Who else dreads this year?

[Hlaalu Agent]

Watched the video, and can't see what is claimed. All I see is people preparing for violence from the other side. Though, it is 18 minutes long and thus easy to miss the exact spots. If there are particular things that you think I missed, give me a time stamp.

 

[The Original Sixth]

Theres also the part where Andy Ngo constantly and provably lies.

I see people I don't know making unproven accusations. You got some data sport?

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

I would agree that the DNC wouldn't be as hardcore progressive and identitarian this election cycle as they are now

wouldn't they though? there's some interesting charts about media use of words like "Whiteness" "Woke" and similar identitarian SJW silliness. It basically instantly spikes with Obama's second term.

 

[The Original Sixth]

wouldn't they though? there's some interesting charts about media use of words like "Whiteness" "Woke" and similar identitarian SJW silliness. It basically instantly spikes with Obama's second term.

This cycle will be very SJW infested.

2016, those SJW folks were mostly in the 2nd and 3rd tiers of power. They had enough political power that Clinton had to pay homage with women's rights, reproductive rights, BLM, and all that...but it wasn't her only audience. Clinton was more concerned with typical Neo-Liberal ideology, not Progressive ideology. She probably didn't give a shit about any of that, sort of like how Trump probably doesn't give a shit about Pro-Life crowds, but does so because that's what his alliance requires.

So when Clinton lost in 2016, it pretty much put the Neo-Liberals on the backfoot. The corruption, the proclaimed inequality from a party that had tried to run on equality in 2016, and most of all, the lack of results is what led to the No-Liberals being put into this position. This is the last hurrah of the Neo-Liberals for the DNC. Of the elites, Biden is their choice, but Harris is an acceptable second. If the Neo-Liberals lose 2020, they know it's curtains for them. Pelosi, Schumer...they've got this all riding on this election.

Problem is, they may not even get the chance.

1) The Socialists want to win this. Their argument is that Bernie could have won if the DNC hadn't used Super Delegates. Which is probably not true, but the very public ass-fucking that Bernie got was apparent. And no American likes that super delegate system, because it's clearly there to override public opinion.

2) The Progressives are the ones that the Socialists and Neo-Liberals are chasing, but some of them have decided that they should be in charge and the other two the junior partners. That's where you get Booker from. And Warren too, I reckon, though she straddles the Socialist angle too. People like Booker don't want a white nominee. They want a dark-skinned nominee, preferably named Booker.

So 2020 will be all about Progressive ideology, because the competing centers of power within the DNC are chasing after it and is thus helping to form the Progressives as their own major power center. Probably the dominate power center. I expect thus, they will fail in 2020. I also expect the Progressives to fail in 2024, which will either force the party to be more moderate in its approaches or fail entirely and fall back towards a more Liberal stance.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

I do wonder what will happen if the Far Left wins the power struggle within the DNC. Certainly most voters will look at such a party and with a shudder vote Republican because the Republicans are assholes, but the Democrats would be socialists.

 

[Cherico]

I do wonder what will happen if the Far Left wins the power struggle within the DNC. Certainly most voters will look at such a party and with a shudder vote Republican because the Republicans are assholes, but the Democrats would be socialists.

Expect the cities these socialists control to become like Detroit, after all they hate business owners, don't tolerate disent and put idelogy above everything else. The good news is after the destruction these cities will swing towards moderation because nothing cures extremism quitel like living under it.

 

[7 Gold Eye Heals the Wise]

Expect the cities these socialists control to become like Detroit, after all they hate business owners, don't tolerate disent and put idelogy above everything else. The good news is after the destruction these cities will swing towards moderation because nothing cures extremism quitel like living under it.

I am filled with so much hate every damn time I see someone say dumb lazy shit like this.

It's like you ceded the field, and are now trying to justify it.

 

[Cherico]

I am filled with so much hate every damn time I see someone say dumb lazy shit like this.

It's like you ceded the field, and are now trying to justify it.

Portland isn't going to come to its senses until its hit rock bottom. Only then can they dig themselves out of the hole they got themselves into.

 

[JagerIV]

I am filled with so much hate every damn time I see someone say dumb lazy shit like this.

