China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

[LordsFire]

I would point out that this is not a new thing but a longstanding paradox in the American mindset: when the government imprisons someone, they are by definition responsible for the health of that person in a way that they are *not* responsible for free citizens. As a result, the government is generally viewed as having a much more strict obligation to provide food, shelter, and medicine to convicts in prison than it does for citizens in general. This is why it's philosophically not necessarily the government's problem when a homeless person freezes to death in the cold, but it is the government's problem when a convict dies in prison. A free citizen bears bottom line responsibility for their own well-being; a convict does not precisely because they are not free.

In addition, there's the practical consideration that prisons are a close contact situation where social distancing is not possible. If they're not prioritized in vaccine distribution, you get absolutely horrible epidemic outbreaks which are then spread to the outside community by the prison staff being infected too. Unless you're willing to basically imprison the staff as well, and that's going into some seriously fucked up territory.

You have a point or two here about the government having specific responsibility to prisoners they don't to common citizens, but you're also showing some ignorance.

First off, most prisoners are not in high-threat populations. Not a lot of 76+'s in prison.

Second off, if the concern was actually outbreaks in the prison spreading to the rest of the community via the prison staff, you'd vaccinate the staff, not the prisoners.

Third off, if the staff are the only vectors for the disease to get into the prison, then vaccinating them is the best way to protect the prisoners as well.

Under no circumstances does it make sense to prioritize low-risk prisoners for treatment over the general public.



Now, all of that said, given how long ago the 9/11 attacks were, it's possible this character is old enough to be high threat. That, however, begs an entirely new question.

Why the hell hasn't he been executed?

IIRC, isn't this supposed to be the guy who actually conducted the local planning for the whole damn thing?

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Now, all of that said, given how long ago the 9/11 attacks were, it's possible this character is old enough to be high threat. That, however, begs an entirely new question.

Why the hell hasn't he been executed?

Because he's a Gitmo prisoner. The United States has been completely unyielding about, "Gitmo prisoners have no right to trial", but has also been squeamish about executing any of them *because* of said lack of trials.

Second off, if the concern was actually outbreaks in the prison spreading to the rest of the community via the prison staff, you'd vaccinate the staff, not the prisoners.

Third off, if the staff are the only vectors for the disease to get into the prison, then vaccinating them is the best way to protect the prisoners as well.

The problem is that it's far too late to quarantine the prisons, and vaccination of the staff alone wouldn't be sufficient to produce herd immunity.

Under no circumstances does it make sense to prioritize low-risk prisoners for treatment over the general public.

Prisoners who would otherwise be only low to medium risk are fairly high risk due to enforced close contact, especially when prison overcrowding is factored in.

 

[Zachowon]

I would point out that this is not a new thing but a longstanding paradox in the American mindset: when the government imprisons someone, they are by definition responsible for the health of that person in a way that they are *not* responsible for free citizens. As a result, the government is generally viewed as having a much more strict obligation to provide food, shelter, and medicine to convicts in prison than it does for citizens in general. This is why it's philosophically not necessarily the government's problem when a homeless person freezes to death in the cold, but it is the government's problem when a convict dies in prison. A free citizen bears bottom line responsibility for their own well-being; a convict does not precisely because they are not free.

In addition, there's the practical consideration that prisons are a close contact situation where social distancing is not possible. If they're not prioritized in vaccine distribution, you get absolutely horrible epidemic outbreaks which are then spread to the outside community by the prison staff being infected too. Unless you're willing to basically imprison the staff as well, and that's going into some seriously fucked up territory.

Trust me I know that first hand

You have a point or two here about the government having specific responsibility to prisoners they don't to common citizens, but you're also showing some ignorance.

First off, most prisoners are not in high-threat populations. Not a lot of 76+'s in prison.

Second off, if the concern was actually outbreaks in the prison spreading to the rest of the community via the prison staff, you'd vaccinate the staff, not the prisoners.

Third off, if the staff are the only vectors for the disease to get into the prison, then vaccinating them is the best way to protect the prisoners as well.

Under no circumstances does it make sense to prioritize low-risk prisoners for treatment over the general public.



Now, all of that said, given how long ago the 9/11 attacks were, it's possible this character is old enough to be high threat. That, however, begs an entirely new question.

Why the hell hasn't he been executed?

IIRC, isn't this supposed to be the guy who actually conducted the local planning for the whole damn thing?

Because he's a Gitmo prisoner. The United States has been completely unyielding about, "Gitmo prisoners have no right to trial", but has also been squeamish about executing any of them *because* of said lack of trials.



The problem is that it's far too late to quarantine the prisons, and vaccination of the staff alone wouldn't be sufficient.



Prisoners who would otherwise be only low to medium risk are fairly high risk due to enforced close contact, especially when prison overcrowding is factored in.

Gitmo, where the GOV doesn't want to kill them because they didn't have a trail and don't want an outrage by some one some where.
They stay there u til they die of old age, get released in exchange, or happen to be one if the few they end up killing.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

To be fair, a fair number of the Gitmo detainees have been held on little or no evidence, and some of the procedural stonewalling that the United States has engaged in is entirely ridiculous -- to wit, "We concede that there's no evidence this individual was actually radicalized, but since we've been detaining him he's probably radicalized against us now." or "This guy is actually innocent and actually should be released, but since he's from a region in active conflict, we don't deem it *safe* to release him there. On the other hand we totally refuse to grant him residence in the United States, so he's just going to have to continue to be detained indefinitely."

