Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Thread

Chiron said:
Pretty clear they intend to sue Kyle and the Police

Kyle needs to sue them first. Kenosha Police should fight the lawsuit as well. The Mayor however should be sued along with the Governor.
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At best, Kyle could sue Huber's estate, which isn't likely worth much and sorta a dick move that won't play well vs a jury.

Meanwhile, although an acquittal is certainly helpful vs wrongful death, a Huber's Estate v Rittenhouse isn't an instant dismissal. They'll certainly can have a lawsuit go to trial if they want to, at which point who knows? The stakes are certainly less, and IDK if you need a unanimous decision for civil trials in Wisconsin.
 
Chiron said:
Pretty clear they intend to sue Kyle and the Police

Kyle needs to sue them first. Kenosha Police should fight the lawsuit as well. The Mayor however should be sued along with the Governor.
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I dont think they can sue, not without their sons love of children coming out and not without looking like monsters for attacking a kid.

Same for the DOJ. Going after Rittenhouse would be how you create a dozen Tim McVeighs

And they've been humiliated enough.
 
Kyle kept his rifle by his side.

God and Jesus did the rest.

Now for the mandatory meme collage to celebrate a rare victory.

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A final warning for the subhuman scum who plan to engage in violent riots once again.
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Abhorsen said:
At best, Kyle could sue Huber's estate, which isn't likely worth much and sorta a dick move that won't play well vs a jury.

Meanwhile, although an acquittal is certainly helpful vs wrongful death, a Huber's Estate v Rittenhouse isn't an instant dismissal. They'll certainly can have a lawsuit go to trial if they want to, at which point who knows? The stakes are certainly less, and IDK if you need a unanimous decision for civil trials in Wisconsin.
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I think the Huber Estate case will fall apart when the defense points out Rittenhouse was retreating towards the cops, and Huber chased him down without knowing much about what had happened, other than the Kyle was armed and people were shouting he shot someone.

Rittenhouse never threatened anyone as he was retreating, he was chased down, and Huber absolutely attempted to inflict bodily harm on Kyle.
 
Bacle said:
I think the Huber Estate case will fall apart when the defense points out Rittenhouse was retreating towards the cops, and Huber chased him down without knowing much about what had happened, other than the Kyle was armed and people were shouting he shot someone.

Rittenhouse never threatened anyone as he was retreating, he was chased down, and Huber absolutely attempted to inflict bodily harm on Kyle.
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Yeah, but that's something for the jury, I'm pretty sure (though they might go for a bench trial, IDK wisconsin law). Obviously, any lawsuit would fail, but it would fail only in the jury room, not in a dismissal ahead of time. And juries can be fickle, especially with a civil trial where: a) stakes are lower, so giving something away isn't seen as that bad, and b) it's preponderance of evidence, not reasonable doubt.
 
Abhorsen said:
Yeah, but that's something for the jury, I'm pretty sure (though they might go for a bench trial, IDK wisconsin law). Obviously, any lawsuit would fail, but it would fail only in the jury room, not in a dismissal ahead of time. And juries can be fickle, especially with a civil trial where: a) stakes are lower, so giving something away isn't seen as that bad, and b) it's preponderance of evidence, not reasonable doubt.
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With Huber, the preponderance of evidence is that he'd never even met Rittenhouse before this happened, was a petty criminal himself, never tried to approach Rittenhouse peacefully, and we have video evidence he tried to assault Rittenhouse when he was killed.

I know people like to compare this to the OJ trial, but there was no self-defense claim there, nor video record of the event(s), and here it is not a question of 'got off on a technicality/cop incompetence' like people had with OJ.

I expect this will be far more like the Sandmann case, where most of the suites and such are coming from Rittenhouse, not aimed at him.
 
Now that I think about it, Kyle executed a perfect example of von Manstein's "backhand blow".

He kept retreating until he was in the correct position and then launched a devastatingly precise attack that annihilated the entire enemy vanguard and sent the remaining enemy troops into full retreat.
 
Bacle said:
With Huber, the preponderance of evidence is that he'd never even met Rittenhouse before this happened, was a petty criminal himself, never tried to approach Rittenhouse peacefully, and we have video evidence he tried to assault Rittenhouse when he was killed.

I know people like to compare this to the OJ trial, but there was no self-defense claim there, nor video record of the event(s), and here it is not a question of 'got off on a technicality/cop incompetence' like people had with OJ.

I expect this will be far more like the Sandmann case, where most of the suites and such are coming from Rittenhouse, not aimed at him.
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Hmm, I think we are talking past each other.

I agree that Rittenhouse deserves to not be found liable. But I think there's a decent chance (say 1/4?) that he is found liable by a Huber-sympathetic jury, because what you are talking about are factual disputes that will be sent to the jury, who might be sympathetic.
 
Abhorsen said:
Hmm, I think we are talking past each other.

I agree that Rittenhouse deserves to not be found liable. But I think there's a decent chance (say 1/4?) that he is, because what you are talking about are factual disputes that will be sent to the jury, who might be sympathetic.
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Finding an un-tainted jury for that sort of case would be a challenge in itself, and I do not think a bench trial is likely to find him liable.
 
