Typhonis
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Ash Wastes expansion. Where you care out turf in the areas between hive cities.
Warhammer Warhammer General discussion thread: Now with 100% more Space Marines
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PsihoKekec
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Something for people to take their minds off the GW pushing the femstodes
Skitzyfrenic
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Oh, oh yeah. They just did a thing showing us that the Femstodes look exactly like how everyone with a lick of 'if it was going to both be a thing and as lore accurate as possible' said she would.
Nigh indistinguishable from a man.
That chin is impressive, the jawline square.
Nigh indistinguishable from a man.
That chin is impressive, the jawline square.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Vatnik
THOU SHALL LIFT IN HIS HOLY NAME!
There is a guy on Instagram that his whole thing is getting built just to accurately depict a space marine terminator or devestator with heavy weapons
THOU SHALL LIFT IN HIS HOLY NAME!
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Vatnik
According to r/Grimdank, these are "wise words" from Aaron Dembski-Bowden.
I myself just die inside to think this man was ever allowed to write for the Emperor, that there are many who agree with him within GeeDubs, and that people are applauding it.
None of these fuckers could have held an empire together. None of them.
I myself just die inside to think this man was ever allowed to write for the Emperor, that there are many who agree with him within GeeDubs, and that people are applauding it.
None of these fuckers could have held an empire together. None of them.
Skallagrim
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"We're seeing levels of retcon and gaslighting that shouldn't even be possible..."
Jumping Jehoshaphat, what a load of crap this guy is piling on! Unbelievable. If you look at the development of the lore, and understand the people who were writing it to begin with, the lie becomes very clear. No, the Emperor was not "always a bad guy". The whole franchise was first created by avowed leftists, who were trying to push a certain idea. Namely that religion is utter crap, conservatism is terrible, and that -- get this -- the Emperor was a wise, progressive atheist who tried to make humanity "better", Star Trek style. But he was betrayed, and chained to a throne in an undead state, and is doomed to suffer forever as his legacy is warped into the exact thing he hated.
That was the original idea.
Then, it turned out that the target audience actually disagreed with the basic assumptions, and concluded that the Empire was pretty cool, actually. Doing the best thing possible in a shitty situation, as a matter of fact. And GW could either keep pushing their own political message and alienate the fans, or go all on on "Space Marines are cool! FUCK YEAH!" and keep raking in the cash.
They chose the latter.
Trying to re-imagine the Emperor as "always a villain" is really, really ironic. It doesn't fit the orginally intended narrative, nor does it fit the narrative that evolved over time due to fan feedback.
If anything, the big take-away from the narraive that evolved over time is that the Emperor is a tragic figure. A superman who did his best, but who was still "all too human" in his soul. He didn't try to stamp out religion out of hate, but because he wanted to starve the Ruinous Powers. It didn't work, because humans don't really work that way. They find something to believe in. And in a twist of fate, they found him, and believe in him, and that actually does work. That does what his orginal plan couldn't achieve. It keeps their souls safe.
Which is a really cool parallel to how the original lefist assumptions GW tried to peddle could never really work, but when they dropped that and started treating the Imperium as the cool faction it is... that did work.
(And lefties fucking hate that. Which is why they want to retcom the Imperium into villains, the Emperor into a monster... and want to gaslight you into thinking that was always how it was.)
Jumping Jehoshaphat, what a load of crap this guy is piling on! Unbelievable. If you look at the development of the lore, and understand the people who were writing it to begin with, the lie becomes very clear. No, the Emperor was not "always a bad guy". The whole franchise was first created by avowed leftists, who were trying to push a certain idea. Namely that religion is utter crap, conservatism is terrible, and that -- get this -- the Emperor was a wise, progressive atheist who tried to make humanity "better", Star Trek style. But he was betrayed, and chained to a throne in an undead state, and is doomed to suffer forever as his legacy is warped into the exact thing he hated.
That was the original idea.
Then, it turned out that the target audience actually disagreed with the basic assumptions, and concluded that the Empire was pretty cool, actually. Doing the best thing possible in a shitty situation, as a matter of fact. And GW could either keep pushing their own political message and alienate the fans, or go all on on "Space Marines are cool! FUCK YEAH!" and keep raking in the cash.
They chose the latter.
Trying to re-imagine the Emperor as "always a villain" is really, really ironic. It doesn't fit the orginally intended narrative, nor does it fit the narrative that evolved over time due to fan feedback.
If anything, the big take-away from the narraive that evolved over time is that the Emperor is a tragic figure. A superman who did his best, but who was still "all too human" in his soul. He didn't try to stamp out religion out of hate, but because he wanted to starve the Ruinous Powers. It didn't work, because humans don't really work that way. They find something to believe in. And in a twist of fate, they found him, and believe in him, and that actually does work. That does what his orginal plan couldn't achieve. It keeps their souls safe.
Which is a really cool parallel to how the original lefist assumptions GW tried to peddle could never really work, but when they dropped that and started treating the Imperium as the cool faction it is... that did work.
(And lefties fucking hate that. Which is why they want to retcom the Imperium into villains, the Emperor into a monster... and want to gaslight you into thinking that was always how it was.)
You don’t unite a species and defend an empire from all the shit in a galaxy like 40K by being overly nice.
The question is whether his actions are justifiable. I could honestly argue that the majority of them are, with some notable exceptions.
Honestly, the Emperor suffers from character inconsistency. Which can be put down to GW having so many authors and so many interpretations of the character from so many different perspectives.
The emperor that chastises Lorgar and fucks up with Angron, is very different to the Emperor that Perturabo or Mortarion talked with for example.
The question is whether his actions are justifiable. I could honestly argue that the majority of them are, with some notable exceptions.
Honestly, the Emperor suffers from character inconsistency. Which can be put down to GW having so many authors and so many interpretations of the character from so many different perspectives.
The emperor that chastises Lorgar and fucks up with Angron, is very different to the Emperor that Perturabo or Mortarion talked with for example.
As I understand, the one Black Library writer who gets the "Greek tragedy" aspect of the God Emperor is Graham McNeill. The rest are more mixed, but even Dan Abnett goes easier on the Emperor than ADB. To reiterate, ADB is an excellent writer, but for the love of the Throne keep him away from anything loyalist related.
Scooby Doo
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The Tyranids are so underrated, I'm glad Spacemarine 2 gave them a few W's.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
I miss the oldcrons before the whole space Egyptian and Pokemon C'tan thing happened
Ridiculously Average Guy
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Do you think they call corn 'maize' in the Imperium to avoid accidentally saying Khorne?
Scooby Doo
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My friend 90% of the Imperium is eating Corpse Starch I doubt most of them even know what corn looks like let alone the name of it.
Ridiculously Average Guy
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Sure, but on worlds that do have corn, there's no way they still call it corn, right?
Scooby Doo
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Maybe call it frumentum cause 40k love it's latin
Ridiculously Average Guy
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That or the scientific name with is... huh, Zea. Zea sounds way cooler than corn or maize