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Lord Sovereign said:
Given that it's in 9ABY...you don't think they might be setting things up for a tweaked Heir to the Empire scenario, do you?
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Given how uninventive they are with shamelessly ripping off of the Old EU, it certainly would not surprise me. On the other hand, given how badly the OT cast were treated, especially Luke and Han, I also wouldn't put it past them to fuck up either.


Edit: and given Falloni is involved, I doubt he'll be able to resist having his super-duper speshel original character from doing it. It's not like he's gotten my respect given how little he cared about the old Clone Wars timeline before he mucked it up. As for Rebels and whatever the heck the series they did set in the Disney Triology era, I was unimpressed to say that least.
 
DarthOne said:
Given how uninventive they are with shamelessly ripping off of the Old EU, it certainly would not surprise me. On the other hand, given how badly the OT cast were treated, especially Luke and Han, I also wouldn't put it past them to fuck up either.


Edit: and given Falloni is involved, I doubt he'll be able to resist having his super-duper speshel original character from doing it. It's not like he's gotten my respect given how little he cared about the old Clone Wars timeline before he mucked it up. As for Rebels and whatever the heck the series they did set in the Disney Triology era, I was unimpressed to say that least.
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I mean the clone wars like every other aspect in syar wars had a mucked up timeliness
 
DarthOne said:
Not pre-TCW. It had a very solid and clear timeline of events and characterization.
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Uh....It was always a hassle because there was a lot going on in a short amount of time. TCW tied a lot of things together, and left plenty of other areas to fill in as well. Everything took place at some point and did not mess up with other parts that much
 
Zachowon said:
Uh....It was always a hassle because there was a lot going on in a short amount of time. TCW tied a lot of things together, and left plenty of other areas to fill in as well. Everything took place at some point and did not mess up with other parts that much
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Bull. Shit. TCW made a complete mess of things, with characterizations that contradicted what came before and after, the timeline is a complete fucking mess. Look no further than what they did to poor Bariss for a great example of both! As for 'too much happening at once' in the old timeline, it was a big galaxy and characters could be tied down in places for months in sieges or the like.
 
DarthOne said:
Bull. Shit. TCW made a complete mess of things, with characterizations that contradicted what came before and after, the timeline is a complete fucking mess. Look no further than what they did to poor Bariss for a great example of both! As for 'too much happening at once' in the old timeline, it was a big galaxy and characters could be tied down in places for months in sieges or the like.
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And people wwrre still able to move around and do a lot.
Bariss is one example. You may be able to sya the same for cline characters except we never see every battle. We never see every little thing that went on. Plenty of shit happend in universe that contradicts a lot all over!
 
Zachowon said:
And people wwrre still able to move around and do a lot.
Bariss is one example. You may be able to sya the same for cline characters except we never see every battle. We never see every little thing that went on. Plenty of shit happend in universe that contradicts a lot all over!
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The war lasted for 3 years; and just because characters could be tied down in sieges, that doesn't mean they always were. Also, it would make a lot of sense in Anakin (and by extension Obi-Wan's) case as Palpatine probably would have tried to keep him out of situations that might be too threatening.

And just because we 'didn't see every little thing' we saw enough to make it abundantly clear that TCW simply does not fit in with the established Clone Wars lore. Also, while continuity issues might have existed during the Clone Wars time period they were much smaller than the ones TCW introduced to it and created.

As for evidence, here's a half-hour's worth of some!



Also, in Season 1, the episode "Grievous' lair", it is shown that General Grievous was a warrior that gradually replaced his own bodyparts with cybernetics. He, himself, calls them 'upgrades' in the same episode. This is completely contradictory to the original Grievous backstory as a Kaleesh warrior that was crippled by Count Dooku, and forced into a cybernetic body by the Banking Clan in order to fight again.
 
DarthOne said:
The war lasted for 3 years; and just because characters could be tied down in sieges, that doesn't mean they always were. Also, it would make a lot of sense in Anakin (and by extension Obi-Wan's) case as Palpatine probably would have tried to keep him out of situations that might be too threatening.

And just because we 'didn't see every little thing' we saw enough to make it abundantly clear that TCW simply does not fit in with the established Clone Wars lore. Also, while continuity issues might have existed during the Clone Wars time period they were much smaller than the ones TCW introduced to it and created.

As for evidence, here's a half-hour's worth of some!



