Basileus_Komnenos
Imperator Romanorum Βασιλεύς των Ρωμαίων
Exactly! Hence the reason why people rallied around Trump. He may be bombastic and crass, but he was a massive protest vote to the GOP elites which ignore the will of its voter base.
Breaking News Time Magazine openly admits to a bi-partisan, elite lead rigging ("fortifying") of the election
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f1onagher
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It's not trust so much as perspective. I called them spin machines for a reason, I just like to be aware of what the spin is. Time boasting about this should warrant some sort of disclaimer or evasion, but I'm seeing nothing.
It's important for both sides of this argument to recognize that Trump is not the source or catalyst of the recent political turns. He was merely the one man who identified the surge in populist frustration and harnessed it for his own campaign. Without him, the populist anger is still extant and now off the leash. Mark my words, before 2030 the likes of Colbert and Maddow will openly pine for the good old days of Trump.
Basileus_Komnenos
Imperator Romanorum Βασιλεύς των Ρωμαίων
They do this every election cycle. I still remember how much everyone used to lampoon George Bush Jr, McCain, and Romney only to then praise them as "principled conservatives" when Trump made his debut, and later when they denounced him.
The talking points about Biden being senile initially came from the left during the Democrat primaries. Biden was called a racist by Kamala Harris on national TV. And then when Trump started using it in his campaign they tried desperately to cover for him.
to be fair to the left its easy to see George W bush, Mc Cain and Romney as principled when you dont have any principles of your own.
She also said she believed the assault claims against him from women.
Speaking of that, Biden is supporting reversing Trump's changes to title IX to make it easier for colleges to punish people with rape charges. Back toward "believe all women."
You know...standards that could be used to find HIM guilty.
Fuck'em. They can beg for mercy when the time comes, they won't get any.
I can't believe this highly relevant story hasn't been posted yet in regards to 'fortifying' the election, which is totally legitimate and not even comparable to allegations of 'rigging' an election.
babylonbee.com
Unless of course... this article was already posted and I'm just ig'nint.
Casino Claims Slot Machines Aren't Rigged, Just 'Fortified'
LAS VEGAS, NV—"The house always wins," the saying goes. Many people feel the games and machines in Las Vegas are rigged so you can't ever really come out on top. But one casino boss is insisting that the games aren't actually rigged -- they're just "fortified."
babylonbee.com
Unless of course... this article was already posted and I'm just ig'nint.
Look, I'm as tired of the old Establishment GOPers not holding firm, but this is blatantly false. If anything, the opposite is true, the Establishment GOP has even moved to the right on many issues. Take gun control, for instance, in 1990, it was acceptable for Establishment GOPers to be pro-gun control and gun control had wide bipartisan support. Today? Everyone in the GOP establishment has to be pro-2nd Amendment.
Another similar area is abortion. The Republican party has been consistently pro-life at the establishment level since the 1970s when they adopted the pro-life plank, but they allowed a lot of individual variance, and while they officially still do allow more individual variance (to allow Rs more competitive options at district level) the Democrat position of 20-30 years ago allowed there to be Pro-Life Democrats (to the point where the Casey of "Planned Parenthood vs. Casey" was the DEMOCRAT governor of PA who was seeking to restrict abortion in that state) but now? They are explicitly called to be excised from the party.
When you look on an issue-by-issue basis, the Republican party of 30 years ago and the establishment Republicans of today are widely unchanged on most issues, and those issues they HAVE changed on they've not moved left on, but rather moved to the right. Tax policy they've remained unchanged. Slimming the federal bureaucracy, unchanged. Trade policy, unchanged (in point of fact, the big shift in trade policy has been with the DEMOCRATS moving towards the old Republican position, while it's the populist Republicans, not the establishment ones, that have been shifting more towards the old Democrat positions).
The idea that the Republicans have moved to defend old Democrat politics is simply not born up by the actual facts. And people really need to stop repeating that line because it's similar to the idea that the media like to claim that there wasn't any difference between Ds and Rs in the 00s to 10s years, which was patently absurd then and still absurd today.