The problems with a lawsuit against Kyle is that Rosenbaum and Huber’s families as well as Gage don’t have anything to lose or even have to spend any money. They’ll have a team of 20 lawyers who normally work for $1000 each working pro bono who don’t care about winning, just hurting Rittenhouse. I don’t think you can sue the families of the dead and Gage doesn’t have money to make it worth it. Rittenhouse can’t even raise money on Go Fund Me and his lawyers are going to want some kind of payout.

Also, civil suits don’t have a presumption of innocence or double jeopardy - people with money and power have far more advantages.

Keep in mind that the people who oppose us have all of the money and power, they can easily hound people into bankruptcy without worrying about money.
 
Bacle said:
I know people like to compare this to the OJ trial, but there was no self-defense claim there, nor video record of the event(s), and here it is not a question of 'got off on a technicality/cop incompetence' like people had with OJ.

I expect this will be far more like the Sandmann case, where most of the suites and such are coming from Rittenhouse, not aimed at him.
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1. OJ should have won anyway as the Police Planted Evidence as proven in the criminal trial and all civil claims should have been barred as a matter of law. It also shits on the notion of Double Jeopardy.

2. Kyle absolutely must sue all of them. No mercy.
 
Bacle said:
And the other shoe dropped:
www.independent.co.uk

Judiciary chair wants DOJ to review Rittenhouse verdict: ‘A miscarriage of justice’

Nadler, Biden responses show divide among white Democrats over handling of race
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

Nadler is calling it a 'miscarriage of justice' and wants a 'federal review' of the verdict.

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Oh, and now Kamala is implying that result means 'there is a lot more work to do' on the justice system.
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Well, to be fair. We all know that Kamala hates letting innocent men free, black or white.
 
I've been seeing posts on Reddit and elsewhere that basically amount to the below meme playing out. So many wannabe revolutionaries whining that they won't feel safe '''''protesting''''' anymore, or about how their lives and those of their murderous, thieving friends are worth more than any amount of property. As if they deserve to feel an ounce of comfort while they're going around burning businesses to the ground, looting everything that isn't nailed down and kicking unconscious people in the head for daring to protest against their '''''protests'''''.

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Well fuck all of them, I hope Rittenhouse's latest victory makes them think twice about the next time they want to riot or fantasize about putting all their enemies in gulags. But I guess we'll find out whether that's true starting tonight, been seeing screengrabs of these human-shaped trashbags howling 'No Justice No Peace' in NYC and organizing mostly peaceful protests in other blue hives across the country.
 
Bacle said:


More ammo for defamation suites.
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Well, not that. She's really just expressing a personal opinion. That small clip at least. And I want to touch upon part of what she said, because it goes to the heart of why they're upset; the next time one of these riots happen, a lot of rioters might end up getting shot by everyday civilians. It's why that DA went after that one couple literally defending their home; they wanted to send a message that you are not allowed to defend yourself. They wanted a chilling effect. They couldn't have everyday people standing up against mobs.

Rittenhouse's trial had the opposite effect. Because for his personal foolishness, his trial is a major victory for the second amendment. Because now in the minds of all Americans, they know they have a right to defend their property and shoot rioters. And now anyone who does decide to riot and assault people will keep in mind what will happen if people with guns show up. They can shoot you. You will die. And they will go on with their lives.
 
The Original Sixth said:
Well, not that. She's really just expressing a personal opinion. That small clip at least. And I want to touch upon part of what she said, because it goes to the heart of why they're upset; the next time one of these riots happen, a lot of rioters might end up getting shot by everyday civilians. It's why that DA went after that one couple literally defending their home; they wanted to send a message that you are not allowed to defend yourself. They wanted a chilling effect. They couldn't have everyday people standing up against mobs.

Rittenhouse's trial had the opposite effect. Because for his personal foolishness, his trial is a major victory for the second amendment. Because now in the minds of all Americans, they know they have a right to defend their property and shoot rioters. And now anyone who does decide to riot and assault people will keep in mind what will happen if people with guns show up. They can shoot you. You will die. And they will go on with their lives.
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Oh, that clip alone won't do her in.

It's all the other shit she did before hand that will land her in court facing a defamation case.

Hopefully everyone who tried to tip the scales against Rittenhouse, up to and including Biden himself, end up paying through the nose for their lies and attempts to influence the outcome of the case.
 
Bacle said:
Oh, that clip alone won't do her in.

It's all the other shit she did before hand that will land her in court facing a defamation case.

Hopefully everyone who tried to tip the scales against Rittenhouseup, up to and including Biden himself, end up paying throw the nose for their lies and attempts to influence the outcome of the case.
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I don't think they'll get much out of Biden. I seriously doubt he even remembers the whole affair. There's so many ways the White House can shield him, it's not funny. No, better to go after the media. They're the ones claiming to be legit news outlets. What they did was absolutely slander.
 
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