What are biasis you find you have to keep in check?
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Yep, but the problem is that you will have to bring up a helluva lot of evidence to prove to me that Islam=Murders/Rapist on the morality scale to the point of deserving the scale of inherent bias that you are talking about here, otherwise our conversation is done.
I just gave you my opinion, if you don't like it, deal with it.
I have a lot. Sadly all from life experience, my emotional ass, and a mixture of my online life.
The LGBTQ community. I have both great and terrible experiences here. Most of the bias for this comes from most I have met since 2016, my ex included. Almost all female. They freaked the fuck out over Trump without actually looking into things. It did not help that LGBTQ acceptance was shoved down my throat, and even caused me for a short time to outright detest it. I would never be vocal of course. Grew my acceptence and everything back.
It is stkll on of my biggest fears that I will lose a girl to the same gender.
Islam.
Being a US Soldier definitely does not help with this as we generally face the third world countries Islamic population in the Middle East. How they are generally a group of extremists was something I had been taught since I was a kid. Over the years they are a religion split by fundamentals. There are good people in it.
I would say China and Russia, but I literally have to avoid contact with people from there so not gonna bother about that Bias.
People from Cali.
This one, sadly is still pretty bad one for me, it does not help the person from Cali k know best, someone I work with, is definitely the stereotype of the state.
Oh, the new England states, from the people I know in these states, they seem generally in the left side of things and don't seem to understand how a taser being pointed at a cop means a justified shooting.
The LGBTQ community. I have both great and terrible experiences here. Most of the bias for this comes from most I have met since 2016, my ex included. Almost all female. They freaked the fuck out over Trump without actually looking into things. It did not help that LGBTQ acceptance was shoved down my throat, and even caused me for a short time to outright detest it. I would never be vocal of course. Grew my acceptence and everything back.
It is stkll on of my biggest fears that I will lose a girl to the same gender.
Islam.
Being a US Soldier definitely does not help with this as we generally face the third world countries Islamic population in the Middle East. How they are generally a group of extremists was something I had been taught since I was a kid. Over the years they are a religion split by fundamentals. There are good people in it.
I would say China and Russia, but I literally have to avoid contact with people from there so not gonna bother about that Bias.
People from Cali.
This one, sadly is still pretty bad one for me, it does not help the person from Cali k know best, someone I work with, is definitely the stereotype of the state.
Oh, the new England states, from the people I know in these states, they seem generally in the left side of things and don't seem to understand how a taser being pointed at a cop means a justified shooting.
Shipmaster Sane
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Only if you and I both are stupid enough to not understand that you can examine the logic of something by altering the scale but maintaining the relationship, without implying that the scale is the same. Thankfully, I'm sure neither of us is that confused.
This is, in fact, dealing with it.
BullSh*t! because you make a poor argument in that regard, the world is a shade of grey, and thus, undeserving of any bias. Everyone is a liar or imperfect in some way and judging a baby born into the Islamic faith with bias because of it is inherently wrong! Who are you to judge a person's individual merit by what they 'supposedly' believe or do not believe?
People should be judged based on their own merits no more, no less, and politics and religion aren't uniform monolith's with every believer following and believing all tenant's of those beliefs in fact it's the opposite.
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Imagine a perfectly swell guy. He is hardworking, volunteers, donates to charity, has plenty of friends, happily married to an adoring (but independent) wife, despises violence and extremism, he even dislikes the woke cult. But he's either:
a) Muslim.
or
b) A rapist.
Sorry, I don't think it's a matter of scale at all. In case of (a) I wouldn't really care. The problem with Islam, at least to my thinking, is that it encourages people away from being good. "Encourages" is the important word here. It means it doesn't "automatically make".
A rapist, however, is a horrible person by definition. It's doesn't matter how otherwise perfect you are, rape immediately makes all that goodness completely irrelevant. A rapist is horrible whether he smokes or not, and no amount of charity can make up for the crime of rape. Even a former rapist would be kind of sketchy. Yeah, he's repentant and possibly served punishment so he paid for his crime (which does count for a lot), but I'd still be weary of such a person and certainly won't look at his the same way as at someone with a spotless past.
If such an otherwise great person is Muslim though, what does that tell me? That he doesn't drink and likes kneeling on rugs in his spare time (hyperbole of course)?
That is a horrible bias when people like me exist. Gen Z who isn't stupid
Like I said take every one on a case by case basis. But for every one person like you. I tend to run into 5 who are dumb as hell.
Oh. Millennials...
I'm at the very top end of millennial, borderline gen-x.
It's hard for even me not to be biased against other millennials. Though my own existence should be proof enough for me not to hold that bias.
The media's anti millennial narrative from last decade really imprinted on my brain, and there are so many that do perfectly fit the "only want to whine, Not work," narrative that it's hard to break. I have to remind myself I'm wrong quite often, because I work with other millennials who are some of the hardest workers I've met, and do not whine or complain.
Boomers. I hold a lot of aggravation and resentment toward boomers for leaving us worse off than they were, while spouting shit like "you lazy millennials just need to get a job and go to school." Okay boomer, you could pay for an entire year's college tuition with a summer job. That doesn't even pay for one class now. That's always pissed me off so much.
Not all boomers are like this, but it's so easy to lump them together.
