Neoreacshunary Kat Sez - NRx Memes And Stuff

I am well aware that there are many prominent Jews in the front lines of progressive organizations around the world. This was also the case during the 1917 Soviet revolution.

I believe it generally has to do with the Jewish cultural tendency to prosper economically, therefore paving their way into the economic elites of many countries. And elites and rich kids of all ethnicities and religions tend to be more receptive to progressive and Marxist ideas. That's how Jews end up over-represented in these circles.

I've never seen a convincing argument that Judaism and progressivism are genuinely tied together somehow. Hell, I don't think I ever saw any convincing evidence that Jews are a cohesive driving force behind these ideas, beyond being over-represented in their ranks. Any such argument would invariably lean on bullshit neo-Nazi claims, "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" style.

Ironically the people pushing this "white genocide" are... White people.
 
Human history: worse about reboots then even Hollywood. I think the purpose of that particular doctrine was just war on terror propaganda though.

That particular doctrine was originally about securing American WASP support for the establishment of Israel and the ending of national origin immigration limitations targeted at Jews from the Pale of Settlement (Ukraine, Belarus, Eastern Poland).

It was then repurposed to support the Neocon New American Century agenda after 9-11.
 
I'm trying to figure out whether this is specifically targeted at me or not.

It's not. My post wasn't, anyway.

But as GoldRanger said, that this meme specifically raises all sort of alarm bells. It's no different from how you'll find arguing about how ethno-nationalist states shouldn't exist, but for some strange reason Israel is the only country they target with that attack.

People on the Left/Liberal side of politics tend to be masters of the Universal Moral Principle that they bring up only when it helps them argue for what they want on other grounds... and just seem to forget about when it doesn't.

I'm sure that has nothing at all to do with the massive double standard of ethnonationalism for Israel always but never ever for anyone else.

Same sort of doublethink.

I never got people's obsession with establishing "pure" Isreal to be perfectly honest. That covenant was fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross.

Amen!
The realistic case for why Jews as a people need a country of their own is the same as why any other nation does. It doesn't really need a special spiritual argument.

I am well aware that there are many prominent Jews in the front lines of progressive organizations around the world. This was also the case during the 1917 Soviet revolution.

I believe it generally has to do with the Jewish cultural tendency to prosper economically, therefore paving their way into the economic elites of many countries. And elites and rich kids of all ethnicities and religions tend to be more receptive to progressive and Marxist ideas. That's how Jews end up over-represented in these circles.

I've never seen a convincing argument that Judaism and progressivism are genuinely tied together somehow. Hell, I don't think I ever saw any convincing evidence that Jews are a cohesive driving force behind these ideas, beyond being over-represented in their ranks. Any such argument would invariably lean on bullshit neo-Nazi claims, "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" style.

Well, my personal take on that question is that Marxist-style revolutionary ideology is most attractive to those who are least happy with the existing society. And an atheistic "Secular Jew" living in a Western country would be alienated both from the surrounding society, due to his upbringing telling him his own people are something special and different and always getting persecuted, and from his own people, due to his rejection of the religious beliefs on which their identity largely depends.
Such people are prime targets for recruitment to the cause of The Revolution. They would also probably be among the first to be disposed of if and when the Communists actually took power.
 
I believe it generally has to do with the Jewish cultural tendency to prosper economically, therefore paving their way into the economic elites of many countries. And elites and rich kids of all ethnicities and religions tend to be more receptive to progressive and Marxist ideas. That's how Jews end up over-represented in these circles.

That is my guess as well.

I've never seen a convincing argument that Judaism and progressivism are genuinely tied together somehow. Hell, I don't think I ever saw any convincing evidence that Jews are a cohesive driving force behind these ideas, beyond being over-represented in their ranks. Any such argument would invariably lean on bullshit neo-Nazi claims, "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" style.

Most arguments I have seen rely on, as you have pointed out, confusing correlation with causation.
 
Well, my personal take on that question is that Marxist-style revolutionary ideology is most attractive to those who are least happy with the existing society. And an atheistic "Secular Jew" living in a Western country would be alienated both from the surrounding society, due to his upbringing telling him his own people are something special and different and always getting persecuted, and from his own people, due to his rejection of the religious beliefs on which their identity largely depends.
Such people are prime targets for recruitment to the cause of The Revolution. They would also probably be among the first to be disposed of if and when the Communists actually took power.

You're correct, but it's more than that. They're also the ideal scapegoats. The Revolution (TM) can safely hide behind them, waving the Jews around the Revolution's (TM) detractors as convenient targets of attack and hate when their policies inevitably piss people off.

They're useful patsies.
 
You're correct, but it's more than that. They're also the ideal scapegoats. The Revolution (TM) can safely hide behind them, waving the Jews around the Revolution's (TM) detractors as convenient targets of attack and hate when their policies inevitably piss people off.

They're useful patsies.

I really wish people would stop using us as sheilds for their own bad behavior and stop using our dead relatives for political points.
 
I really wish people would stop using us as sheilds for their own bad behavior and stop using our dead relatives for political points.
I agree. That said, I really wish so many Jews stop falling for supporting ideologies that promise us the stars but end up hurting us in the end.

Zionism was supposed to help with that, give Jews the identity and security in their own power and ability to protect themselves that would prevent them from falling into these traps. Not surprising that the latest incarnation of Marxism is so opposed to Zionism.
 
I agree. That said, I really wish so many Jews stop falling for supporting ideologies that promise us the stars but end up hurting us in the end.

Zionism was supposed to help with that, give Jews the identity and security in their own power and ability to protect themselves that would prevent them from falling into these traps. Not surprising that the latest incarnation of Marxism is so opposed to Zionism.

We live in the world as it is and not as we wish it to be.
 
