Worm WORM/Parahumans: Explaining, Discussing, Complaining. Lets do one or another!

Bear Ribs

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Honestly it's the same reason many fanfic authors are shit. It let's you write a story that let's you take powers or people from other settings and put them in some other place and play around with it. It's also why Familliar of Zero had a lot of stories just have Louise summon something other than Saito. Also why on QQ stupid company stories are so common. I like crossovers but when you have fucking game mechanics from some other place to make you broken it's just too much. Come up with some original concepts, same also applies to ROBS.


INOs?
Inoperative?
In Name Only.

Like those stories where Harry Potter changes his name to Hadrian, discovers he actually has amazing ancient magic spells, and Dumbledore and all the Weasleys except Ginny are pure cosmic evil so Harry proceeds to kill absolutely every named male in the setting and take all the girls for his harem. Basically, the only thing the character has in common with the original story is their name, and in no few cases they wind up changing their names too.
 

ParadiseLost

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What I want to know is, why is Worm the thing that so many people are obsessed over that it needed its own Creative Writing subforum? It's nothing special; and outside of Spacebattles and Spacebattles adjacent communities, relatively obscure.
Because it has top tier world building, a bunch of interesting characters, and it has some really great villains you can set up against your SI/version of Taylor: the Empire, Lung, Slaughterhouse 9, Coil, the Echidna, the Endbringers, Scion.

No matter what you want the stakes to be, the story can flex to what you want to write about.

You've also got the pre-existing dynamics of Brockton to work with, and even just how your SI/version of Taylor fucks with the status quo can be a lot of fun.

Honestly, Worm has innately more fanfic potential than 99.9% of fiction.
 

49ersfootball

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Because it has top tier world building, a bunch of interesting characters, and it has some really great villains you can set up against your SI/version of Taylor: the Empire, Lung, Slaughterhouse 9, Coil, the Echidna, the Endbringers, Scion.

No matter what you want the stakes to be, the story can flex to what you want to write about.

You've also got the pre-existing dynamics of Brockton to work with, and even just how your SI/version of Taylor fucks with the status quo can be a lot of fun.

Honestly, Worm has innately more fanfic potential than 99.9% of fiction.
Top tier Building ?
 

Bear Ribs

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What even is worm? I've seen it mentioned a lot but I have no idea what it's suppose to be.
An extremely long web serial novel involving superheroes. It's very meandering, dark, and pretty much built around everything being bad all the time. If I had to sum it up entirely, it would be "The ends justify the means, but the road to hell is still paved with good intentions so life is going to be shit for everybody no matter what you do." It strongly follows Rationalist Fic tropes.

There's really no clear story arc and it gets increasingly repetitive as it goes on. It does have rather vivid characters and great interactions early on, though the worldbuilding is nonsensical and the author's fetish for making everything as grimdark as possible grinds the worldbuilding badly with its continuous diabolus ex machina.

It has a strong start and then falls apart more and more the longer it drags, and it drags a freakin' lot (equivalent to a book over 7,000 pages long). Unsurprisingly nearly every fanfic is an alt power that covers that strong start and then dies when it gets past those initial events where the story begins to decay. It's notable that very few fanfics actually capture Worm's feel, most are far more upbeat and positive, usually having a alt-power to make things happier when runs completely counter to Worm's initial themes where good powers don't go to good people and vice versa.

The story got hugely signal-boosted when Eliezer Yudkowsky, author of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, gave it rave reviews so if you like that sort of writing it will be right up your alley.
 

ParadiseLost

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An extremely long web serial novel involving superheroes. It's very meandering, dark, and pretty much built around everything being bad all the time. If I had to sum it up entirely, it would be "The ends justify the means, but the road to hell is still paved with good intentions so life is going to be shit for everybody no matter what you do." It strongly follows Rationalist Fic tropes.

There's really no clear story arc and it gets increasingly repetitive as it goes on. It does have rather vivid characters and great interactions early on, though the worldbuilding is nonsensical and the author's fetish for making everything as grimdark as possible grinds the worldbuilding badly with its continuous diabolus ex machina.

It has a strong start and then falls apart more and more the longer it drags, and it drags a freakin' lot (equivalent to a book over 7,000 pages long). Unsurprisingly nearly every fanfic is an alt power that covers that strong start and then dies when it gets past those initial events where the story begins to decay. It's notable that very few fanfics actually capture Worm's feel, most are far more upbeat and positive, usually having a alt-power to make things happier when runs completely counter to Worm's initial themes where good powers don't go to good people and vice versa.

The story got hugely signal-boosted when Eliezer Yudkowsky, author of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, gave it rave reviews so if you like that sort of writing it will be right up your alley.
I disagree with pretty much everything you have to say here, but this isn't a Worm thread so I'll try to put my response together in a new separate thread.
 

Sobek

Disgusting Scalie
While I like the sort of "Rationalist" styly of fiction can't say I ever saw anything cool about Worm, or even felt compelled to read it. Probably because of the fact even you guys who know it can't even explain it. I have a strong dislike of things that you can't summarize like that, comes off as tryhard.
 
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TheRejectionist

TheRejectionist
This is the fourth or fifth time I have explained but it's a superpower web novel it's a popular sandbox for writers for a myriad of reasons.

General questions for anyone : why write fics?

I wrote stuff since when I was a kid but I was never tempted to write one. I tried to force myself to write original content, EVEN if had even and very visualized inspiration from other materials. I want to call those my own. Also because there would be nothing to say "I did that".
 

Bear Ribs

Well-known member
General questions for anyone : why write fics?

