What aspects of Eldritch Horror really horrify you?

DarthOne

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Regarding Lovecraftian horror and Eldritch Abominations, for me it comes down to several things. There’s the sheer vastness and ancientness of the universe in general. The fact that these... creatures, Cthulhu, Hastur and so on have not only been around for most of it and but have survived it all. Then there’s there sheer power and knowledge they posses in comparison to humanity’s. How insignificant everyone besides these creatures are in comparison to them. Not just a question of ‘we’re bugs to them’. It’s that humanity, like so many other races, will fade away, Great Old Ones or not, and be forgotten. That we don’t matter in the slightest in the long run.

To borrow a bit from Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, where Arthur Dent sits down and breaks down for himself what Earth being gone means...sit down and just consider this.

Picture something familiar and dear to you. It can be the house you grew up in, your family name or the street you live on. Now apply a Lovecraftian outlook. Time, the universe, the Great Old Ones? They don’t care about whatever that thing is. One way or another, imagine that precious thing gone or forgotten as if it never existed to begin with.

Now ramp that up to something a little bigger. Imagine your neighborhood...and apply the above Lovecraftian outlook. Then ramp it up bigger. The town or county you live in. Then do it again; but bigger. And again. And again. Over and over until you reach the limits of what you can grasp. Most people don’t get up to even countries, not really.

Regardless of what it is nothing, not language, religion, countries will last. Humanity won’t even be a galactic footnote, because no one will care or pay attention when we are gone.
Now bear in mind that even the ‘lesser’ Great Old Ones like Cthulhu have unvaryingly born witness to that countless times.

Now yes, sometimes be it by dangerous and ancient knowledge the schemes of the Great Old Ones can be stopped. But never without a cost.

In The Shadow Over Innsmouth, the people of that town have suffered for generations under the Deep Ones; the US might have taken action against them, but the main character is still going to become one of those wretched creatures for the rest of his immortal life. And even then, it’s noted that the Deep One city might have been damaged, but it was not destroyed. Nor was it the only one of its kind. And that Innsmouth was just a trail run for a bigger city next time, like Boston. We’re even told early on that the Deep Ones could wipe out humanity...but they just can’t be bothered to do so.

In The Whisperer In Darkness, yes some Mi-go are killed...but poor, poor Henry Akeley is still a disembodied immortal brain in a jar without sight, sound or speech for all eternity. The Mi-go mines in the hills of Vermont and elsewhere are still going strong, as are their human collaborators.

The Dunwitch Horror; again the horror and his brother are gone... but that’s scant comfort to the locals and police officers that it ate. And the knowledge of how to create another horror and bring back the Old Ones to wipe out humanity and carry the Earth off is still out there.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Regarding Lovecraftian horror and Eldritch Abominations, for me it comes down to several things. There’s the sheer vastness and ancientness of the universe in general. The fact that these... creatures, Cthulhu, Hastur and so on have not only been around for most of it and but have survived it all. Then there’s there sheer power and knowledge they posses in comparison to humanity’s. How insignificant everyone besides these creatures are in comparison to them. Not just a question of ‘we’re bugs to them’. It’s that humanity, like so many other races, will fade away, Great Old Ones or not, and be forgotten. That we don’t matter in the slightest in the long run.

To borrow a bit from Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, where Arthur Dent sits down and breaks down for himself what Earth being gone means...sit down and just consider this.

Picture something familiar and dear to you. It can be the house you grew up in, your family name or the street you live on. Now apply a Lovecraftian outlook. Time, the universe, the Great Old Ones? They don’t care about whatever that thing is. One way or another, imagine that precious thing gone or forgotten as if it never existed to begin with.

Now ramp that up to something a little bigger. Imagine your neighborhood...and apply the above Lovecraftian outlook. Then ramp it up bigger. The town or county you live in. Then do it again; but bigger. And again. And again. Over and over until you reach the limits of what you can grasp. Most people don’t get up to even countries, not really.

Regardless of what it is nothing, not language, religion, countries will last. Humanity won’t even be a galactic footnote, because no one will care or pay attention when we are gone.
Now bear in mind that even the ‘lesser’ Great Old Ones like Cthulhu have unvaryingly born witness to that countless times.

Now yes, sometimes be it by dangerous and ancient knowledge the schemes of the Great Old Ones can be stopped. But never without a cost.

