Breaking News Trump Impeachment 2: Electric Boogaloo

strunkenwhite said:
There is no need to wait for a charge. As soon as a crime has been committed (or, I'd argue, as soon as an action has been taken that a person could potentially be prosecuted, rightly or wrongly, over), a pardon can be issued.

Yeah, I think we could use a fair amount more willingness to prosecute high level politicians. Some people worry about going too far in the witch hunt direction but I think most nationally famous politicians can scrounge up good representation one way or another.
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But he did nothing wrong anyway
 
Zachowon said:
But he did nothing wrong anyway
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Let's say someone kills someone in self-defense. I would argue that the president could say "I pardon you for any and all crimes related to killing Freddy Krueger" even though it was self-defense (unless, I argue, he was the one who killed Freddy Krueger in self-defense). Maybe that's not how it works and you need a crime to be alleged, but I am not aware of such.
 
strunkenwhite said:
Let's say someone kills someone in self-defense. I would argue that the president could say "I pardon you for any and all crimes related to killing Freddy Krueger" even though it was self-defense (unless, I argue, he was the one who killed Freddy Krueger in self-defense). Maybe that's not how it works and you need a crime to be alleged, but I am not aware of such.
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As far a I know. A crime has to be committed and they have to be at least Charged with a crime
 
Zachowon said:
As far a I know. A crime has to be committed and they have to be at least Charged with a crime
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Naturally, a pardon is normally issued when there is some belief that a crime has been committed. But I don't think there has to be certainty on this topic. And if for example a prosecutor was getting ready to press charges against someone I'm quite sure the pardon doesn't have to wait for the process to get going before it can be validly issued. Logically, then, said prosecutor doesn't even have to exist for the same pardon to be issued.
 
strunkenwhite said:
Naturally, a pardon is normally issued when there is some belief that a crime has been committed. But I don't think there has to be certainty on this topic. And if for example a prosecutor was getting ready to press charges against someone I'm quite sure the pardon doesn't have to wait for the process to get going before it can be validly issued. Logically, then, said prosecutor doesn't even have to exist for the same pardon to be issued.
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Pardoning himself would be admitting he committed crimes.

He didn't, so what is there to pardon?
 
Typhonis said:
Looks like if we do want justice we need to reform the FBI and Justice department along with the Judicial branch.
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Easier then one thinks. You just let the old guard die off, then they slowly get replaced by more and more right leaning people
 
LordsFire said:
I'm sorry, but that's overconfident. Leftists have a strident tendency towards only hiring like-minded people once they have enough control of an organization.
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They also have a very strnuent hiring process, and it isnt easy. At a certian point they will have to stop turning down right leaning people if they want the numbers
 
strunkenwhite said:
So do you take the position that a president can legitimately pardon himself? I don't. I admit scholars seem divided on the question, but the very concept is an assault against equality under the law—I know, it's mangled often enough already, but explicitly giving the POTUS the power to be above the law anytime he's unscrupulous enough to exercise said power ... well, I have a higher opinion of our founding fathers than that. Happily, there's a technical argument as well as a "this is obviously a terrible idea" argument.
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So is impeaching a president who's no longer in office, but that didn't stop the Democrats from going through with it anyways. At this point, the rules don't matter anymore; all that matters is power. Equality under the law is dead.
 
LordsFire said:
You think that leftist bureaucrats won't fudge qualifications in order to make sure the 'right people' end up in power?
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Yes. Because they arnt willing to have a team of HRT members that cant keep up with SF.
They cant have analysts that can tell the backside of a barn from a car.
 
LordsFire said:
I hope you're more correct than I am.

With what's in the DC center of organizations like the FBI, evidence leads me to believe things are worse, not better.
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DoD orgs are a good example of you hire based on merit, and asdjust if a bad one gets through
 
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