I am well aware that there are many prominent Jews in the front lines of progressive organizations around the world. This was also the case during the 1917 Soviet revolution.

I believe it generally has to do with the Jewish cultural tendency to prosper economically, therefore paving their way into the economic elites of many countries. And elites and rich kids of all ethnicities and religions tend to be more receptive to progressive and Marxist ideas. That's how Jews end up over-represented in these circles.

I've never seen a convincing argument that Judaism and progressivism are genuinely tied together somehow. Hell, I don't think I ever saw any convincing evidence that Jews are a cohesive driving force behind these ideas, beyond being over-represented in their ranks. Any such argument would invariably lean on bullshit neo-Nazi claims, "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" style.

If anything, since Torah-derived Jewish culture is directly opposed to progressivism, over-representation demonstrates how easily wealthy elites betray their heritage and/or culture for what is fashionable among the elite.
 
They won multiple battles before they started using her for propaganda. In between the Agincourt and Orleans, La Brossniere and Bauge were clear French victories along with couple of resisted sieges.
But never have such victory like Patay,where her orders made victory possible.
 
Okay, I skimmed the thread. The reason the meme says the person flees to Israel is clearly to imply that disloyal Jews are behind the machinations that ruin society, and said Jews meanwhile free themselves of the consequences of their actions by fleeing to the place they're "really" loyal to. Textbook antisemitism.

In case of Poland - reality.After 1945 polish bandits,including those who helped germans,become commies,but they lacked brains for anything more then removing nails from prisoners.
Soviets need smart leaders - and found them mostly in jews.Where they co-ruled till 1968,when party removed them from power.Becouse there were enough smart polish traitors then to rule over us.
Most leave Poland and start taking bullshit about how bad poles hurt them,when in fact they were among removing nails,not their polish victims.
And those which go to Israel become jews again,even if before they were polish communists with new polish names.
 
In case of Poland - reality.After 1945 polish bandits,including those who helped germans,become commies,but they lacked brains for anything more then removing nails from prisoners.
Soviets need smart leaders - and found them mostly in jews.Where they co-ruled till 1968,when party removed them from power.Becouse there were enough smart polish traitors then to rule over us.
Most leave Poland and start taking bullshit about how bad poles hurt them,when in fact they were among removing nails,not their polish victims.
And those which go to Israel become jews again,even if before they were polish communists with new polish names.
Poland has always suffered from extreme anti Semitism, there were pogroms there well before the Nazis, and when the Nazis did come they gleefully and willingly aided them in gathering Jews in concentration camps, with a mere handful of notable exceptions.

We already argued over this in the past, so I'm not inclined to argue with you. You go ahead keep swallowing your revisionist Polish propaganda, buddy.
 
Poland has always suffered from extreme anti Semitism, there were pogroms there well before the Nazis, and when the Nazis did come they gleefully and willingly aided them in gathering Jews in concentration camps, with a mere handful of notable exceptions.

We already argued over this in the past, so I'm not inclined to argue with you. You go ahead keep swallowing your revisionist Polish propaganda, buddy.

??? then why you answered ?
And what nazis? they were germans.
What pogroms before germans? care to find one real,not soviets work like Kielce 46?
And which police gathered jews to send them to their death,polish or jewish? jewish,and jews made list of jews and their property,too.

We do not need propaganda,we have facts.When are you have is jewish Haggada.
 
Poland has always suffered from extreme anti Semitism, there were pogroms there well before the Nazis, and when the Nazis did come they gleefully and willingly aided them in gathering Jews in concentration camps, with a mere handful of notable exceptions.

We already argued over this in the past, so I'm not inclined to argue with you. You go ahead keep swallowing your revisionist Polish propaganda, buddy.

its not fair to judge a nation by its traitors.
 
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its not fair to judge a nation by its traitors.

To be honest,after 1956 more and more poles betrayed and become commie,so now we have maybe 20% of population who betray Poland for anybody who pay them.
Fools like Merkel,Putin or Nathaniahu think that those creatures are theirs - but they would betray them for anybody stronger.
Sad thing - we are worst people then we were in 1939,becouse best ended in mass graves,and worst become "elites".
 
Read what I wrote again instead of throwing out of the gate.
1) Concept of nanny state is a modern construct. Welfare programs =/= nanny state, because most welfare programs in the past were not run by the state. They were run by religious institutions such as temples and the Church. Nor are welfare programs only characteristic of a nanny state. Nanny state includes not only welfare, but specifically governmental interference into personal decision-making: such as mandatory public schools, overregulation of products (especially stuff which can be produced by families - such as agricultural produce), hyperproduction of legislature, attempts at regulating discourse (e.g. "protection" from "hate speech") and so on.
2) As I have pointed out, state-run welfare programs are merely an inferior substitute for services which were earlier provided by the extended family and the religious institutions.
) Concept of nanny state is a modern construct.

This isn't true. Rome had subsidized grain sold to the public in the city of Rome since the 3rd century BCE.
That eventually became just a straight free grain dole during the last century of the Republic, then was expanded during the imperial age.
The Emperor vespasian instituted the Alimenta system which started with free schooling for the children of the poorest citizens. Later during the Antonines the Alimenta system was expanded further to include money directly to these citizens, which were literally became a welfare system. Trajan later created orphanages (an innovation in the Ancient world that would take centuries after the fall of the Western empire to exist in some form again).
Similar things existed in other cities at the time, albeit not with a civil bureaucracy and institutions that the Romans had. The reason this isn't common knowledge is because while Classical studies were a mandatory subject in higher education for centuries, it wasn't known until the the Renaissance. If you went to college it was required to get a degree, but the classical liberal education (nothing to do with liberal vs conservative, just liberal arts) is essentially a niche area of study now.
 

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