Breaking News USA to Cut Funding to World Health Organization

[CarlManvers2019]

while True in a technical sense there is no functional difference between the party and the state.

They don’t have much of a choice in people they can vote for, I think

It gets worse when private individuals and entities, hell even entire populations can be brought in and given “deals” or make it an incentive to snitch on one or actively show extra support for something they don’t really believe in

Like their social credit system

I pity the Chinese people, they’re mostly stuck, outside of their own private places and even those can be sort-of-invaded

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

It seems like a bad idea to me, afaik. Despite this setback, hopefully this doesn't actually impact the research and development for the eventual vaccine.

Why does China's foreign propaganda office have to be responsible for the vaccine? Is there, in fact, any number of dead civilians directly being the WHO's fault that would cause you to think de-funding them is a good idea, or do they have carte blanche to vaporize a few cities every now and then?

 

[Cherico]

They don’t have much of a choice in people they can vote for, I think

It gets worse when private individuals and entities, hell even entire populations can be brought in and given “deals” or make it an incentive to snitch on one or actively show extra support for something they don’t really believe in

Like their social credit system

I pity the Chinese people, they’re mostly stuck, outside of their own private places and even those can be sort-of-invaded

Their social credit system is a really expensive thing to uphold and they are the most overleveraged country in human history when that jenga tower falls its going to be ugly.

 

[ThatTabiFromSB]

Why does China's foreign propaganda office have to be responsible for the vaccine? Is there, in fact, any number of dead civilians directly being the WHO's fault that would cause you to think de-funding them is a good idea, or do they have carte blanche to vaporize a few cities every now and then?

I'm pretty sure WHO, and by extension the UN, has to cowtow to just about every nation, not just China. At it is, WHO is the only organization that is currently coordinating the research and development on an international scale. Given WHO's reaction to the US basically amounting to 'eh, ok, that's fine' and a mildly disapproving expression, I would think a Chinese foreign propaganda machine would be a bit more sharp.

 

[Terthna]

I'm pretty sure WHO, and by extension the UN, has to cowtow to just about every nation, not just China. At it is, WHO is the only organization that is currently coordinating the research and development on an international scale. Given WHO's reaction to the US basically amounting to 'eh, ok, that's fine' and a mildly disapproving expression, I would think a Chinese foreign propaganda machine would be a bit more sharp.

So then why has the WHO been cowtowing to China exclusively? As for their reaction to the US calling them out, I'm not sure why you would expect something different; or what you mean by "sharp". And the WHO coordinating research and development on an international scale is of debatable value, in my opinion. Thus far, over a hundred thousand people have died due to their actions, so I'd argue they'd likely continue to cause more harm with their involvement.

 

[Spartan303]

WHO trusts all the nations, they literally have nothing to go on except what the nations give them. If China gives them data that is suspect; they have no choice but to take it in good faith while trying to verify it as much as they can. The same can be said for the rest of the world.

EDIT: Also, this should probably go in the Wuhan Pandemic main thread, shouldn't it?

In theory its supposed to work that way. In practice its proven to not be the case. Which is truly unfortunate for all of us. Playing political favorites isn't something the WHO is supposed to do, yet it clearly has been doing just that. This has made coordinating a world wide response to the Pandemic that much more difficult than it needed to be and people have died from it.

 

[ThatTabiFromSB]

In theory its supposed to work that way. In practice its proven to not be the case. Which is truly unfortunate for all of us. Playing political favorites isn't something the WHO is supposed to do, yet it clearly has been doing just that. This has made coordinating a world wide response to the Pandem that much more difficult than it needed to be and people have died from it.

I mean, if we're gonna that route of entities playing political favorites, we'd ought to look at most of the major US companies practically catering to China. Nevermind the potential shittery politicians get up to.

Still, WHO is the only organization that is doing the coordination of r&d for the vaccine. It's a giant bumbling bureaucratic mess, but it's literally all we've got.

 

[Spartan303]

I mean, if we're gonna that route of entities playing political favorites, we'd ought to look at most of the major US companies practically catering to China. Nevermind the potential shittery politicians get up to.

Fully agree. No argument here.

Still, WHO is the only organization that is doing the coordination of r&d for the vaccine. It's a giant bumbling bureaucratic mess, but it's literally all we've got

Bureaucracy is it's own form of hell. And often times its unforgiving and just as liable to get people killed too. I know the type who work there. Most are usually good people trying to do the job. But some are petty office tyrants who enjoy wielding what power they can. And in a crisis, wield a lot more than you'd expect. And rarely do they face consequences. Such has been my experience with these people.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

Given that not a single international organization (public, private, or government backed) has exactly showered itself in glory dealing with COVID, calling eachother names (which is essentially what this is) seems both petty and waste of time.

Is the WHO massively biased in the PRC's favor and utterly unwilling to say anything that the PRC doesn't like? Absolutely.

Are most of the worlds news organizations bought and paid for by the PRC, and thus unwilling to call them on their bullshit? Absolutely.

Is the PRC directly responsible for the scale of the COVID crisis? Absolutely, they deliberately and directly concealed information, lied, and downplayed the situation for their own PR and economic purposes.

Should the US express its displeasure with the PRC, the WHO, and their cheerleaders once this is over and done with? Absolutely.