In The Shadow Over Innsmouth, the people of that town have suffered for generations under the Deep Ones; the US might have taken action against them, but the main character is still going to become one of those wretched creatures for the rest of his immortal life. And even then, it’s noted that the Deep One city might have been damaged, but it was not destroyed. Nor was it the only one of its kind. And that Innsmouth was just a trail run for a bigger city next time, like Boston. We’re even told early on that the Deep Ones could wipe out humanity...but they just can’t be bothered to do so.

In The Whisperer In Darkness, yes some Mi-go are killed...but poor, poor Henry Akeley is still a disembodied immortal brain in a jar without sight, sound or speech for all eternity. The Mi-go mines in the hills of Vermont and elsewhere are still going strong, as are their human collaborators.

The Dunwitch Horror; again the horror and his brother are gone... but that’s scant comfort to the locals and police officers that it ate. And the knowledge of how to create another horror and bring back the Old Ones to wipe out humanity and carry the Earth off is still out there.



I think unless the Darkest Dungeon gets to torture and intoxicate you into madness, the real despair will be knowing all you’ve done in pursuit of your goal was absolutely worthless

All that time, money, effort and lives lost for nothing

And by the looks of it you’re also stuck in a timeloop doomed to forever repeat the endless and hopeless battle

Though, the Heart of Darkness by the looks of the DLC and the presence of other eldritch horrors like the Shambler, is less the creator of the universe and more along the lines of the origin of that world’s biological life and souls....said souls however ended up creating an Idea of Good/The Light through sheer “delusional” faith & hope that might be a sort of alternate personality now for said Heart of Darkness
 

Shipmaster Sane

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Regarding Lovecraftian horror and Eldritch Abominations, for me it comes down to several things. There’s the sheer vastness and ancientness of the universe in general. The fact that these... creatures, Cthulhu, Hastur and so on have not only been around for most of it and but have survived it all. Then there’s there sheer power and knowledge they posses in comparison to humanity’s. How insignificant everyone besides these creatures are in comparison to them. Not just a question of ‘we’re bugs to them’. It’s that humanity, like so many other races, will fade away, Great Old Ones or not, and be forgotten. That we don’t matter in the slightest in the long run.
Cthulhu cant swim faster than like, 30 knots. Behold the sheer power.
 

Shipmaster Sane

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I think unless the Darkest Dungeon gets to torture and intoxicate you into madness, the real despair will be knowing all you’ve done in pursuit of your goal was absolutely worthless

All that time, money, effort and lives lost for nothing

And by the looks of it you’re also stuck in a timeloop doomed to forever repeat the endless and hopeless battle

Though, the Heart of Darkness by the looks of the DLC and the presence of other eldritch horrors like the Shambler, is less the creator of the universe and more along the lines of the origin of that world’s biological life and souls....said souls however ended up creating an Idea of Good/The Light through sheer “delusional” faith & hope that might be a sort of alternate personality now for said Heart of Darkness

However it is in the nature of humanity to rise to any challenge, now matter how insurmountable the obstacles in the way may be. I firmly believe that DD humanity will continue to deny the HoD it's due and with time find a way to cut the abhorrent umbilical cord.



I mean... do you have any reason to trust what the Heart Of Darkness' avatar says about itself?

This is what always gets me about these interpretations of lovecraftian fiction, everyone just accepts, at face value, the reporting of insane people, cultists, or the monsters themselves, as to the scope and power of the monsters.

It's like if I told you I was god, and you diddnt ask any further questions but just accepted that I was the master of your reality and there was nothing you could do to change that.



As for Darkest Dungeon in particular, I think the largest fallacy one can accept is that a part of a thing cannot harm said thing, which creates a grand irony in that the Character capable of doing the most damage to the heart is a Leper, a symbol of the body attacking itself, of the diseased fringe destroying the heart. It is no wonder that the Heart's rambling nihilistic philosophy has little effect on the Leper, for whom there could be no more ridiculous notion than "You are a part of me, and thus cannot harm me".
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
I mean... do you have any reason to trust what the Heart Of Darkness' avatar says about itself?

This is what always gets me about these interpretations of lovecraftian fiction, everyone just accepts, at face value, the reporting of insane people, cultists, or the monsters themselves, as to the scope and power of the monsters.

It's like if I told you I was god, and you diddnt ask any further questions but just accepted that I was the master of your reality and there was nothing you could do to change that.



