We need to have an intervention for Manual Drivers

[Sailor.X]

It has become lately that some people who love to drive manual cars are pushing well bullshit out on the internet. These are their main BS statements.

1: The Stick Shift is the Ultimate Theft deterrent.
2: Manuals are more fuel efficient than Automatic Transmissions
3: Manuals are faster for shifting in performance cars.
4: Automakers will come to their senses and make more Manuals than autos. The last one made me spit out beer.

First: Professional Auto Thieves don't give a shit if you have an automatic or a manual. They will use a Repo Wrecker to snatch your car. And people won't even interfere because they will like you are real late on your car payments.

Second: This use to be true 20 years ago. But today with modern computer controlled fuel and transmission systems. Automatics are more fuel efficient than manuals

Third: Most if not all of the high end performance car makers are only producing Automatic options. This is because they have developed computer systems in those cars that can literally shift faster than any human being alive.

Fourth:.......... This is just self denial. The future trend in cars is pointing towards a Hybrid and fully electric car future. Manual transmissions will be made in less and less numbers in the future not more.

So if you have a friend of family member who is saying these things. Pull them off to the side and give them an intervention. They can love their favorite Manual Car as much as they like. But they must come to the realization that they are wrong and time has passed them by.

 

[gral]

Eh, that's an American thing. In Brazil the majority of cars are, and will be for a long time, manual transmission. As for the arguments:

1) Not really;
2) What you already said, plus the fact that how you drive(especially how you step on the accelerator) affects fuel economy as much as shifting gears, if not more;
3) My understanding is that depends on the technology used; your run of the mill hydraulic transmission is slower in shifting than a manual, more recent automatic(and automatic-like, like CVT) are faster;
4) Unless you live in a country that you can unashamedly shove obsolete cars down the throat of the customer, while charging for them obscene amounts of cash(i.e., Brazil), no.

 

[Zachowon]

Automatic cars are more of a American thing then anything else really woth countries like Germany and Korea being the other two that I know use mainly Automatic. Even then Korea mainly only has it in new vehicles.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Cars with automatic shift are more expensive than those with manual shift and in Europe most people are not willing to pay the difference. It is gradually changing though as hybrids and electric cars are becoming more common.

 

[Sailor.X]

Cars with automatic shift are more expensive than those with manual shift and in Europe most people are not willing to pay the difference. It is gradually changing though as hybrids and electric cars are becoming more common.

Gradual is becoming rapid if you take a look at the upcoming car models. Even Automotive reporters are noting this in this years releases. Hybrids and Electrics will soon replace a lot of stuff on the road. Especially in the EU because of Climate Change agreements.

 

[Bear Ribs]

It seems to me we're going to hit self-driving cars before they get rid of all the manual transmissions.

 

[Sailor.X]

It seems to me we're going to hit self-driving cars before they get rid of all the manual transmissions.

Those pesky climate change agreements many countries signed on to will ironically kill the manual transmissions.

 

[Cherico]

The only thing that matters is that your vehical gets you from A to B every thing else is preference.

 

[Sailor.X]

The only thing that matters is that your vehical gets you from A to B every thing else is preference.

That I agree with. Now if we can only convince Manual Drivers of your sentiment.

 

[Panzerkraken]

That I agree with. Now if we can only convince Manual Drivers of your sentiment.

As a manual driver by preference, married to someone who doesn't even know how to make one go forward, I endorse your statement. It's a personal preference, I just like having more to do while driving; when I'm driving an automatic I tend to get bored.

 

[Sailor.X]

As a manual driver by preference, married to someone who doesn't even know how to make one go forward, I endorse your statement. It's a personal preference, I just like having more to do while driving; when I'm driving an automatic I tend to get bored.

I can understand that. And that is a valid opinion on your part. But I have noticed other manual drivers have a nasty habit (mostly from Europe) of putting down people who like Automatics. And they get upset when you tell them you can drive a manual well but still prefer to drive an Automatic. I can drive both. But I like Automatics more because.

1: They were the first cars I learned to drive.
2: I have a bad left knee so I don't like using it at all when driving (Old military injury)
3: When I had the gout in my left foot. I could still drive my car.

But nope they come in with slurs of calling you a simple minded driver. And they wonder why they get backlash.

 

[Vargas Fan]

I can understand that. And that is a valid opinion on your part. But I have noticed other manual drivers have a nasty habit (mostly from Europe) of putting down people who like Automatics. And they get upset when you tell them you can drive a manual well but still prefer to drive an Automatic. I can drive both. But I like Automatics more because.

1: They were the first cars I learned to drive.
2: I have a bad left knee so I don't like using it at all when driving (Old military injury)
3: When I had the gout in my left foot. I could still drive my car.

But nope they come in with slurs of calling you a simple minded driver. And they wonder why they get backlash.

I used to hear that as well. Automatics drive themselves. What a load of shit.

Like yourself, I've recently had a problem with my left knee, so an automatic has been a blessing.

Based on how I've seen others drive, especially bloody BMW and Audi drivers, I despair.

 

[Sixgun McGurk]

It has become lately that some people who love to drive manual cars are pushing well bullshit out on the internet. These are their main BS statements.

1: The Stick Shift is the Ultimate Theft deterrent.
2: Manuals are more fuel efficient than Automatic Transmissions
3: Manuals are faster for shifting in performance cars.
4: Automakers will come to their senses and make more Manuals than autos. The last one made me spit out beer.

First: Professional Auto Thieves don't give a shit if you have an automatic or a manual. They will use a Repo Wrecker to snatch your car. And people won't even interfere because they will like you are real late on your car payments.

Second: This use to be true 20 years ago. But today with modern computer controlled fuel and transmission systems. Automatics are more fuel efficient than manuals

Third: Most if not all of the high end performance car makers are only producing Automatic options. This is because they have developed computer systems in those cars that can literally shift faster than any human being alive.

