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No, gender dysphoria the condition has nothing to do with how you or I define gender. What matters is how the person with dysphoria sees their body matching up with how their body actually looks.

Basically, if you had someone who delusionally thought they had red hair, a cure would be dying it. It doesn't matter afterwards if the hair is actually blonde, as long as the do the proper dye routine, their self image will match the image they see in the mirror.
If you believe you're a redhead and dye your hair red to match, more power to you if that makes you happy.

You're still not actually a redhead. You have simply modified your hair to make it look red. It still doesn't grow red.

Wearing a red wig doesn't make you a redhead.
 
If you believe you're a redhead and dye your hair red to match, more power to you if that makes you happy.

You're still not actually a redhead. You have simply modified your hair to make it look red. It still doesn't grow red.

Wearing a red wig doesn't make you a redhead.
Sure, but it 100% doesn't matter if you consider the person a redhead or not, what it is an actual cure (not a complete one, but about as good as can be expected) to one's haircolor dysphoria.

AKA we humor their delusion, and then they get to demand that we change bathroom laws and everything else to conform to a T/non-binary bullshit narrative.
Just like we warn epileptics about flashing lights and force companies to build wheelchair ramps.

Of course, I'm a libertarian who views using government to enforce any of these laws as wrong, but if one buys into some, bathrooms follow. Although bathrooms are more extreme, having a unisex single bathroom for trans people wouldn't be.

As for non-binary, they maybe have minor GD, if they aren't trending. So just treat them the same way you would a Trans person, except recommend other therapy than transitioning.
 
Sure, but it 100% doesn't matter if you consider the person a redhead or not, what it is an actual cure (not a complete one, but about as good as can be expected) to one's haircolor dysphoria.


Just like we warn epileptics about flashing lights and force companies to build wheelchair ramps.

Of course, I'm a libertarian who views using government to enforce any of these laws as wrong, but if one buys into some, bathrooms follow. Although bathrooms are more extreme, having a unisex single bathroom for trans people wouldn't be.

As for non-binary, they maybe have minor GD, if they aren't trending. So just treat them the same way you would a Trans person, except recommend other therapy than transitioning.
See. When they realize that they aren't really a redhead, they can let the hair grow out and go back.

But when they realize they aren't really a man and they've already fundamentally changed their body with hormones and has surgeries to remove body parts....too late. There's a 42% chance they won't be worrying about it for too much longer though.

Now, if the argument was "this is the best we've got for now," I'd be more accepting of it. However, the position tends to be "this is how it is and looking into how to fix the brain is bigoted youttransphobe!"

So yeah, I have some problems with it.
 
...so it's their fault for dying from HIV and AIDS is it? A pair of diseases not well understood in their time, and if anything seem to have been mostly unleashed by the "free love" of the 1960s.

Right.

And the religious right remain utterly shocked as to why no one takes them seriously anymore...

HIV is a sexually-transmitted disease. It was known to be a sexually transmitted disease in the 80's, but the LGBT activists and leftist 'allies' insisted that government money be spent by the Reagan to find a cure for the disease. And then they relentlessly attacked him as being homophobic/whatever else.

Even though government money was spent, just not as much as they wanted.

Now, let's be clear. There is already a 99%+ reliable way of dealing with the AIDS problem. Don't have sex with people who are HIV positive. Even better, be monogamous, but you don't actually have to go that far to do so. While this will not be a cure for people who currently have it, it will stop it from spreading, and would basically wipe it out within a generation.

There are other diseases, which people do not have a choice in whether or not they contract or develop, which are also in need of cures. Why should we preferentially dedicate funding to curing a disease that already has a reliable method for being dealt with?

Now, if you want to give your money to a research project for HIV treatment, by all means. I might even do so myself, some day, though I'm not exactly a wealthy person. It's certainly a field of research worth pursuing, especially on behalf of those who (through contaminated blood transfusion or other rare means) are infected through no fault of their own. I certainly do not begrudge treatment for those who do have it on their own fault either.

But people who lived highly promiscuous lives, then got infected with an STD, especially one as deadly and expensive to treat as HIV, are not owed by society public money to protect them from the consequences of their own actions. That is correctly the domain of private charity and the like.

This is not 'hateful,' this is truthful. Rewarding people for bad behavior is not loving, it is evil.