As for Darkest Dungeon in particular, I think the largest fallacy one can accept is that a part of a thing cannot harm said thing, which creates a grand irony in that the Character capable of doing the most damage to the heart is a Leper, a symbol of the body attacking itself, of the diseased fringe destroying the heart. It is no wonder that the Heart's rambling nihilistic philosophy has little effect on the Leper, for whom there could be no more ridiculous notion than "You are a part of me, and thus cannot harm me".

Yeah, even look at the DLC, the Heart really isn't the biggest thing around

The nearby farmstead's got a gestating version of the Heart's own eldritch species around

If even a bunch of washed up nobodies with regular steel can kill off swathes of the Hamlet's horrors, then so can that worlds' armies

I think the trick is as with the Godhand from Berserk, is actually managing to find and getting to the full body of the thing and hoping it doesn't maybe slip away or use some bullshit telekinetic or spatial defence to redirect the damage
 

Shipmaster Sane

You have been weighed
Way to miss the point
Not really, you should have left out the guy with rather pitiful displayed limits when discussing how beyond human limits the lovecraftian monsters are.


Yeah, even look at the DLC, the Heart really isn't the biggest thing around

The nearby farmstead's got a gestating version of the Heart's own eldritch species around

If even a bunch of washed up nobodies with regular steel can kill off swathes of the Hamlet's horrors, then so can that worlds' armies

I think the trick is as with the Godhand from Berserk, is actually managing to find and getting to the full body of the thing and hoping it doesn't maybe slip away or use some bullshit telekinetic or spatial defence to redirect the damage
I think the trick to killing something that exists partially in the realm of the symbolic is that how you kill it also has to be symbolic, like using the Leper to kill the Heart.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
I think the trick to killing something that exists partially in the realm of the symbolic is that how you kill it also has to be symbolic, like using the Leper to kill the Heart.

Also, actually truly being in the same plane of existence as it or close enough, Guts and his Dragonslayer might eventually become something of “Astral Beings” like Skull Knight if they keep on being covered in demon flesh

Or simply put, you gotta hit their “real body” instead of their avatars or projections
 

Lord Sovereign

The resident Britbong
You know, given what I understand of Eldritch abominations and that when they enter our reality they must operate by some of our rules, perhaps sufficient ordinance is the solution for them? Cthulhu might be mighty but a tactical warhead to the face is going to hurt.

Yes, I know that is the 40k approach, but it works.

Greater Daemon of Khorne: The age of the False Emperor is over. I have come to cleanse this galaxy in blood for the Blood God-bbbalsfjasfn (ass is sent packing back to the Immaterium via Imperial Guard massed artillery bombardment)
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
You know, given what I understand of Eldritch abominations and that when they enter our reality they must operate by some of our rules, perhaps sufficient ordinance is the solution for them? Cthulhu might be mighty but a tactical warhead to the face is going to hurt.

Yes, I know that is the 40k approach, but it works.

Greater Daemon of Khorne: The age of the False Emperor is over. I have come to cleanse this galaxy in blood for the Blood God-bbbalsfjasfn (ass is sent packing back to the Immaterium via Imperial Guard massed artillery bombardment)

Yup, no need for things like Innocence or Symphogears to harm them, you just have to hit them real hard

In one Conan story, it's noted that the summoned daemon, had to abide by SOME of reality's rules and as such had organs and could die due to brain trauma
 

DarthOne

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Not really, you should have left out the guy with rather pitiful displayed limits when discussing how beyond human limits the lovecraftian monsters are.

You mean the fact that the guy had just woken up from a god-only-knows-long sleep, was catching up to the Alert and even when he gets 'killed', he reforms in short order?

You know, given what I understand of Eldritch abominations and that when they enter our reality they must operate by some of our rules, perhaps sufficient ordinance is the solution for them? Cthulhu might be mighty but a tactical warhead to the face is going to hurt.

Yes, I know that is the 40k approach, but it works.

Greater Daemon of Khorne: The age of the False Emperor is over. I have come to cleanse this galaxy in blood for the Blood God-bbbalsfjasfn (ass is sent packing back to the Immaterium via Imperial Guard massed artillery bombardment)
According to the Call of Cthulhu RPG, he just reforms and is now both radioactive and REALLY annoyed.
 

Shipmaster Sane

You have been weighed
You mean the fact that the guy had just woken up from a god-only-knows-long sleep, was catching up to the Alert and even when he gets 'killed', he reforms in short order?
The man driving flat out says that Cthulhu isnt swimming as fast as the ship at full steam, but will catch them before it reaches such. Frankly, 30 knots is generous.
 

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