good thing I'm not on the left or using their standards. Lots of them are racists too.
The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer
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StormEagle
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I don’t honestly give a shit about race. I care about ideology and shared values.
Leftist whites have pretty much put to bed any claims of superiority over the other races, and I’d more easily embrace a reactionary black man, as long as he isn’t a black separatist that thinks I should be killed, than I would a leftist white.
Leftist whites have pretty much put to bed any claims of superiority over the other races, and I’d more easily embrace a reactionary black man, as long as he isn’t a black separatist that thinks I should be killed, than I would a leftist white.
DocSolarisReich
Esoteric Spaceman
Then what is a "white supremacist" then, because I am not clear.
I literally pointed out self claimed white supremacists.
If you're marching around with swastikas and torches or wearing shirts that say things like "6MWE," you can go kill yourself, for all I care. You'd be doing the right, and the country in general, a favor.
DocSolarisReich
Esoteric Spaceman
So neonazis. Can we just say neonazis then?
Naaah, that's not a term broad enough to condem the Right too.
There's more than just neonazis, that was just my most obvious example.
But I don't actually condone going and hunting down white supremacists or anything, because it's too easy to change your Definitions, like the left does.
DocSolarisReich
Esoteric Spaceman
The right will always be labelled as 'nazi' because the post war neoliberal consensus is based on the myth of the 'good war'. As long as the right cares more about 'not being nazis' than 'not being commies' they will lose.
What makes you think I want to condemn the right, when last election I voted republican down ticket and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future?
No, I want quite the opposite. I want the right to clean up it's image and appeal to the mainstream more. I want the right to WIN.
That means speaking up against and denouncing the racists in our midst.
(No not going on a killing spree or anything)
A clear and simple definition of "white supremacist": a person who believes that due to inherent traits people with less melanin in their skin are systematically and biologically superior to those with more melanin in their skin. This may (or may not) include believing that society and government should be organized to favor and/or disfavor people based upon the level of melanin present in the skin.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
The left didnt win by appealing to the mainstream. They won by creating a body of theory, by pushing a dialectic until they had enough power in the institutions to force their agenda on everyone.
The left controls the terms of respectibility. If you try and appeal to those terms, you are fighting your battles on their terrain. "calling out racists" will just allow you to be endlessly salami sliced, because the left controls the defination of racist. The proper strategy is to deconstruct the concept of racism itself and to show strict solidarity.
If you think you're better than others because of the color of their skin, you can go fuck yourself for all I care.
I'm not accusing you of such, btw. Don't confuse my harsh language and think it's directed at you because of my use of the word "you." I'm not claiming you personally are a racist.
I'm not playing the left's definition game with racism. I'm talking about outright, plain and simple racism.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
Then what you need to do is create a new vocabulary and theory to describe what you mean. Using thier words gives them power. Create your own words and force them to use them.
DocSolarisReich
Esoteric Spaceman
Everyone should believe his own people are better and more valuable than other peoples, that's just natural, normal, and healthy in group preference.
"My own people" can include blacks, whites, asians, etc, so long as we share common values.
We have perfectly good words for these things and I will not let the left dictate my vocabulary just because they like to try to redefine words.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
They do dictate your vocabulary because they control the definition. Those definitions control the terms of debate and way you think.
To change that you attack thier words and create new words and new definations to describe things, words and definitions you control.
DocSolarisReich
Esoteric Spaceman
Sure, but that's a decision you make for yourself, no one has the right to claim another people as his own or to force others to accept strangers.
Fair enough. If your acceptance, or lack thereof, is based on the color of their skin, I don't like you and I believe the world is better off without you.
StormEagle
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I feel like we’ve really derailed from the point of this thread.
Maybe we should have a mod split this off into its own thing, because this really has little to do with media.
Paging @S‘task since he’s the administrator currently here.
Edit: Why isn’t the @ function working with S’task name?
Maybe we should have a mod split this off into its own thing, because this really has little to do with media.
Paging @S‘task since he’s the administrator currently here.
Edit: Why isn’t the @ function working with S’task name?
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