No, gender dysphoria the condition has nothing to do with how you or I define gender. What matters is how the person with dysphoria sees their body matching up with how their body actually looks.

Basically, if you had someone who delusionally thought they had red hair, a cure would be dying it. It doesn't matter afterwards if the hair is actually blonde, as long as the do the proper dye routine, their self image will match the image they see in the mirror.

This is not a 'cure,' this is rejecting reality and substituting the fantasy. In this case, it's relatively harmless, because hair can easily be re-dyed or replaced.

The kind of treatments given for 'transitioning?' Puberty blockers can and do cause lifelong health problems. Hormone therapy screws up your hormonal balance like crazy, unsurprisingly. Cutting off fully-functional body parts and grafting on non-functional facsimiles of the other gender's reproductive organs?

That violates the rule of 'first, do no harm.'

There are extremely rare cases of what used to be called 'intersex,' people who are genuinely born with extra chromosomes, or crazy hormone imbalances that result in them having sexual characteristics of both genders. People in those circumstances have some difficult decisions to make, and I do not envy them that position.

But the overwhelming majority of 'trans' people do not have any of those conditions. They're simply channeling their discontent with life into the delusion that if they were the other gender, they'd be happy. Indulging that delusion hurts them, it does not help them.
 
Basically, if you had someone who delusionally thought they had red hair, a cure would be dying it.
No, that is not a cure, that is a treatment. Not even a particualrly good treatment, it is the type of treatment you use when you have given up on a cure, it is hospice care.
So no homosexuality is a choice you don't have to stick your dick in another man's ass, or let another man stick his dick in your ass.
Indulgence is a choice. Some will argue that that the feeling itself is not a choice, but there is more nuance to that. Sexuality is not an edifice cast in stone, it is an subconscious behavior just like walking or breathing. Subconscious behaviors can be trained, however it is extremely difficult. Furthermore it is incredibly easy for social interactions to prevent classical conditioning. If the cure to gay is to simply train it away, then even a few ad by LGBT groups on the radio can render the treatment completely ineffective. Subconscious behaviors are dynamic but very difficult to control.
 
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Just gonna toss this out there....
 
It fixes the mental issue in the sense that the issue is "My fundamental self image of my body is female, but I look into the mirror and don't see that'. The problem exists between what your body physically is and what you know it should be. I've met a Trans man who absolutely hated his boobs, and couldn't wait to get rid of them, for example. Given the limitations on what psychology can do, removing the breasts is actually doable, and then there is no dysphoria, as your body image matches your actual image.
Except I doubt that will actually solve her problem. Instead, she may well come to regret it, whether she accepts that she is a woman or not in the end, simply because she will have the scars there as a constant reminder of how her body has been mutilated, or at least as a sign of how she is not actually a man and never can be. This is why reassignment surgery really ought to be banned.
 
The hard lesson is that it is very, very bad for humanity when we permit communities that incubate and spread blood-borne diseases. So long as we permit them, we can expect more of the same -- new diseases we must fight, and old diseases made resistant to our best medicines.
Society has the right, based on the common good, to impose standards of hygiene on communities whose self-regulated standards of hygiene are not up to the level necessary to curb the spread of disease. Is that an accurate description of the principle you're invoking?
 
If you saw a teenage boy cutting up his own face with a knife, you might be inclined to think he is mentally ill and try to stop him or get help.

There is also the fact that regardless of the political/religious opinions one may have about it, it is an objective fact that transitioning is a medical operation being performed under close guidance of health care professionals under extremely stringent professional guidelines.
 
Society has the right, based on the common good, to impose standards of hygiene on communities whose self-regulated standards of hygiene are not up to the level necessary to curb the spread of disease. Is that an accurate description of the principle you're invoking?
Oh my, isn't that the loaded question?

When society has centuries of proof, yes.
When society has skeevy profiteers clamoring about how hygienic they are, no.
 
There is also the fact that regardless of the political/religious opinions one may have about it, it is an objective fact that transitioning is a medical operation being performed under close guidance of health care professionals under extremely stringent professional guidelines.

Then why did John Hopkins, the first hospital to start performing gender-reassignment surgery, stop doing so under the conclusion decades later that it wasn't actually constructive?
 
Then why did John Hopkins, the first hospital to start performing gender-reassignment surgery, stop doing so under the conclusion decades later that it wasn't actually constructive?

