Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

Terthna said:

In other words, your personal bias against Putin and Russia makes it impossible to convince you of anything that paints them in a positive light, or justifies their actions.

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Is this guy Swedish or something?
Must be butthurt because Peter the Great stuck his mighty Russian hand down the throat of their Empire and turned it inside-out, then used it as a skipping rope.
Glad I blocked him, although the tomboy pics thread was kinda nice.

Agent23 said:

Is this guy Swedish or something?
Must be butthurt because Peter the Great stuck his mighty Russian hand down the throat of their Empire and turned it inside-out, then used it as a skipping rope.
Glad I blocked him, although the tomboy pics thread was kinda nice.

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I am Lakota, Russian bootlicker. And if you blocked me, why do you keep responding to me?

I have an enormous amount of empathy for the people on the ground, regardless of side, but very little for the leadership of either the Ukraine nor Russia. Although increasingly it is looking like the US set the Ukraine up with this entire thing, there are reports that the US deliberately leaked via China that the Ukraine was about to join NATO, that the Ukraine was going for nuclear weapons, etc. Right now, the State Department is objecting to Ukraine wanting to hold bilateral talks with Russia to negotiate a peace settlement, insisting that only the State Department can do so.

Wag the dog, who benefits from all of this? Biden, as now he can blame inflation, energy prices, and everything else on this conflict, thus he needs it to rage on and even expand. And if he can break SWIFT then he has further excuses for the collapse of the economy that his pals in the WEF and the Obama activist crowd desire.

King Arts said:

But but that’s not fair. America would do the same thing if China and Russia tried to get Mexico to join an alliance with them. Wah wah Russia deserves a sphere of influence and empire in east Europe.

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The US tolerated Fidel Castro's rule in Cuba for several decades. What it did not tolerate was Soviet nukes in Cuba. But it was sort-of willing to tolerate Soviet troops in Cuba for several decades. Sort-of.

Val the Moofia Boss said:

Do we have sources of those?

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SchrodingersWehraboo said:

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Freedom Fries and pouring french wine in the sewers, anyone?

That old fatso doesn't really look happy, though, I think he is already missing it.

Vodka is made in Finland, the Baltic countries, Poland, Ukraine, all over Eastern Europe.

In fact, I believe that the Poles got triggered about Raki and those regional food product classifications in the EU and claimed it is Vodka, and that they invented it, because they didn't want it to get the whole EU protected regional origin status or something.

Guess they will have to rebrand theirs as Central European Raki, I guess.

Reject fermented potato juice, drink Raki, instead!

LordSunhawk said:

I have an enormous amount of empathy for the people on the ground, regardless of side, but very little for the leadership of either the Ukraine nor Russia. Although increasingly it is looking like the US set the Ukraine up with this entire thing, there are reports that the US deliberately leaked via China that the Ukraine was about to join NATO, that the Ukraine was going for nuclear weapons, etc. Right now, the State Department is objecting to Ukraine wanting to hold bilateral talks with Russia to negotiate a peace settlement, insisting that only the State Department can do so.

Wag the dog, who benefits from all of this? Biden, as now he can blame inflation, energy prices, and everything else on this conflict, thus he needs it to rage on and even expand. And if he can break SWIFT then he has further excuses for the collapse of the economy that his pals in the WEF and the Obama activist crowd desire.

Stunning Discovery - Evidence Suggests U.S. Intel Baited Russia in December by Telling China Ukraine Was Coming Into NATO - The Last Refuge

Major HatTip to [PTC on Twitter] for finding this article and quote. First, the context: Yesterday, the New York Times reported on U.S. intelligence and diplomatic officials from the State Dept sharing intelligence with Chinese officials in the three months leading up to the Russian invasion...

theconservativetreehouse.com

The First Casualty of War Is the Truth - The Current Western Propaganda for Ukraine Is Epic in Scale - The Last Refuge

When we shared yesterday that all interested observers should be very wary of the information from media sources around Ukraine, there was a reason for that. Question everything. Take nothing at face value. If you have never experienced the propaganda push surrounding war, the totality of the...

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Ukraine and Russia Officials Negotiating a Meeting - Biden Administration Tells Zelenskyy to Stop, Only U.S. Permitted to Negotiate With Russia - The Last Refuge

Amid an intense conflict continuing, the government of Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and the government of Russian President Vladimir Putin are in negotiations for a meeting. However, the U.S. State Department does not want Zelenskyy and Putin to negotiate an end to hostilities. Reuters...

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It's probably the smartest thing he's done since assuming office; he even managed to distract a decent chunk of his opposition with this bullhonky. Though I've got a sneaking suspicion that Obama has more to do with this particular scheme than he does; not that that's difficult, considering I doubt Biden is lucid enough these days to do much more than read a script to a camera, and even that's debatable.

Terthna said:

It's probably the smartest thing he's done since assuming office; he even managed to distract a decent chunk of his opposition with this bullhonky. Though I've got a sneaking suspicion that Obama has more to do with this particular scheme than he does; not that that's difficult, considering I doubt Biden is lucid enough these days to do much more than read a script to a camera, and even that's debatable.

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The guy has dozens of handlers, with each one probably pull him in a different direction.
Also, how much real influence does Obama still have? He was basically the affirmative action preseident IMO.
I know Cammelface is his sort of protege, but the rest of Brandon's cabinet looks like the usual Clintonite/Neocon/Establishmentarian crap.
And Obama IMO had precious little to do with Ukraine.
I think that this is happening because Brandon's circle wants to erase the evidence of their shenanigans in Ukraine and help out their buddies in the military-industrail complex, with some of the permanent bureaucracy in the US wanting to damage EU/Russia, and more specifically Russia/Germany relations.