It's like you ceded the field, and are now trying to justify it.

Well, its just assuming what happened in the 70s and 80s will happen again: many of the cities went crazy, but they reversed course, and got better. New York is the Ur example. Most places aren't Detroit and just plunge into eternal death spirals.

 

[Strigan44]

andy no was put into the hospital by said head injury this is an established fact,

Andy NGO lies about his injury. He claimed to have suffered a subarachnoid hemorrhage- an injury that leaves most victims either dead or paralyzed- but left the hospital within a day. At worst he may have suffered a mild concussion. Also, in the video of him getting hit (this one has a better angle) you can tell that at least one of the marchers there tried to help him.

Antifa can't take credit for "defending" people from violence they provoked in the first place. Up until the last couple years, political rallies in the US were remarkably none violent, with even outright neo-nazis holding entirely peaceful rallies and events......and then antifa showed up to "defend" people by beating up peaceful protesters. Shithead protesters, to be sure, but peaceful ones.

Elements of the right gleefully took advantage of this new status quo and started punching back, or taking advantage of antifa's willingness to throw the first punch and then counterattacked, but they didn't start this escalation, antifa did, and so they get the lion's share of the blame for the current situation. Particularly because there are still rallies where only the right wing shows up and there's no antifa presence, and contrary to antifa's lies about "we're just here to defend our communities", the right wing doesn't rij around amok beating up helpless people or something when antifa isn't there. Antif clearly isn't defending shit, they're just petty shitheads who are butthurt about Trump and want to hurt people they view as responsible.

You'll have to give some real evidence to show that the increase in violence was started by antifa and not the increasing prevalence of the alt-right or the fact that the goddamn president calls neo-nazis "very fine people." Especially given that Richard Spencer has admitted that Antifa's strategy is a problem for him.

As for your article and your summary therefore, the two seem to be in conflict. The article and it's linked articles link the spine fracturing incident to a street fight between patriot prayer and antifa, while you claim it was an attack on "peaceful protesters". I'm pretty sure you can't engage in a street fight (on that, for the record, patriot prayer did provoke....but by yelling insults, not fracturing people's spines) and still claim to be peaceful.

Aw, that's cute. You clearly didn't even bother to read the article and got your information from Andy Ngo's doxx.

The article also dishonestly interprets "two years ago some cops said they could arrest some guys, but offered them the chance to just leave instead" and "cops inform protesters of the other side's planned movements to try and keep them apart" as "cops are actively aided and abetting facists, oh noes". Because cops never make empty threats or bullshit people to make them do what the cops want, and cops never just let people off with a warning or try to get people to cooperate with them by doing them "favors". Nope, clearly it must be a facist conspiracy. And also apparently cops are deliberately letting right wingers get away with shit, because they're not listening to random left wing dirtbags on twitter screeching about nazis, or something (because usually the cops are so willing to take orders from rando calrissian's Twitter feed, right?).

It's an issue because the police have gone down extremely harshly on left-wing protesters while leaving the Proud Boys/Patriot Prayer completely unscaved.

 

[Battlegrinder]

You'll have to give some real evidence to show that the increase in violence was started by antifa and not the increasing prevalence of the alt-right or the fact that the goddamn president calls neo-nazis "very fine people." Especially given that Richard Spencer has admitted that Antifa's strategy is a problem for him.

The fact that this kind of violence didn't happen before antifa started running around, and that it doesn't happen when they don't show up, would seem to strongly suggest that the far right is not responsible for the sudden rise in political violence.

Edit: Also, Ricard Spencer saying it's hard for him to speak when antifa is running around rioting every time he schedules an event doesn't support your claim the far right is responsible for the increase in violence. Quite the opposite, in fact, since Richard Spencer used to be able to hold events without antifa, and said events were not the violent brawls that they became once antifa showed up. I get that you're a fan of the intercept, but I advise against you copying thier "make random sensationalist claims, then attach vaguely related article to make it look legit" technique. Thier cargo cult journalism is not a very effective way to actually convince people.

Aw, that's cute. You clearly didn't even bother to read the article and got your information from Andy Ngo's doxx.

