Philosophy Was the West admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues? by tiredfromlife2019

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Why not though? You can do both. Divine right of kings is thing after all.
Yes,but they need put 10% of population in their own gulags then.Tyrants and bad kings could rule without that,becouse they do not interfere with normal people lives,like commies did.
If you were peasant in bad king country,as long as you pay taxes and no start uprisings nobody bothered you.Peasant in commie country go to gulag,kolchoz or massgrave.
 

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Yes,but they need put 10% of population in their own gulags then.Tyrants and bad kings could rule without that,becouse they do not interfere with normal people lives,like commies did.
If you were peasant in bad king country,as long as you pay taxes and no start uprisings nobody bothered you.Peasant in commie country go to gulag,kolchoz or massgrave.
True - because a medieval king might be a corrupt old crook, or an inbred idiot, but he would seldom be an ideologue hellbent on forcing the entire population into some new mode of society someone had dreamed up.
 

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True - because a medieval king might be a corrupt old crook, or an inbred idiot, but he would seldom be an ideologue hellbent on forcing the entire population into some new mode of society someone had dreamed up.
Even if he really was mad.I read about one of Egypt caliphs/before Crusades/ who start beliving that he is god,but not hurt anybody who do not belived in him,becouse for god opinions of mere humans were unimportant.
 

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And lucyper is easy to explain - he is loose,and he want us to be loosers,too.Very human attitude,i could undarstandt him.
Ok your argument of Lucifer solves the problem of evil, but it also turns you into a pagan polytheist. IfLucifer is cause of evil and God hasn’t ended all evil because he is busy fighting the devil You believe in two gods Yahweh/Jesus who is god of good, and Satan who is the god of evil you basically redid Zoroastrian
 

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Ok your argument of Lucifer solves the problem of evil, but it also turns you into a pagan polytheist. IfLucifer is cause of evil and God hasn’t ended all evil because he is busy fighting the devil You believe in two gods Yahweh/Jesus who is god of good, and Satan who is the god of evil you basically redid Zoroastrian
Satan being allowed to run loose for a time before God steps in and removes him isn't the same thing at all as Satan being some sort of equal-but-opposite power to God. I'm not sure that even the Zoroastrians really believed that.
 
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Satan being allowed to run loose for a time before God steps in and removes him isn't the same thing at all as Satan being some sort of equal-but-opposite power to God. I'm not sure that even the Zoroastrians really believed that.
Then you’ve still got the problem of evil God made Satan and let’s him run around even though he could stop him whenever he wants it’s highly irresponsible at best, malicious at worst. As for Zoroastrians yes that’s what the beloved they believe that there are two primordial uncreated beings god and Satan God created the world and is all good but the devil did not like that so has been trying to corrupt creation ever since. Now when it’s time for the final judgment the Zoroastrian believed that God and good will triamph over evil and Satan but well God and Satan here are close in power Satan is gods peer he is not a created being in rebellion like a spoilt child. This does remove the problem of evil because a powerful all knowing god who is all good did not create the source of all evil.
 

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Ok, as somebody who's not an expert, or even religous, the answer I heard was "Free Will".

To have free will, you have to be able to choose. And, the moment God steps in and fixes things, you can't.


That's all I've got. Like I said, no expert.
 

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Ok, as somebody who's not an expert, or even religous, the answer I heard was "Free Will".

To have free will, you have to be able to choose. And, the moment God steps in and fixes things, you can't.


That's all I've got. Like I said, no expert.
That applies to human actions like if I kill rape or rob you. But if you get a tornado hitting your house or you catch the commie cough unless god sent the plague that doesn’t apply because those evils aren’t from choices.
 

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Also, Satan is NOT the source of evil. Satan is temptation away from God. EVIL comes from our exercise of Free Will in acting against God.
 
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Also, Satan is NOT the source of evil. Satan is temptation away from God. EVIL comes from our exercise of Free Will in acting against God.
Evil is used as a short for bad stuff. The problem of evil can also be called “Why does god let bad things happen?”
 

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Ok, as somebody who's not an expert, or even religous, the answer I heard was "Free Will".

To have free will, you have to be able to choose. And, the moment God steps in and fixes things, you can't.


That's all I've got. Like I said, no expert.
Indeed.Difference between lucyper and us is that we,even if we become worst then Sralin,Mao and Soros combined,could still choose God.demons and people arleady in hell are unable to do so.
About bad things happen - i remember cruel jewish joke.
Abram had waifu,childrens,money.And start loosing one cildren after another,money too.Each time he go to synagogue crying :
Jahwe,WHY?
Finally,when he lost all,Jahwe come and said - Abram,i never liked you.
 
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