strunkenwhite
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lol, the opposite actually tends to happen in nations gripped in a struggle for survival.
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Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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Agent23
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You do realize I can probably just write some javascript to make your posts invisible on the client side, right?
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Megadeath
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You do realise you could just go and type your stupid gibberish in notepad if you're not capable of holding a debate like a grown-up?
There is no evidence of that being the case. I can't find anyone on any side that has at any point thought Russia was sending half a million men at Kyiv.
Alternately, if you look at the rail and and river map you will notice that Kiev is an important choke point, then using that choke point as a staging area for more reinforcements:
If a deblocking or reinforcement force tries to go through those Russian troops could have hit it or the bridges with artillery and missiles, and taken parts of that force as well as damaged the logistics infrastructure.
Congrats, you've explained why holding Kyiv is important for Ukraine. That has no connection to Chiron's "4D chess Wronkski feint double ruse" nonsense.
The western intel that has accurately gauged Russia's intent, tracked their troop movements and numbers, and only really erred by overstating thier capabilities (an error that the Russians also committed, given reports about them expecting to wrap up this whole conflict in a few weeks). What exactly is your standard for good intelligence?
bintananth
behind a desk
Perfect sense. When staff sends a message it needs to be visible to the recipient no matter what.
I fully believe in both your ability and judgement to do something stupid. I leave the decision up to you.
I'm a Democrat. I'm enjoying a debate on The Sietch because @Agent23 and @Chiron are being beaten so badly in the debate. Like, step up your Nazi game people, you don't want people to actually start thinking you're a reasonable debate forum or something, do you?
If these are paid Russian shills and not useful idiots, Russia's wasting its money so badly. You'd think there would be much stronger issues to harp on when the US is bringing back fucking lend lease. Like, just argue we're playing chicken with a nuclear power and need to back the fuck off from a war Russia considers existential or something. It's not hard to make a coherent argument for staying the fuck away, but no, you have to argue that an operation intended to take less than a week relying on collaborators that didn't exist due to the whole bribery operation being embezzled is somehow going as Russia planned.
Almost nobody in the West expected this to happen. It's not surprising Russians didn't either. You generally had either "Russia won't invade, because invasions are super hard and Russia would have trouble" or "Russia will invade and win pretty easily" before the war actually happened. It's not hard to see why Russia didn't expect another corrupt oligarchy with a president who had a 25% approval rating might not be particularly good at a major war. The people who predicted this were both rare and generally disregarded.
If these are paid Russian shills and not useful idiots, Russia's wasting its money so badly. You'd think there would be much stronger issues to harp on when the US is bringing back fucking lend lease. Like, just argue we're playing chicken with a nuclear power and need to back the fuck off from a war Russia considers existential or something. It's not hard to make a coherent argument for staying the fuck away, but no, you have to argue that an operation intended to take less than a week relying on collaborators that didn't exist due to the whole bribery operation being embezzled is somehow going as Russia planned.
Almost nobody in the West expected this to happen. It's not surprising Russians didn't either. You generally had either "Russia won't invade, because invasions are super hard and Russia would have trouble" or "Russia will invade and win pretty easily" before the war actually happened. It's not hard to see why Russia didn't expect another corrupt oligarchy with a president who had a 25% approval rating might not be particularly good at a major war. The people who predicted this were both rare and generally disregarded.
I predicted the invasion and that it would he a fight. Did not think it would be this bad for the Russians though.
Thought they would struggle around the cities for sure. Not this bad though
paulobrito
Well-known member
So, Slovakia degrades their defense system for ...
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Then you must be a neocon, because anyone disagreeing with me falls into these two camps.
And then he whines about how no one wants to talk anime and shit with him.
planefag
A Flying Bundle of Sticks
Lets see how this one ages.
"You see Ivan, we will simply conceal the true size of our very heavily mechanized formations from the E-8C Joint STARS surveillance aircraft, equipped with a Ground Moving Target Indicator designed specifically to spot heavily mechanized formations moving from hundreds of miles away, by invoking the Ghost Of Lenin."
"But what will you do about the RQ-170, which also has a GMTI radar and is stealthed so it can operate far closer to our troops?"
"The Ghost of Stalin."
"And what about the satellites?"
"We will hide using camouflage nets."
"Even from Synthetic Aperture Radar?"
"CYKA BLYAT ENOUGH WITH THE QUESTIONS"
prinCZess
Warrior, Writer, Performer, Perv
In fairness, it seems like the Russian high command invoked the Ghost of the memetic WWII American army as well--nobody knowing what they hell they were doing to such a degree that the enemy wouldn't be capable of knowing either. Thus them not informing officers of invasion plans until the metaphorical last-minute in operational terms and officers informing their soldiers that they're just exercises even up to and potentially beyond the metaphorical last-minute. (The exception being, for some reason, Kadyrov.)
Which, admittedly, the 'mass mob with astounding logistics aimed at the enemy' worked better in a WWII information environment than a 21st-century one...And worked better with the logistics ironed-out/swamped in material to such a degree it could work. And, hell, had Ukrainian defenses collapsed and government yeeted out with the treasury or such as many expected would happen in such a situation (yours truly among them) then...well, Russians wouldn't have needed any of the post one-week logistics or stuff that's bit them in the butt.
Agent23
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Challenge accepted, also the only people making an echo chamber here are those that suck on Elenski/the Blob/the MSM's teat.
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But I totally expect that all the Elenski fanbois to try and mass report this, anyways, since they hate people crashing their MSM-sponsored circlejerk party.
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Twitter Bans Ex-UN Weapons Inspector For Questioning Ukraine Narrative. Retired US Marine Corps officer Scott Ritter was ‘permanently suspended’ by Twitter on Wednesday after he dared to question the offical narrative about whats happening in Ukraine.
newspunch.com
Twitter Bans Ex-UN Weapons Inspector For Questioning Ukraine Narrative
Twitter claims that USMC veteran and former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter violated “targeted harassment” rule
newspunch.com
Twitter Bans Ex-UN Weapons Inspector For Questioning Ukraine Narrative. Retired US Marine Corps officer Scott Ritter was ‘permanently suspended’ by Twitter on Wednesday after he dared to question the offical narrative about whats happening in Ukraine.
Twitter Bans Ex-UN Weapons Inspector For Questioning Ukraine Narrative
Twitter claims that USMC veteran and former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter violated “targeted harassment” rule
A paid shill and a pedo, serves him right. Truly great company for the people who "question the narrative".
Agent23
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Not really news, they have been trying to muzzle him for a good, long while.Twitter Bans Ex-UN Weapons Inspector For Questioning Ukraine Narrative. Retired US Marine Corps officer Scott Ritter was ‘permanently suspended’ by Twitter on Wednesday after he dared to question the offical narrative about whats happening in Ukraine.
Twitter Bans Ex-UN Weapons Inspector For Questioning Ukraine Narrative
Twitter claims that USMC veteran and former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter violated “targeted harassment” rule
The CIA is still butthurt he gave the game away when he protested against them using his weapons inspections as cover.