Wrong, I got it from here:
Portland Police Arrest Right-Wing Protester for May Day Assault at Cider Riot
And the link within that article here:Far-Right Brawler Ian Kramer Arrested For Felony Assault And Other Crimes For May Day Attack At Cider Riot

With the Portland mercury being linked by the intercept and written by Alex Zielinski, while the williamette week article the mercury cited was written by Katie Shepherd.

Sounds more like you didn't read the article.

It's an issue because the police have gone down extremely harshly on left-wing protesters while leaving the Proud Boys/Patriot Prayer completely unscaved.

Except for all the right wing guys they've arrested, of course. And given that antifa justifies its actions by claiming, as you have, that they need to employ violence and force because the cops won't act, among other excuses for, shall we say, "premetive self defense" while the right wing counts on them showing up and throwing the first punch so they can claim self defense (plus the far left has a generally hostile view of law enforcement).....yeah, I'm not surprised antifa gets in trouble more often.

Presuming that's actually true, and given the people claiming it are antifa themselves as part of thier justification for violence.....I have serious doubts.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Expect the cities these socialists control to become like Detroit, after all they hate business owners, don't tolerate disent and put idelogy above everything else. The good news is after the destruction these cities will swing towards moderation because nothing cures extremism quitel like living under it.

Detroit huh. Used to remember a video of people condemned to be sent to Detroit.

 

[Doomsought]

I am filled with so much hate every damn time I see someone say dumb lazy shit like this.

It's like you ceded the field, and are now trying to justify it.

It not a coincidence that the proud boys sprouted up where Antifa cells regularly block off parts of the road and redirect traffic.

 

[ShieldWife]

This fact may come as a surprise to many people on the left, but Richard Spencer has just as much right to openly express his beliefs or hold a public event to further his political agenda as any other peaceful law abiding American has. Just because you don’t like him or his ideology doesn’t give a bunch of thugs, who are just as extreme as him if not more so, the right to assault and terrorize him or his supporters. None of these right wing events are violent if leftists don’t show up.

Along the same lines, maybe Andy Ngo is a completely biased partisan hack, he’d be no worse than dozens of mainstream news “journalists” aside from the direction he’s biased towards and not having a multimillion dollar budget. Even if he is such a hack, Antifa has no more right to commit violence against him than right wingers have right to assault CNN or MSNBC reporters.

 

[Arch Dornan]

This fact may come as a surprise to many people on the left, but Richard Spencer has just as much right to openly express his beliefs or hold a public event to further his political agenda as any other peaceful law abiding American has. Just because you don’t like his or his ideology doesn’t give a bunch of thugs, who are just as extreme as him if not more so, the right to assault and terrorize him or his supporters. None of these right wing events are violent if leftists don’t show up.

Along the same lines, maybe Andy Ngo is a completely biased partisan hack, he’d be no worse than dozens of mainstream news “journalists” aside from the direction he’s biased towards and not having a multimillion dollar budget. Even if he is such a hack, Antifa has no more right to commit violence against him than right wingers have right to assault CNN or MSNBC reporters.

Speaking of violence there wasn't much of that done on CNN or MSNBC was there?

I only know Tucker Carlson as a member of MSM had people bashing his door.

 

[Greengrass]

Speaking of violence there wasn't much of that done on CNN or MSNBC was there?

I only know Tucker Carlson as a member of MSM had people bashing his door.

A guy literally sent bombs to them.

 

[Arch Dornan]

A guy literally sent bombs to them.

Oh that now I remember.

That wasn't very nice.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Oh that now I remember.

That wasn't very nice.

Indeed, sending bombs to be generally isn't very nice.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Indeed, sending bombs to be generally isn't very nice.

It's what terrorists do.

He has a disagreement send a letter of complaint or talk of his grievances or something.

Otherwise what he likes to do to others can be done against him. Bombs and much worse can be sent to his doorstep.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

It's what terrorists do.

He has a disagreement send a letter of complaint or talk of his grievances or something.

Otherwise what he likes to do to others can be done against him. Bombs and much worse can be sent to his doorstep.

Which is one of many reasons to oppose political violence, because it inexorably leads to escalation and retaliation and the degradation of civil society.