Also, in Season 1, the episode "Grievous' lair", it is shown that General Grievous was a warrior that gradually replaced his own bodyparts with cybernetics. He, himself, calls them 'upgrades' in the same episode. This is completely contradictory to the original Grievous backstory as a Kaleesh warrior that was crippled by Count Dooku, and forced into a cybernetic body by the Banking Clan in order to fight again.
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Again, legends had so much contradictory stuff that wasn't all of it....I am a huge fan of that era, and honestly TCW helped bring a large population of younger audiences to star wars. Sorry if it did not fit. Just like Karen Traviss mandos did not fit
 
Zachowon said:
Again, legends had so much contradictory stuff that wasn't all of it....I am a huge fan of that era, and honestly TCW helped bring a large population of younger audiences to star wars. Sorry if it did not fit. Just like Karen Traviss mandos did not fit
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And I'm not talking about all of Star Wars Legends, I'm talking about the Clone Wars era. Even then, the 'hiccups' in Legends canon have been greatly exaggerated, usually by people who are pushing the Disney canon.

That TCW drew more of an audience into the Clone Wars era does not excuse its many failings. Especially since it would have been quite easy to tell stories in that era that tied into or expanded upon the existing lore instead of bulldozing over it.
 
DarthOne said:
And I'm not talking about all of Star Wars Legends, I'm talking about the Clone Wars era. Even then, the 'hiccups' in Legends canon have been greatly exaggerated, usually by people who are pushing the Disney canon.

That TCW drew more of an audience into the Clone Wars era does not excuse its many failings. Especially since it would have been quite easy to tell stories in that era that tied into or expanded upon the existing lore instead of bulldozing over it.
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Would it? I get it, parents will spend money on kids, but how many kids that like a show are willing to read books to learn more? Think of it from a marketing stand point.
 
Zachowon said:
Would it? I get it, parents will spend money on kids, but how many kids that like a show are willing to read books to learn more? Think of it from a marketing stand point.
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You underestimate kids. And building off of or keeping in line with established lore doesn't mean 'you need to read the books/comics to understand what's going on'. At least not when that sort of thing is done right.
 
DarthOne said:
You underestimate kids. And building off of or keeping in line with established lore doesn't mean 'you need to read the books/comics to understand what's going on'. At least not when that sort of thing is done right.
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You sure about that? There was plenty of more lore about Quinlan Voss, yet besides the few other star wars needs i knew, no one cared as much.

I was literally a child and grew up on TCW. Only because I am the kind of kid to do research I did. And at that point I didn't have a phone or internet a lot at my house when it first came out. So I looked it up at school.
I was a reader as a kid. Most kids I was friends with that liked SW wernt. They just liked the movies comics and shows. Never played anything but Lego star wars.
 
Navarro said:
The most logical fallout of the ST is some kind of galactic dark age.
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Skallagrim said:
Everybody's fucked up all their credibility. All governments have been wrecked. All noted leaders are dead. A divided galaxy is indeed the natural result.
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prinCZess said:
The Empire is no more, the New Republic--once considered the new hope of galactic governance has been torn by division and deception from within, and extremist holdouts have slaughtered millions using weapons of mass destruction and engineered plagues.
All you need is a loss of hyperspace communications and what do you get?

'Star Wars Dark Age'
*shudder*
It's as if multitudes of Battletech fans also interested in Star Wars suddenly screamed out in horror at once.
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Not to mention the Warhammer 40,000 fans....though I suspect some of them would eagerly be writing (possibly one-sided) crossovers.

Husky_Khan said:
Since I'm watching Andromeda now...

"The long night has come. The Galactic Republic, the greatest civilization in history, has fallen. Now one ship, one crew, have vowed to drive back the night and rekindle the light of civilization. On the Star Destroyer Chimera... hope lives again." - Grand Admiral Thrawn
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Skallagrim said:
The ironic thing is that given the realities of such a period, a man like Thrawn would genuinely be a good guy. Without suddenly changing his personality to make him "good". If the galaxy is torn to shreds, and chaos is the norm... a no-nonsense leader with a battleship is precisely what you want. It sure beats the pirates who come to rape and pillage every other Tuesday!
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I'd read/watch the HELL out of that story.

...could be good fanfiction territory if you can get someone who can write Thrawn well.
 
Zachowon said:
You sure about that? There was plenty of more lore about Quinlan Voss, yet besides the few other star wars needs i knew, no one cared as much.