 

[ATP]

Few people in Poland died from vaccine - so we have joke now,that if somebody had cancer,get CV and died,then he died from CV,but if somebody get vaccine,later CV and died,it certainly was no CV fault.

 

[Zachowon]

Few people in Poland died from vaccine - so we have joke now,that if somebody had cancer,get CV and died,then he died from CV,but if somebody get vaccine,later CV and died,it certainly was no CV fault.

Are you sure it was the vaccine?

 

[ATP]

Are you sure it was the vaccine?

People was eldery,but when eldery with CV die,media says that CV killed him.So,when people after vaccine died with CV,they must be treated as vaccine victim - becouse clearly it not worked.

 

[LordsFire]

Prisoners who would otherwise be only low to medium risk are fairly high risk due to enforced close contact, especially when prison overcrowding is factored in.

Getting the coronavirus is not the risk that matters, or that I meant. Having a high risk of dying of it is what I meant.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Free vaccines and India’s humanitarian diplomacy

India is leveraging its manufacturing heft by embarking on humanitarian diplomacy u2014 the supply of free vaccines to countries in its extended neighborhood.

www.japantimes.co.jp

Thoughts on vaccine diplomacy?

 

[Arch Dornan]

Rep. Stephen Lynch Tests Positive for COVID-19

U.S. Rep. Stephen Lynch, D-Mass., has tested positive for COVID-19, his office announced Friday. Lynch, who had already received both doses of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine, was tested for the virus after a staff member in his Boston office tested positive earlier in the week. The congressman...

www.nbcboston.com

The vaccine's do nuthin?

 

[Zachowon]

Rep. Stephen Lynch Tests Positive for COVID-19

U.S. Rep. Stephen Lynch, D-Mass., has tested positive for COVID-19, his office announced Friday. Lynch, who had already received both doses of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine, was tested for the virus after a staff member in his Boston office tested positive earlier in the week. The congressman...

www.nbcboston.com

The vaccine's do nuthin?

It takes four weeks after the second one for it to take effect

 

[Planchar]

It takes four weeks after the second one for it to take effect

Slight correction. It is one week after the second dose to reach max efficacy. This guy tested positive 9 days after his second dose. So it is likely he got infected within that 7 day window

 

[Arch Dornan]

Not doing so well?

 

[Captain X]

On the black market, no doubt.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Not doing so well?

It wasn't the Trump Administration's fault when state governments couldn't keep track of the vaccine doses they were entrusted with, and it isn't the Biden Administration's fault either. If the states continue to be unable to get their act together, that might be a compelling argument to set up a federal vaccination program instead of using state and local resources, but that's not a change to be made lightly, nor can it be implemented instantly.

 

[Arch Dornan]

It wasn't the Trump Administration's fault when state governments couldn't keep track of the vaccine doses they were entrusted with, and it isn't the Biden Administration's fault either. If the states continue to be unable to get their act together, that might be a compelling argument to set up a federal vaccination program instead of using state and local resources, but that's not a change to be made lightly, nor can it be implemented instantly.

Low information citizens won't realise that.

 

[Husky_Khan]

World War Two veteran Captain Sir Thomas Moore, popularly known as 'Captain Tom', famously helped raise over forty million dollars in the United Kingdom in the run up to his 100th Birthday for Coronavirus related charities. His efforts resulted in him being Knighted by the Queen and his birthday being celebrated with flybys from the Royal Air Force and British Army and receiving over 150,000 birthday cards.

‘Pray for Tom’: UK’s record fundraiser Captain Moore in hospital with COVID

Prime Minister Boris Johnson was among a host of well-wishers from Britain and beyond willing record-breaking fundraiser Captain Tom Moore to pull through after the centenarian was admitted to hospital with COVID-19.

www.reuters.com

Recently however he was diagnosed with the WuFlu and has been hospitalized.

 

[Husky_Khan]

World War Two veteran Captain Sir Thomas Moore, popularly known as 'Captain Tom', famously helped raise over forty million dollars in the United Kingdom in the run up to his 100th Birthday for Coronavirus related charities. His efforts resulted in him being Knighted by the Queen and his birthday being celebrated with flybys from the Royal Air Force and British Army and receiving over 150,000 birthday cards.

‘Pray for Tom’: UK’s record fundraiser Captain Moore in hospital with COVID

Prime Minister Boris Johnson was among a host of well-wishers from Britain and beyond willing record-breaking fundraiser Captain Tom Moore to pull through after the centenarian was admitted to hospital with COVID-19.

www.reuters.com

Recently however he was diagnosed with the WuFlu and has been hospitalized.

He passed away yesterday due to Coronavirus and Pneumonia.

Obituary: Captain Sir Tom Moore, a hero who gave a nation hope

The Army veteran who raised millions for NHS charities during the coronavirus pandemic dies at 100.

www.bbc.com

 

[Arch Dornan]

Covid-19: EU unprepared for vaccine production, delivery challenges, says von der Leyen

European Commission president fails to explain why Article 16 of North protocol was cited

www.irishtimes.com

EU bureaucracy's a bitch it's pissing off the Irish.



Smug Farage.

 

[ATP]

I forget about Africa.If CV was real pandemy,not slighty worst common flu,Africa would be dying now.Instead people there still die mostly from malaria nad AIDS.