Breaking News US tracking suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

[History Learner]

If you know they are doing something. And you can gain something of value, then why not take advantage of it by feeding false information as well as potentially jamming it.

In which case, why didn't they do this on any of the other balloons they admit pierced our airspace in the years preceding this event? Why did they immediately shoot down the one over Alaska today instead of doing the same to it? Your cope doesn't pass the thinking test.

How do you know it wasn't jammed? Hmm?

I know because the Pentagon claimed it was operating under controlled guidance; if they were jamming it, this wouldn't have been possible.

All the copes presented here open others and lead directly into contradictory thinking that doesn't pass any sort of logical reasoning test.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

In which case, why didn't they do this on any of the other balloons they admit pierced our airspace in the years preceding this event? Why did they immediately shoot down the one over Alaska today instead of doing the same to it? Your cope doesn't pass the thinking test.

That's easy...to make the President/DoD look strong look strong.

It's a political move. I doubt it really had any significant military/intelligence motivation. I could be wrong there, but I doubt it.

 

[History Learner]

That's easy...to make the President/DoD look strong look strong.

It's a political move. I doubt it really had any significant military/intelligence motivation. I could be wrong there, but I doubt it.

Then why didn’t they shoot down the three previous to the last one? If they wanted to look strong, going 100% on interception would be better. I do agree there are several ways to look at this, but a lot of the existing copes in this thread just don’t make any sense.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Then why didn’t they shoot down the three previous to the last one? If they wanted to look strong, going 100% on interception would be better.

Because the others weren't a big deal. The public was not aware of them enough for it to matter.

 

[Zachowon]

The public doesn't news to know shit from the DoD

 

[History Learner]

Because the others weren't a big deal. The public was not aware of them enough for it to matter.

Which then begs the question of why did they shoot down the one near Alaska today? Public wasn't aware of it until they announced it.

Up until today, I leaned towards this being a Sputnik moment to gin up public support for a Taiwan War by making the homeland look weak, thus justifying the large DoD budget that's coming soon. Now, it seems to me that the most likely explanation is that they lacked the ability to intercept the balloons. Complimentary evidence for this is the fact the F-22 that shot down the one last week did so at several thousand feet lower than the balloon IIRC and got up close to do it with an AIM-9, instead of doing a BVR kill as is the intent with said missile.

The public doesn't news to know shit from the DoD

The Public also has no reason to make sure everybody at the DoD doesn't end up homeless then either. Our taxes pay your paycheck, after all.

 

[History Learner]

Best Air Defense in the World 🤡

 

[Zachowon]

Best Air Defense in the World 🤡

I mean. It didn't make it past Alaska, and do you really think we will say how early we picked it up and give away the range of our radars?
Hahahah

 

[History Learner]

I mean. It didn't make it past Alaska, and do you really think we will say how early we picked it up and give away the range of our radars?
Hahahah

That's even more embarrassing if you picked it up earlier and then couldn't shoot it down until it was already over Alaska. Meanwhile this one got over Alaska and deep into Canada before you could shoot it down:

 

[Zachowon]

Or.
We could have earlier we just didn't.
None of you know what "Gather intelligence on what it is" means do yall?"

 

[History Learner]

Or.
We could have earlier we just didn't.
None of you know what "Gather intelligence on what it is" means do yall?"

OR we could look at the multiple reports we have now that say they didn't detect it until it was already in NORAD airspace. If they were trying to collect intelligence, please explain why they didn't let it float over the United States like the one last week? Why are they blowing them up as soon as they detect them now?

Your copes are getting hilariously bad and it's noticeable to me you've stopped defending the "We shot it down over the sea to recover it" bit because we now have two cases where they shot them down overland.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

Pity we can't hack it and force the Chinese operators to watch Rings of Power.

Assuming you've watched the press conference with Canadian National Defense Minister Anita Amanand?

 

[History Learner]

The Pentagon and the head of NORAD are now saying they can't rule out Aliens. No, I'm not joking either.

Beyond comical at this point.

 

[History Learner]

I know because the Pentagon claimed it was operating under controlled guidance; if they were jamming it, this wouldn't have been possible.

Also the "we were jamming it" cope is more hilarious now, as the balloons/UAPs keep disappearing off American Radars:

The object was first detected by the North American Aerospace Defense Command and the US Northern Command over Montana on Saturday night, and fighter aircraft were sent to investigate, a senior administration official told CNN. At the time, those planes did not identify any object to correlate to the radar hits, which led NORAD and NORTHCOM to believe it was an anomaly.


But on Sunday, defense officials reacquired the radar contact and detected the object flying over Wisconsin and then Michigan. The path of the object and its altitude raised concerns that it could pose a threat to civilian aircraft, but it did not pose a military threat to anyone on the ground, the official said. President Joe Biden ordered the object to be shot down.​

...And some of the F-22 pilots who shot down the one in Alaska said they were able to mess with their sensors:

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If Chinese balloons are able to do this in NORAD air space, with its density of resources and training, the USAF is going to see it's F-22s and F-35s get utterly clapped by China in a Taiwan War.

 

[PsihoKekec]

"They could see No Propulsion Systems on the Aircraft not knowing how it could possibly be staying in the Air".

It's a fucking balloon, it's propulsion is wind and it stays up by being lighter than air. How hard it is to grok that?

 

[History Learner]

It's a fucking balloon, it's propulsion is wind and it stays up by being lighter than air. How hard it is to grok that?

The Pentagon has directly said they're not balloons:

Pentagon officials on Sunday (local time) said they have been scrutinizing radar more closely since the sightings of unidentified objects and have not been able to identify what the most recent objects are, or how long they are staying aloft. In a press briefing, Air Force General Glen VanHerck, who safeguards US airspace as head of North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and Northern Command, said, "We're calling them objects, not balloons, for a reason."​

Their reasons for this are that these objects are, quote, about the size of small car as compared to the one shot down last week which was massive, several football fields in size in fact. Second, they have been observed to stop and hover for prolonged periods of times; if they were just balloons, this would not be possible given the prevailing winds at these heights. So what does that leave?

The UAP report from 2021 pretty firmly suggest most of the sightings were advanced tech by the Chinese and/or the Russians, not Ayy Lmaos. Given what has been happening, it was mostly likely advanced Chinese UAVs that are now in serial production given the amounts they've been able to put over North America recently.

 

[Robovski]

The Pentagon has directly said they're not balloons:

Pentagon officials on Sunday (local time) said they have been scrutinizing radar more closely since the sightings of unidentified objects and have not been able to identify what the most recent objects are, or how long they are staying aloft. In a press briefing, Air Force General Glen VanHerck, who safeguards US airspace as head of North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and Northern Command, said, "We're calling them objects, not balloons, for a reason."​

Their reasons for this are that these objects are, quote, about the size of small car as compared to the one shot down last week which was massive, several football fields in size in fact. Second, they have been observed to stop and hover for prolonged periods of times; if they were just balloons, this would not be possible given the prevailing winds at these heights. So what does that leave?

The UAP report from 2021 pretty firmly suggest most of the sightings were advanced tech by the Chinese and/or the Russians, not Ayy Lmaos. Given what has been happening, it was mostly likely advanced Chinese UAVs that are now in serial production given the amounts they've been able to put over North America recently.

Some form of small remote dirgible then? You can use the balloon approach for lift in more ways than just "balloon". Aliens is some mightily laughable reach. This country has totally gone to the dogs.

 

[History Learner]

Some form of small remote dirgible then? You can use the balloon approach for lift in more ways than just "balloon". Aliens is some mightily laughable reach. This country has totally gone to the dogs.

A lot of the "UAP" stuff is actually Chinese UAVs:

Intelligence agencies in the U.S. have spent the last few years analyzing footage of hundreds of recent UFO encounters, and they want the American people to know: It's still not aliens.​

According to several U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) officials who spoke anonymously to The New York Times last week, many recent sightings of UFOs — or unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs), as the government prefers to call them — are likely just observations of foreign surveillance operations or airborne clutter, such as weather balloons.​

Several UAP incidents have been officially identified as "relatively ordinary" Chinese surveillance drones, the anonymous officials said. China has previously stolen plans for advanced U.S. fighter planes, and is interested in how the U.S. trains its pilots, the DoD officials added.​

What seems to have the Pentagon freaked out on this, compared to past episodes, is the fact these are apparently very stealthy drones and have some sort of ECW package on them able to interfere with F-22 sensors.

 

[Zachowon]

It was a HAB.
A balloon.
That's all yall need to know

 

[Bacle]