Is the R establishment perfectly and consistently Conservative? No, absolutely not. But they are a lot more consistent on their positions than the Dems have been over the last 30 years and the areas they have issues with they have been slowly awakening to. And there's seriously no actual policy positions from 20-30 years ago from the Democrats that the establishment Republicans actively hold.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
You're not wrong, but the GOP are absolutely terrible at advancing the agendas they've been so consistent in pushing, in comparison to their opponents in the Democrat party; it's not out of the question to assume at this point that, perhaps, at least some of that failure was intentional on their part. The Republicans talk a big game; but when it comes down to putting up or shutting up, they've proven more likely to do the latter than the former.
Honestly we need to do a thread on the analysis of "Establishment" Conservatives in the United States and what they did or didn't do these past fifty years or so and whether it was a Principle of Conservatism or promoted Conservatism or boosted the Left or something because this comes up in like a plethora of threads. If only to save S'task the trouble of repeating himself in thread after thread. 
Largo
Well-known member
Forget illegal. Nothing admitted to in the article is unusual or odd. How's this any different from the Lincoln Project or any other partisan anti-Trump group which did stuff to oppose Trump?
LindyAF
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Well, for one thing, they actually did something and had an impact, which isn't something you can say about the Lincoln Project.
Largo
Well-known member
According to themselves, they had an impact. The Lincoln Project would say the same thing about themselves.
When's the proof that the Democrats funded Antifa and BLM with Chinese money gonna come out then?
Because that's sure going to be funny as hell watching the secession of various states and the their declaration of the Donald as their president.
I hope Canada also undergoes a regime change pretty soon. The "potato" in charge of my country is rotten to the core, stinking up the place, and in dire need of instant replacement.
Because that's sure going to be funny as hell watching the secession of various states and the their declaration of the Donald as their president.
I hope Canada also undergoes a regime change pretty soon. The "potato" in charge of my country is rotten to the core, stinking up the place, and in dire need of instant replacement.
LindyAF
Well-known member
The Lincoln Project, despite getting $60 million dollars didn't manage to even prevent Trump from increasing his share of the Republican vote. Entire thing was just grift. Although since this time the neocons were grifting off the libs instead of us, I'd think it was funny if it wasn't for the pedo shit.
In all seriousness though, the article itself describes "the secret history of the 2020 election" as something that "sounds like a paranoid fever dream." I understand that for you this may just be how the sausage gets made, but most of the right does not think of "Our Democracy"(tm) as something managed by "an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans."
As far as specifically what's admitted here that we'd like to think is unusual,
"More than 150 liberal groups, from the Women’s March to the Sierra Club to Color of Change, from Democrats.com to the Democratic Socialists of America, joined the “Protect the Results” coalition. The group’s now defunct website had a map listing 400 planned postelection demonstrations, to be activated via text message as soon as Nov. 4. To stop the coup they feared, the left was ready to flood the streets."
Hard to imagine this doesn't also involve BLM Global Network, which is funded through Thousand Currents, which had a vice chair who was convicted for activities she participated in with a left wing organization that carried out armed robberies and bombed federal buildings, or "Refuse Fascism", which is a rebranding of the organization that used to call itself the "Revolutionary Communist Party, USA."
But hey, I guess for a party whose last president launched his senate campaign in Bill Ayers living room, maybe those connections are all business as usual too.
Or how about the US Chamber of Commerce and AFL-CIO having an intermediary that both refuse to name?
Or how about that "the media organizations that would be calling the election" were using info they called "tremendously useful" supplied by left wing activists?
Also, as others have pointed out, many of these "disinformation defense" meetings took place in 2019, before the pandemic had even begun in China, well before it was clear that mail in voting was going to be widespread.
Money is fungible, so never, even if they did, which IMO isn't particularly likely. There's enough rich left wing people in the US to fund the left.
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Largo
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I'd argue that says more about your understanding of democracy, especially as Madison envisioned it. Factions getting together and working together for a common purpose is not even remotely new. It's a part of not just democracy, but of any political system which you can care to imagine. Fascist, communist, monarchical.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Conservatives (at least politically), by their nature, are pathologically afraid of rocking the boat too much. This makes them practically helpless in the face of slow burn leftism. It's a problem throughout the Western World.