Does Trump cutting the US's contribution to the WHO by a few dozen million matter? No, not at all.

Get back to me when Trump adds the CCP and all of its members to the SDN list and forbids all US entities to transact with them in any way. Get back to me when the NBA is told that their support for the PRC costs them their immunity to US anti-monopoly laws. Get back to me when the US forbids all Chinese citizens from entry into the US and forbids all US citizens from traveling to China. Get back to me when the US tells the European nations that the US considers Huawei (and a great many other Chinese companies) a national security threat and that there will be no US military, intelligence, or economic cooperation with any European nation that allows those Chinese entities to do business with them.

As it is, this is all just petty bullshit that is the nation state equivalent of people saying mean things to one another on the playground.

 

[ThatTabiFromSB]

Get back to me when Trump adds the CCP and all of its members to the SDN list and forbids all US entities to transact with them in any way. Get back to me when the NBA is told that their support for the PRC costs them their immunity to US anti-monopoly laws. Get back to me when the US forbids all Chinese citizens from entry into the US and forbids all US citizens from traveling to China. Get back to me when the US tells the European nations that the US considers Huawei (and a great many other Chinese companies) a national security threat and that there will be no US military, intelligence, or economic cooperation with any European nation that allows those Chinese entities to do business with them.

Let's be honest; too much of the US economy relies on trade and business with China to ever actually happen. XD

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Let's be honest; too much of the US economy relies on trade and business with China to ever actually happen. XD

Countries reject Chinese-made equipment - BBC News

The Netherlands, Spain and Turkey have all said some Chinese-made equipment is substandard.

www.bbc.com

One thing people need to remember is that Cheap=/=Good

And a Sunk Cost Fallacy is a thing, that said there are probably cheaper countries to do business with/in or send over all that cheap labor to

Plus, just because businesses use it for production, doesn’t mean everybody maybe willing to BUY knowing where it’s from

Animal Crossing game removed from sale in China over Hong Kong democracy messages | China | The Guardian

Some players have used the game to create politically sensitive images and slogans which they share on social media

amp.theguardian.com

Plus, if you can suddenly have your business or part of it suddenly banned without more modifications, it maybe a sign of things to come

 

[Spartan303]

Let's be honest; too much of the US economy relies on trade and business with China to ever actually happen. XD

Except that's starting to change. I heard Vietnam, India, Taiwan and Japan are looking to pick up for China as businesses are leaving there.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Except that's starting to change. I heard Vietnam, India, Taiwan and Japan are looking to pick up for China as businesses are leaving there.

Wait, how would Japan be able to mass produce goods in the desired “cheap” way? Wouldn’t it be considered too expensive or something?

Because I don’t think anybody’s out of the whole “Cheap=Good” mindset

 

[Spartan303]

Wait, how would Japan be able to mass produce goods in the desired “cheap” way? Wouldn’t it be considered too expensive or something?

Because I don’t think anybody’s out of the whole “Cheap=Good” mindset

Japan is pulling its manufacturing out of China with an intent to satisfy domestic needs but also branch out into other markets. One of them being the US. Relations between Japan and China have never been great and the recent virus hasn't helped things.

Still, I agree. Japan seems like a stretch, but you never know. But if I had to gamble my money? I'd bet on Vietnam.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I'd bet on Vietnam.

A year ago I went there with my brother on a business trip, he talked of how much its building infrastructure and how it’s even managed to advance a lot in-terms of cement manufactory and we should learn from them before using their tech for our own plants

 

[Zachowon]

Japan is pulling its manufacturing out of China with an intent to satisfy domestic needs but also branch out into other markets. One of them being the US. Relations between Japan and China have never been great and the recent virus hasn't helped things.

Still, I agree. Japan seems like a stretch, but you never know. But if I had to gamble my money? I'd bet on Vietnam.

Vietnam, Taiwan and South Korea.
All three of these already have large amount if factories and industry coming from them. South Korea uses it's own country and Vietnam the most from what I gather.
As in a lot of stuff I have gotten that is Korean. Was either made in a factory here or in Vietnam

 

[ThatTabiFromSB]

Except that's starting to change. I heard Vietnam, India, Taiwan and Japan are looking to pick up for China as businesses are leaving there.

One can only hope.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Vietnam, Taiwan and South Korea.
All three of these already have large amount if factories and industry coming from them. South Korea uses it's own country and Vietnam the most from what I gather.
As in a lot of stuff I have gotten that is Korean. Was either made in a factory here or in Vietnam

You know, things are looking bleak for the Chinese, and I really do gotta pity them

Any improvements in living standards will suddenly disappear and they’ll be left with a tyrannous government with less distractions to see life be better as the economy isn’t good enough to provide them

Still, the Chinese are hard working or at the very least reluctantly willing to force themselves through work and force themselves to study via their Tiger Mom tutoring

They have their positive qualities and they don’t really like this stuff anymore than you guys deep down, they can probably rebuild China with time, except it will be a Republic instead of a People’s Republic

 

[Emperor Tippy]

One can only hope.

Japan is tying a great deal of their COVID stimulus to relocating manufacturing out of China.

 

[Navarro]

This seems to be the thread for it: