Navarro
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The abomination causing trouble also gets flat out destroyed in The Dunwich Horror.
What aspects of Eldritch Horror really horrify you?
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The abomination causing trouble also gets flat out destroyed in The Dunwich Horror.
And in the Shunned House as well, where a nameless Lovecraft protagonist actually wins.
CarlManvers2019
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I think it was noted by Conan or another Sword&Sorcery Protagonist that when it comes to things from Beyond-The-Veil
The moment they cross dimensions, they need to have SOME following of reality’s rules
And as such they need ACTUAL organs, particularly brains
Navarro
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And in Innsmouth the USN tears Y'ha-nthlei a new one with depth charges, and in Whisperer in Darkness a bunch of mi-go get killed by a guy with a shotgun.
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It is almost as if humanity can score some victories, and everything being hopeless is just an exaggerated meme.
CarlManvers2019
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People forget that the Alien Races in Lovecraft were PHYSICAL BEINGS like us
The Shoggoths are NOT Eldritch Abominations or even from another dimension. They are products of SCIENCE.
The Elder Races FOUGHT Cthulhu and his Starspawn, they didn't just fall to madness and despair, they FOUGHT
The only hopeless thing is thinking that you and you're civilization are much in the grand scheme of the multiverse and eternity
Go ahead and form an interstellar and multiversal civilization and discover the secrets of the universe, many many many many billions of years from now you either get bored AF and off yourself or don’t really do anything of note for a long while
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Pretty much, things are only hopeless in the grand scheme, outside of the human frame. Such hopeless in the grand scheme doesn't mean there can't be hope for humanity in our time under the sun. And anyways, one must remember even Cthulhu is an insignificant ant in the grand scheme as well, only appearing to be something important due to our own perspective or lack therefore of.
CarlManvers2019
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Possibly still insignificant, Lovecraft shares the setting with Robert E Howard and Clark Ashton Smith
Many many many many millenia from now, well it looks like humanity is destined to only remain on this planet and eventually be replaced by bugs
Wish we could have traveled and colonized space and other dimensions and maybe gain superpowers
But no, humanity isn’t really significant even on the galactic scale
Syzygy
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Knowledge isn't the antithesis of stupidity, it's wisdom.
Conan is a fine example considering his progression from impatient teenager happy to turn an entire city against him by murdering court officials at his own trial, to consultant of Aquilonia on the frontier and eventual king. His antagonists are more often than not his intellectual superiors, but that knowledge accounts for nothing when they throw it all away by the whim of hubris; they are intelligent, but stupid nonetheless. Conan rises above them through cunning, smart enough to unravel their schemes even if he does not fully comprehend them, and he maintains his position later in life by complementing it with wisdom. That is brilliance; intelligence applied with prudence.
Men like that shape history. They are the torchbearers.
CarlManvers2019
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Honestly, when I think about it, best way for Eldritch Abominations to truly have a chance at breaking guys like Conan would be through sheer torture and overwhelming his dopamines
Or taking advantage of them having doubts regarding their faith or being obsessed with revenge or something or just killing off everyone they cared for and offering em power or something
That's sounding like "Try lots of different things until one of them works."
I think this is time for a Tolkien quote:
CarlManvers2019
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@The Immortal Watch Dog
Say, what would Conan have to say to “civilized” fools like this one?
I mean to begin with, guy can just off himself before that and there’s no guarantee those eldritch horrors will NOT make it quick
And then the world would be populated by people who didn't "just off" themselves. If the horrors won't make it quick, why should people make it easy for them?
And again... steamboat go BRRRRR!
Anyways, what kind of wingnut kills himself and his family after one conversation with a stranger peddling a bizarre worldview?
CarlManvers2019
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Why would they also suddenly give so much of a damn, it’s not as if they’re gonna live till they’re 100 or that it would happen in their lifetime
And why do they suddenly have so much enthusiasm regarding world history and mankinds’ success and marks on the world?
Do they even KNOW history past the last twenty years?
Shipmaster Sane
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Extremely little, I imagine.
I think the thing that I dislike about eldritch horror is the apathy of higher beings, and how utterly pointless things are.
God-like beings are real in H.P. Lovecraft's universe, and they don't care one iota of a bit if you are lucky. The higher beings that do care, humans would be better off without, such as Nyacarla-whatever and the King in Yellow. There are some benelovent beings, but these are rarely written about.
As for the pointlesness, even Cthulhu itself, the flag-character of the franchise, is ultimativly doomed to failure and irrelevancy.
It's stuff like that makes me appreciate Sundered for example.
Then again, the third thing about the Cthulhu myth is how the later writers turn up the volume on the hopelesness. Lovecraft himself wrote about how a battleship managed to push Cthulhu back into sleep, Bast protects cats and those who treat them well, and I do like how videogames of the myth tend to give the player a shot at putting off the end for a little longer.
God-like beings are real in H.P. Lovecraft's universe, and they don't care one iota of a bit if you are lucky. The higher beings that do care, humans would be better off without, such as Nyacarla-whatever and the King in Yellow. There are some benelovent beings, but these are rarely written about.
As for the pointlesness, even Cthulhu itself, the flag-character of the franchise, is ultimativly doomed to failure and irrelevancy.
It's stuff like that makes me appreciate Sundered for example.
Then again, the third thing about the Cthulhu myth is how the later writers turn up the volume on the hopelesness. Lovecraft himself wrote about how a battleship managed to push Cthulhu back into sleep, Bast protects cats and those who treat them well, and I do like how videogames of the myth tend to give the player a shot at putting off the end for a little longer.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
Benevolent lovecraftian horrors would be interesting to see more of.
CarlManvers2019
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Mitra
Mitra is the most common deity worshiped in Hyboria, and is the chief god in almost all Hyborian kingdoms, including Aquilonia, Ophir, Nemedia, Brythunia, Corinthia, and even Zingara. The worship of Mitra is a monotheistic one. There are a host of saints, but there must be no other god than...
He’s an opponent of Set who maybe another guise for Nyarlathotep
Navarro
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Also, remember when Randolph Carter metaphorically flipped off Nyarlat-frigging-hotep and not only lived to tell the tale, but all Nyarly could do later was brood and sulk over it?
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CarlManvers2019
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At times, I wonder if people actually read Lovecraft’s works at times
I’ve tried pointing out before to guys on r/DresdenFiles that to varying degrees, Eldritch Abominations like the Outsiders CAN be scientifically understood and that REH and Lovecraft shared the same setting and it’s not too out of place for material weaponry to be able to hurt Lovecraftian horrors....hell ancient alien races fought Cthulhu and his Starspawn
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