Agent23 said:

Also, how much real influence does Obama still have?

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More than Biden himself does, I'm fairly certain.

Terthna said:

More than Biden himself does, I'm fairly certain.

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That doesn't say much. Back in the day Obama was denounced as an empty suit, all hope and no substance, a puppet in hands of others, something that his career confirms. So they are basically the same now, Obama because he never had a real influence and Biden because his mind is too gone.

Terthna said:

More than Biden himself does, I'm fairly certain.

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So more than zero, OK.
I still don't see what his angle would be in Ukraine, if anything the situation wasn't something he showed much interest in, and at the time the State Department and the US military were under Clintonite/Neolib and Neocuck control, respectively.

Ah, it’s the wrong thread for this I believe.

Agent23 said:

So more than zero, OK.
I still don't see what his angle would be in Ukraine, if anything the situation wasn't something he showed much interest in, and at the time the State Department and the US military were under Clintonite/Neolib and Neocuck control, respectively.

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Well, the Maidan coup did happen when he was president, and he spent a lot of time in the immediate aftermath badmouthing Ukraine's former government, and propping up the new one. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit.

Marduk said:

Baryaktar videos are beginning to show up.

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Those look like light vehicles surrounded by nothing.

You sure that wasn't a video of that time Obama tried to off Osama and they gave him the controller?

Which reminds me, this conflict is turning into meme gold:




Seperate memes thread, when?

Arlos said:

Ah, it’s the wrong thread for this I believe.

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Well, the USA started all this by supporting a coup, so...

ATP said:

And KGB Russia started blowing up 300 people,invading Czeczenya,killing 100k+ people.Your point? If russians could kill people on their soil,ukrainians could do the same.

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Taliban/AQ-backed insurgency that had open-air slave markets, like other places the USASSR stuck their nose in, like Libya and ISIS-controller Syria.

Chiron said:

Not born out by the actual German Combat deployments. 3 of 4 available Panzer Divisions were at or close to Normandy by D-Day and the bulk of reinforcements and the reserve stocks quickly followed once the landing was confirmed and sucked into fighting the British who took on the bulk of the Panzerwaffe of OB West.

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The only Panzers that reached Normandy on D-Day itself were the 21st Panzer Division. . . which was pretty much annihilated in short order, losing 70 of their 124 tanks. They did prevent the British from taking Caen, but utterly failed to "drive the invasion into the sea". Rommel's other two Panzer divisions, the 2nd and the 116th, were held north of the Seine specifically to respond to Calais, and thus were too far away and out of the equation entirely. The 2nd SS, 9th Panzer, and 11th Panzer were also out of the equation, having been reassigned to Army Group G in southern France. And the four remaining Panzer divisions of Panzergruppe West -- the 1st SS, 12th SS, 17th SS Panzergrenadier and Panzer Lehr -- were held as reserves that could only be released by order of Wehrmacht Supreme Headquarters

Thus, Rommel's fundamental defensive plan of having all ten Panzer divisions in the theater stationed for an immediate and decisive counter-attack was made impossible. While Supreme Headquarters did release the Panzergruppe West reserves, "quickly followed" is totally inaccurate -- the orders came late and 12th SS was the only reserve unit to arrive on D-Day, and even then only the lead elements arrived by nightfall. Despite being one of the first to move, Panzer Lehr was not fully in position until the 9th. 2nd SS was ordered to Normandy immediately, but it too took days to arrive. 17th SS arrived on the 11th, 2nd Panzer on the 12th, 1st SS days after that.

The Panzer divisions were able to inflict significant delays and losses on the Allies, but the war was fundamentally lost to Germany by the afternoon of D-Day.

Chiron said:

15th Army sent much of its strength as reinforcements to Normandy as well. And they kept vital lines of communication open while denying them to the Allies.

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The only Fifteenth Army strength that was present on D-Day was the 711th static division that was already there; two additional divisions of the Fifteenth were mobilized, but as they were not mechanized, they did not arrive in any remotely useful amount of time.

There's a reason Rommell was counting on the Panzer divisions as both mobile reserve and counterforce -- they were the only German units that could move quickly enough to actually do it.

Val the Moofia Boss said:

Even if the Ghost of Kiev isn't real, it's still a cool folk story. We don't have folk heroes anymore.

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What about

I mean technically he already has folk songs dedicated to himself?

I wish Russia a swift and exacting victory. Ultimately the conflict doesn’t mean much but seeing how everyone I don’t like wants Ukraine to win it would be great to see them lose, and would really be good at making the American globalist regime lose face and be embarrassed.

Some fun highlights.




Both sides crying Nazism.




A retarded neocon senator falling for an obviously photoshopped Sam Hyde meme. Also “Ghost of Kiev” is 100% fake to begin with so not that surprising.




Bizarre propaganda push where suddenly everyone stopped spelling Kiev the way it’s been spelled for my entire life.




Richard Spencer and Vaush agreeing on something

FriedCFour said:

Bizarre propaganda push where suddenly everyone stopped spelling Kiev the way it’s been spelled for my entire life.

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It's not a "libtard"" thing and has absolutely nothing to do with Western politics.

The actual name of the city is Київ, and this is not disputed. Kiev was the most common Romanized transliteration of this name in Western print, although it is neither the only nor the oldest transliteration, nor did it ever have any official status. Kyiv is the Romanized transliteration following the national rules for geographic transliteration which were signed into law by Ukraine in 1995. Kiev is regarded as the Russian "version" of the transliteration, even though the Soviet Union never bothered actually formalizing it.