Fourth:.......... This is just self denial. The future trend in cars is pointing towards a Hybrid and fully electric car future. Manual transmissions will be made in less and less numbers in the future not more.

So if you have a friend of family member who is saying these things. Pull them off to the side and give them an intervention. They can love their favorite Manual Car as much as they like. But they must come to the realization that they are wrong and time has passed them by.

It's sad that you're so weak and girlish as to need the many-headed abomination of hydramatic. A manual is better in every way. They are easy to fix and last as long as you want to make them last. An automatic is a nightmare of stinking fluid, burnt clutches, bad bands and dozens of evil little balls and actuators under spring tension just waiting for your dumb ass to unbolt. The best transmission I ever had was in a 66 Ford Econoline pickup with three on the tree. The truck came with a convenient hole in the floorboard for throwing out beer bottles, a rifle rack across the little back window and a Royce Am Fm CB radio.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Manual's have better shelf life's because you can change the oil in the transmission without risk of causing it to slip unlike automatic's.

 

[Sixgun McGurk]

Manual's have better shelf life's because you can change the oil in the transmission without risk of causing it to slip unlike automatic's.

That and you can change a clutch in about an hour.

 

[Zachowon]

If manuals are so reliable why have the military completely gone away with them and every single vehicle we currently use (with exceptions of the rare Duece and a half). Our Humvees are all manual, out LMTVs, out new JLMTVs, our MATVs. Our Maxim MRAPS. I think our tractor trailers arnt, but never driven one, nor have I driven out bigger 8 wheeled vehicle. I think the one we use for fuel is also automatic.

 

[Sixgun McGurk]

If manuals are so reliable why have the military completely gone away with them and every single vehicle we currently use (with exceptions of the rare Duece and a half). Our Humvees are all manual, out LMTVs, out new JLMTVs, our MATVs. Our Maxim MRAPS. I think our tractor trailers arnt, but never driven one, nor have I driven out bigger 8 wheeled vehicle. I think the one we use for fuel is also automatic.

Because they aren't $153000 and come with a kickback to Senator Bedfellow. You guys would be better off with jeeps that you can jump out of and trucks that can be fixed by a soldier with pliers.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

If manuals are so reliable why have the military completely gone away with them and every single vehicle we currently use (with exceptions of the rare Duece and a half).

Your mistaking reliability for utilitarian, manual's are easier to maintain and work with without the risk involved of having to buy a new automatic transmission if you accidently botch maintenance,

To Uncle Sam however, money is limitless. If an automatic transmission gives out they can just buy a new one or a new vehicle, and considering these vehicles are supposed to be heading into combat they aren't expected to last as long or get to that high of mileage to the point were transmission failure is considered a big problem.

Our Humvees are all manual, out LMTVs, out new JLMTVs, our MATVs. Our Maxim MRAPS. I think our tractor trailers arnt, but never driven one, nor have I driven out bigger 8 wheeled vehicle. I think the one we use for fuel is also automatic.

Another thing I will point out, is that new recruit's simply don't know how to use manual transmission's these days, so that also plays a roll into the shift to automatic's.

 

[Zachowon]

Because they aren't $153000 and come with a kickback to Senator Bedfellow. You guys would be better off with jeeps that you can jump out of and trucks that can be fixed by a soldier with pliers.

Humvees are actually pretty easy to fix, just a bitch to maintain as the amount of strain being put onto them. It is very large thr more weight used on them. Also LMTVs are transport vehicles. They are damn good and easy to maintain. And no, because do you know how many soldiers would be dead if we had open sided jeeps? A lot. Special forces get away woth it because they are not in convoys, facing IED threats. Even then thier vehicle is again, automatic.

Your mistaking reliability for utilitarian, manual's are easier to maintain and work with without the risk involved of having to buy a new automatic transmission if you accidently botch maintenance,

To Uncle Sam however, money is limitless. If a automatic transmission gives out they can just buy a new one or new vehicle, and considering these vehicles are supposed to be heading into combat they aren't expected to last as long or get to that high of mileage to the point were transmission failure is a problem .

Another thing I will point out is that new recruit's simply don't know how to use manual transmission's these days so that also plays into the shift to automatic.

Eh, every person who has to drove a vehicle learns to drive a vehicle, even if they have never driven that type. Also, a Humvee beats out any of the vehicles we used pre Humvee even though it is automatic. The jeeps are horrible and unarmored. Sure Humvees at the start were, but even up armored ones, heavy as hell, still outperform the old jeeps.

What the mimitary is going for, is ease of use, protection from small arms, and with the newer ones, IED Protection. Automatic also allows for focusing on what is around the vehicle, and keeping your head in a swivel instead of shifting gears. "BUT, when one is good enough at shifting gears they don't need to look!" And while true, soldiers armt driving manuals 24/7 or enough to get that down.

Fun fact, Humvees are really easy and simple to drive, and are a lot more barebones then some manuals I have seen.

 

[Deleted member]

Manuals keep you in tune with the spirit of the road, but just using a semi-auto is fine; not everyone wants to power-band their way to the grocery store. But I would die if I couldn’t take a 25mph yellow warning sign curve on a New York state highway legally signed for 55, at 55, by downshifting through the curve without even touching the brakes—what’s the point of life without a scarf, driving gloves, wind whipping through the moonroof and open windows, a straight six roaring with the spike in engine pressure, the gravity forcing you down, the rush of anticipation at the next curve already in sight, the crisp feeling of a leather boot smartly moving from pedal to pedal?

As a proud card-carrying member of the Human Driving Association and lover of Rush’s Red Barchetta... I don’t care what you think, some things are joy, they’re not meant to be automated.