I'm at the very top end of millennial, borderline gen-x.
It's hard for even me not to be biased against other millennials. Though my own existence should be proof enough for me not to hold that bias.
The media's anti millennial narrative from last decade really imprinted on my brain, and there are so many that do perfectly fit the "only want to whine, Not work," narrative that it's hard to break. I have to remind myself I'm wrong quite often, because I work with other millennials who are some of the hardest workers I've met, and do not whine or complain.
Boomers. I hold a lot of aggravation and resentment toward boomers for leaving us worse off than they were, while spouting shit like "you lazy millennials just need to get a job and go to school." Okay boomer, you could pay for an entire year's college tuition with a summer job. That doesn't even pay for one class now. That's always pissed me off so much.
Not all boomers are like this, but it's so easy to lump them together.
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Seriously, the lessons this show teaches seem more important than ever these days.
is he half ghost?
For me it comes from being a Security Guard that worked at two Colleges, Two Factories and Two Warehouses. That 15 years of interaction really did color my view. Which I why I work hard on giving individuals the benefit of the doubt.
Should have worked at a trade school as security
Shipmaster Sane
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Did you just censor yourself? I think you have to be 18 to use this site.
Then you lack basic threat, and pattern recognition. This argument does in fact perfectly apply to the extreme of a murderer or a rapist, because you're the one using absolute language. Any bias? Any? You're biassed against a known murderer you encounter covered in a gallon of blood. Thinking they're a threat? Thats bias, thats prejudice, you are literally assuming they're a threat, you dont know, you diddnt see them kill anyone, you dont know why they're covered in blood, it could be from anything.
If the logic of your argument applies at a ridiculous extreme, you need to adjust your reasoning.
Which is why you should recognize the inherent threat involved in interacting with another person.
Holding a belief is not a genetic condition, is it? Sounds pretty racist to me bruh.
How are your beliefs not your merits? I would say they are definitionally the content of your character.
You shouldn't espouse beliefs you don't hold, being judged by those beliefs you espouse is literally the fairest thing that could possibly happen to you.
We aren't in NSFW here, it's called being respectful to other people outside our conversation.
Your grandstanding here and misdirecting the conversation by getting into technicalities, rather than speaking in this metric answer me this "Why in your eyes does Islam=Murder/rapist in your mind?" Because that's the argument you made and you wouldn't have changed the metric to it if you felt they weren't related.
Who says I don't? threat recognition in no way is equal to bias...
I have no idea what your implying with this statement, but since I am sure nobody around here agrees with it I am sure I am fine with disagreeing.
No they aren't, belief is grossly different from individual to individual and amongst religion from sect to sect, the bible says to stone women in some instance but I and many others don't agree with this now a days, although their are some fringe people who say otherwise.
My point is that you are painting a entire group of people as extremist when the fact is I am sure a vast majority of muslims just don't give a sh*t.
Really? I am a Christian and now I challenge you to make up a profile based on what you think my character is without referencing my previous post.
Hard isn't it?
Shipmaster Sane
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1. Swearing via text is not NSFW
2. Mispelling a swear is still swearing in the mind of anyone out of grade school
"Wah stop focusing on the facts of what you actually said and instead conform to my easier to fight strawman!"
No I didn't. I don't have to defend points that I did not make.
Get a load of this guy, he literally doesn't understand that you can examine broken logic at two different scales.
They're directly related. You are pre-emtively judging a person based on degrees of superficial information.
No kidding.
Your logic directly implies that stance. Is English not your first language by chance?
Yes they are. Your beliefs are literally what your character is consistent of.
Yes and you shouldnt claim beliefs you do not hold, that is definitionally hypocrisy.
I know what your point is, I'm explaining why your point is nonsense based on your extremely poor misunderstanding of what I said and your apoplectic knee jerk reaction to it.
What the fuck does that have to do with what I said, which was
"You shouldn't espouse beliefs you don't hold, being judged by those beliefs you espouse is literally the fairest thing that could possibly happen to you."
I said you should be judged by the beliefs you claim to hold, because thats fair.
Things missing from that sentence
-I can make up a profile of what I think your character is based on what beliefs you claim to hold
English? Yes I've heard it's difficult for non native speakers to get a handle on.
Going back and looking through your original post I see that in fact I missenterperted your first statement and I take full responsibility for it, keep in mind that when I made the follow up post last night I was in a hurry trying to sleep. (Had to go to the job the net day)
In any case, this is my last post on the subject as I have already embarrassed myself with my half dazed two o'clock ramble .
Maybe, but it's still respectful to younger individuals who visit this site and I don't know about you but I am a gentleman in that regard.
That's a matter of opinion, and quite frankly, I could care less about yours over mine. I consider myself a gentlemen, and since I can access this section of the site without logging in, that means so too can anybody and as such, I remain polite of others in my own small way, if you don't like it that's your problem
Dude a word of friendly advice, but believe me, anybody who has to openly question somebody's character by equating them to a negative subject or has to sink to the realm of questioning another person's nationality or language is no better than those leftist on SB or SV who call everybody a 'racist' or draw parallels to suit their fancy to win argument's or degrade there opponents and love it or hate it whenever I see you arguing in the last two post you are treading that line.
In any case, this is my last post on the subject as I have already embarrassed myself with my half dazed two o'clock ramble .
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