I was literally a child and grew up on TCW. Only because I am the kind of kid to do research I did. And at that point I didn't have a phone or internet a lot at my house when it first came out. So I looked it up at school.
I was a reader as a kid. Most kids I was friends with that liked SW wernt. They just liked the movies comics and shows. Never played anything but Lego star wars.
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...you didn't watch the video I posted, did you? Because if you had, you'd see a fair chunk of pre-TCW Clone Wars lore WAS in comics or video games. As for the books and so on, if they didn't want to read those for more information, that's their loss.

Also, you are completely missing the point I made in the last post.
 
DarthOne said:
...you didn't watch the video I posted, did you? Because if you had, you'd see a fair chunk of pre-TCW Clone Wars lore WAS in comics or video games. As for the books and so on, if they didn't want to read those for more information, that's their loss.

Also, you are completely missing the point I made in the last post.
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The point i am making is the same argument I make with what people want in the ST.
You have to be able tonappeal to a general audience. Focus to much on one or the other is horrible. Perhaps it fuckwd up the lore? So what? It gained more fans then a series that had included consistent stuff would have. Kids want to see the main characters mostly.ghey want to focus on it. They don't care about things they have to read. Hell I know people that have only seen the movies and TV shows and did not understand references for fans of the EU.
 
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Zachowon said:
The point i am making is the same argument I make with what people want in the ST.
You have to be able tonappeal to a general audience. Focus to much on one or the other is horrible. Perhaps it fuckwd up the lore? So what? It gained more fans then a series that had included consistent stuff would have. Kids want to see the main characters mostly.ghey want to focus on it. They don't care about things they have to read. Hell I know people that have only seen the movies and TV shows and did not understand references for fans of the EU.
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And if you don't have a setting with overall consistency, people won't get any sort of satisfaction in the story or plot. Also, again, one can make something that honors and is in line with established lore without making it difficult to understand and so forth. That is what separates the likes of shallow cash grabs that make a few bucks and long-running franchises that last for DECADES.

Also, trying too hard to appeal to 'the general audience' by making everything dumbed down is what got Star Wars into this mess with the Disney Trilogy. Which were themselves rip-offs of the original trilogy, with a side order of Joss Wheton-style 'humor' and stealing off of Dark Empire aka one of the most contentious stories in the Star Wars EU.
 
DarthOne said:
And if you don't have a setting with overall consistency, people won't get any sort of satisfaction in the story or plot. Also, again, one can make something that honors and is in line with established lore without making it difficult to understand and so forth. That is what separates the likes of shallow cash grabs that make a few bucks and long-running franchises that last for DECADES.

Also, trying too hard to appeal to 'the general audience' by making everything dumbed down is what got Star Wars into this mess with the Disney Trilogy. Which were themselves rip-offs of the original trilogy, with a side order of Joss Wheton-style 'humor' and stealing off of Dark Empire aka one of the most contentious stories in the Star Wars EU.
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Abrams is Abrams. He is horrible with most things.
Appealing to the general audience generally means decent story good fights. Something RoS never had. Its biggest issue. Every one hated it even general audiences.

You can complain all you want about how TCW messed things up! And? So what? In the end it boosted star wars at the time when it was on a down hill decline. Because no major movies, a single series and a few games in development, some stuck in hell. The show was made to appeal to kids. Main new character? A tween girl. Main aspect? It was Star Wars show!

When the movie and the series came out in 2008 and I think 09 ot 10. CW era stuff had only been out for what..6 7 years? Even then a lot was still focused in after it. Sure you had games like Republic Commando, but what other major clone wars things that were big name came out before TCW? Excluding the non canon CW show
 
Zachowon said:
Abrams is Abrams. He is horrible with most things.
Appealing to the general audience generally means decent story good fights. Something RoS never had. Its biggest issue. Every one hated it even general audiences.

You can complain all you want about how TCW messed things up! And? So what? In the end it boosted star wars at the time when it was on a down hill decline. Because no major movies, a single series and a few games in development, some stuck in hell. The show was made to appeal to kids. Main new character? A tween girl. Main aspect? It was Star Wars show!

When the movie and the series came out in 2008 and I think 09 ot 10. CW era stuff had only been out for what..6 7 years? Even then a lot was still focused in after it. Sure you had games like Republic Commando, but what other major clone wars things that were big name came out before TCW? Excluding the non canon CW show
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