That's not accurate. The Gender Identity Clinic at Johns Hopkins was closed in 1979 under the leadership of a Catholic psychologist who was opposed to transgender rights, but was reopened in 2017. It's fair to say that Dr. McHugh still holds to that conclusion -- unlike some, he's open and honest about the fact that he *disagrees* with the overwhelming professional consensus on this matter -- but not to claim the imprimatur of Johns Hopkins.

Also, note that McHugh's 1979 argument was secondhand -- his 'conclusion' cited an unnamed researcher's unpublished study, which McHugh claimed to have personal access to, which found that post-operative trans patients had few instances of regret and were content with transitioning, but that transitioning had produced "little change" in relationships, work, and emotional issues. In other words, he didn't actually argue that it "wasn't constructive", but that it didn't appear to improve patient outcomes enough, in his subjective opinion, to justify an experimental treatment.
 
...so it's their fault for dying from HIV and AIDS is it? A pair of diseases not well understood in their time, and if anything seem to have been mostly unleashed by the "free love" of the 1960s.

Right.

And the religious right remain utterly shocked as to why no one takes them seriously anymore...

Yes, actually it was for the most part for the particular LGB people who died from it, at least after the disease became more documented in the early to mid eighties. See a lot of gay communities went ham on bathhouse culture and did everything they could to protect themselves and took it seriously...Others legitimately saw HIV as a point of pride, as something brave and stunning and to know someone who died from the disease became a form of social clout.

Those depraved groups as much of a minority within a minority as they may have been, absolutely deserved it.

Bug Chasers are monsters.


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Well that was really taken out of context.

You know what else fit's that criteria? Lobotomies on retards, electrocshock therapy on depressed people and castrating people with autism and schizophrenia.

..Yeah I'm gonna say SRS is a human rights travesty ala what another poster suggested and part of me hopes Doctors who do it will one day face a Nuremberg style trial where they will be forced to answer for their exploitation of the unwell.

The only rs happening at all is we have allowed medicine to get fast and loose. Re-assignment surgery is still an experimental treatment despite all of the political backing it has. If it were held to any stricter standard than an experimental treatment, it would never pass.

The most successful recipient of which, later killed himself because his benefactor was a depraved Groomer who made him fuck his own brother.
 
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The most successful recipient of which, later killed himself because his benefactor was a depraved Groomer who made him fuck his own brother.

That is a completely inaccurate and inflammatory way of presenting it. He was in no way a "successful recipient" of gender transition in the first place, the circumstances were entirely different from a trans person, the treatment protocol was completely different from that applied to a trans person, and while the treatment was certainly disturbing and highly abusive, it *did not* involve actual sex.
 
Isn't HIV and AIDS only transferable certain bodily fluids?
Is that why Lesbians are less likely to have it over Gay men?
 
That is a completely inaccurate and inflammatory way of presenting it. He was in no way a "successful recipient" of gender transition in the first place, the circumstances were entirely different from a trans person, the treatment protocol was completely different from that applied to a trans person, and while the treatment was certainly disturbing and highly abusive, it *did not* involve actual sex.

This is basically a cope, also it's heinous of you to try AKKSHUALLY someone being forced to have simulated sex with his own sibling..that is rape..period.

"It totally wasn't rape! It was just simulated rape!" Good lord scust.png

He was a guinea pig for an agenda, was raped (As the Groomers are want to do) and then died after rejecting his horrible mutilation. None of this stopped the lionization of the poor man's misfortune nor the insanity was kind of the foundation of the grotesquerie we are now forced to remain silent and witness done on our lost brothers and sisters or else face death from negligence, deplatforming and murder.

It is evil, a cure should have been developed in the form of neurocorrective medication and therapies..not..violent enabling for profit and idealogical reasons.

Isn't HIV and AIDS only transferable certain bodily fluids?
Is that why Lesbians are less likely to have it over Gay men?

Less bodily fluids and more a question of damage... IIRC the most common method of transmission from sex is penetrative because the tip of your dong can actually get scuffed up and end up microscopic abrasions which is an easy way to spread it. If that's actually the case.

Mind ye, I don't see why a woman with minor scuffs in her gums couldn't get it from oral sex with an HIV positive partner...maybe the odds are lower?
 

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