I wrote stuff since when I was a kid but I was never tempted to write one. I tried to force myself to write original content, EVEN if had even and very visualized inspiration from other materials. I want to call those my own. Also because there would be nothing to say "I did that".
Primarily ease of setting. If you're writing, say, a Scooby Doo fanfic you don't need to work as hard on describing the characters, everybody knows what the gang looks like. Also, you don't need to expend five chapters on elaborate worldbuilding to explain why four teens are visiting a haunted house or how come their dog can talk, readers are already primed for that. Fanfics can generally get to the meat of the story significantly faster than original stories.

It's notable that this is very narrowly geared to sci-fi and fantasy that otherwise require a lot of worldbuilding, there's very little, say, courtroom thriller or noir detective fanfic because the genre itself already has an established world baked-in so the writer doesn't have to put in the extra effort. For fanfics that aren't set in a fantastic world, you'll find it's almost always just smut because the advantages of the fanfic format don't exist so writers go more for original works.

There's also a certain amount of raking in readers who like an existing setting and are specifically looking for fic of it of course.
 

Terthna

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An extremely long web serial novel involving superheroes. It's very meandering, dark, and pretty much built around everything being bad all the time. If I had to sum it up entirely, it would be "The ends justify the means, but the road to hell is still paved with good intentions so life is going to be shit for everybody no matter what you do." It strongly follows Rationalist Fic tropes.

There's really no clear story arc and it gets increasingly repetitive as it goes on. It does have rather vivid characters and great interactions early on, though the worldbuilding is nonsensical and the author's fetish for making everything as grimdark as possible grinds the worldbuilding badly with its continuous diabolus ex machina.

It has a strong start and then falls apart more and more the longer it drags, and it drags a freakin' lot (equivalent to a book over 7,000 pages long). Unsurprisingly nearly every fanfic is an alt power that covers that strong start and then dies when it gets past those initial events where the story begins to decay. It's notable that very few fanfics actually capture Worm's feel, most are far more upbeat and positive, usually having a alt-power to make things happier when runs completely counter to Worm's initial themes where good powers don't go to good people and vice versa.

The story got hugely signal-boosted when Eliezer Yudkowsky, author of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, gave it rave reviews so if you like that sort of writing it will be right up your alley.
I would have thought that would be to the detriment of its popularity on Spacebattles, considering how often I saw people there mock the Rationalist genre of fanfiction.
 

Bear Ribs

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I would have thought that would be to the detriment of its popularity on Spacebattles, considering how often I saw people there mock the Rationalist genre of fanfiction.
Very few of them have actually read it. No really. The difference between the actual Worm story and the fanon popular Spacebattles is immense. It doesn't help that Worm is so ungodly long and verbose and very few Fanfics make it past Leviathan so reading the whole thing isn't needed for a simple alt-power fic that's going to die in a few chapters.

It's well enough known that most Worm fanfic writers haven't actually read Worm past the first couple of chapters for people to commonly discuss this phenomenon on Reddit.





 

Vaermina

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While I like the sort of "Rationalist" styly of fiction can't say I ever saw anything cool about Worm, or even felt compelled to read it. Probably because of the fact even you guys who know it can't even explain it. I have a strong dislike of things that you can't summarize like that, comes off as tryhard.
God "Rationalist" style fictions are entertaining for the comments around the stories alone.

They're basically just fanon "I think the world should work this specific way so it does" fiction. So you get some really funny takes when you come in and point out the actual reality of the setting and people try to defend their personal fanon when it contradicts canon.
 
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f1onagher

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What I want to know is, why is Worm the thing that so many people are obsessed over that it needed its own Creative Writing subforum? It's nothing special; and outside of Spacebattles and Spacebattles adjacent communities, relatively obscure.
Worm is like Mass Effect, Familiar of Zero, or Dragon Age in that it's a largely functional story with comprehensive worldbuilding, yet it's so messed up that it's easy to find ways to "fix" or "improve" the setting without trying hard or ruining the base appeal. That it has a modular mechanic for bringing in crossover elements is also very convenient and fun to remix hundreds of times.

Worm is also a niche enough product to not have a widespread fanbase, so anyone who's interested in Worm fanfiction ultimately ends up in the one place it all gathers: Spacebattles. And since Spacebattles is the only reliable place to find Worm fanfiction and prospective writers accumulate there propagating the cycle.

Ultimately there's just something about the highly mechanical cosmic functionality that appeals to Spacebattlers.
 

bullethead

Part-time fanfic writer
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General questions for anyone : why write fics?

I wrote stuff since when I was a kid but I was never tempted to write one. I tried to force myself to write original content, EVEN if had even and very visualized inspiration from other materials. I want to call those my own. Also because there would be nothing to say "I did that".
Basically, it comes down to the basic idea of "Wouldn't it be cool if ____?"

So, for stuff where the source material has lots of flaws, that be "Wouldn't be cool if it was written better/the story had focused on ____ instead of what it did/etc...?"

For crossovers, it's basically "Wouldn't it be cool if _____ met _____? What would happen?" mixed with "If I don't do this, no one else might ever do it."

Also, if you've read The Innovation Delusion, our culture overvalues novelty (often called innovation) for its own sake, over maintaining things and solid execution. If you have no interest in creating your own whole new thing/don't have anybody you can bounce ideas off of, just writing fanfics expanding a universe that you care about is a good way to satisfy your creative urges.
 

ThatZenoGuy

Zealous Evolutionary Nano Organism
Comrade
General questions for anyone : why write fics?

I wrote stuff since when I was a kid but I was never tempted to write one. I tried to force myself to write original content, EVEN if had even and very visualized inspiration from other materials. I want to call those my own. Also because there would be nothing to say "I did that".
I mean, I like fictions made by other people, therefore logically I probably REALLY like something I'd write myself. Thus I made Zeno the character. But then I needed some sort of world for him to be in, so I made his world, and so on.
 

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