Military US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism

[Zachowon]

If the military has the extra funds for that they clearly have too much. wonder what else can be cut while we look at it.

I mean, it is basically just standard medical care.
The amount spent on the very few is miniscule compared to what Medicare and the like pay for...

That single mother might produce a kid that is fit for military service, even if it is via a judge saying it is the Barracks or the Slammer.

Meanwhile the military is spending money to take someone of dubious quality to begin with and make him less capable and more prone to suicide/dangerous behavior ther might fuck over the whole unit.

Apples and rotten oranges my dude.

Suicide is already rampant within the military

As I understand it, transition surgery was removed from TRICARE coverage under the latest defense spending bill. So this guy would have had to have had this done at least a couple of months ago.

The newest NDAA hasn't been signed as a bill yet.
Stull in congress.

 

[Agent23]

Suicide is already rampant within the military

So basically wildfire, meet huge tank of astrolite....

 

[DarthOne]

So basically wildfire, meet huge tank of astrolite....

Poor fools.

 

[Zachowon]

So basically wildfire, meet huge tank of astrolite....

Poor fools.

Suicide is something the military has been trying to work on.
The issue is there is a separation between enlisted and officers.
The officers just want better bullets where as enlisted want to do better for the soldiers

 

[Bacle]

The military is really trying to get people who were dumped over not getting the Wu Flu Vax to come back, now that it is no longer 'required', while couching the bullshit as 'you can get your record cleared with the military now that the mandates have been tossed by SCOTUS'.

And people wonder why the military has trouble reecruiting, when this is the Pentagon's response to the Wu Flu Vax being outed as worthless and doing more harm than good; no words of apology or contrition from the DoD over it, just jargon about getting records amended and a small plea for those who were unjustly booted to come back.

Till the DoD learns to humble itself to the American people and the vets they've fucked over, and actually ask forgiveness instead of pretending it was ok to do what the DoD did with the Wu Flu Vax mandates, no one should let the DoD and Pentagon forget how they fucked this up royally.

 

[Zachowon]

This is why civilians shouldn't comment on military matters.
The NDAA that is being worked on has it so they get full back pay

And I hate the constant "just in tike for another war in the middle east".
It is the same people that say we shouldn't support Isreal or Ukraine.

A military will always recruit and the thing is, if the NDAA with the back pay passes, people will get rich to join again

 

[Cherico]

This is why civilians shouldn't comment on military matters.
The NDAA that is being worked on has it so they get full back pay

And I hate the constant "just in tike for another war in the middle east".
It is the same people that say we shouldn't support Isreal or Ukraine.

A military will always recruit and the thing is, if the NDAA with the back pay passes, people will get rich to join again

You have a very different diffenition of Rich then I do.

The back pay would be nice but its make a house slightly more affordable rich instead of a private estate and caviar rich, and considering how bad inflation is, that money has lost quite a bit of its value.

And people are right Zach there needs to be actual contrition there needs to be an actual apology, people who risked their lives for the military for over a decade were dropped like a rock they were kicked out and treated like monsters. That isn't right thats a fucking horrible way to treat some one.

There needs to be an aknowlegment that there was a fuck up here, our troops need to be treated like human beings, instead of mercinaries fighting for their next check.

 

[Bacle]

This is why civilians shouldn't comment on military matters.
The NDAA that is being worked on has it so they get full back pay

And I hate the constant "just in tike for another war in the middle east".
It is the same people that say we shouldn't support Isreal or Ukraine.

A military will always recruit and the thing is, if the NDAA with the back pay passes, people will get rich to join again

I notice you don't think that the DoD owes an apology to the service members booted over the Wu Flu Vax.

That the Pentagon and DoD aren't willing to apologize to the American people and the booted vets over this, instead trying to pretend what happened is 'ok' and offer some cash as a 'please forget our fuck up' payment.

You also seem to forget no one is born into the military, even military kids are civies first and foremost. That the DoD doesn't think it needs to worry about it's own PR with the American people and yet wonders why recruiting is shit.

Hint: 20 years wasted in the sandbox is not going to be forgotten or forgiven by the American people, and when US troops are still stationed in the sandbox to play fuckfuck games with Assad and Iran (hello Conoco Fields and the other Syrian and Iraq US bases), the 'die in another proxy war in the Middle East' is still true, even if nothing was happening in Israel or Ukraine.

The US military is so fucking full of itself, and so unwilling to own up to it's fuck-ups to the US public, that a lot of the US public doesn't trust the DoD or the Pentagon anymore. Maybe when the DoD humbles itself and actually acts contrite about it's fuck ups, that trust can begin to be rebuilt.

 

[DarthOne]

This is why civilians shouldn't comment on military matters.
The NDAA that is being worked on has it so they get full back pay

And I hate the constant "just in tike for another war in the middle east".
It is the same people that say we shouldn't support Isreal or Ukraine.

A military will always recruit and the thing is, if the NDAA with the back pay passes, people will get rich to join again

Without us civilians the United States military has nothing. See how long you last when the population turns against you.

And I’d say that @Bacle is on the right track but that the military needs to do more. At the very least they need to stop treating veterans like trash the moment they stop becoming useful canon fodder.

 

[Bacle]

Without us civilians the United States military has nothing. See how long you last when the population turns against you.

And I’d say that @Bacle is on the right track but that the military needs to do more. At the very least they need to stop treating it’s veterans like trash the moment they stop becoming useful canon fodder.

Yeah, lets run through the flimsy and PR blind excuses we've seen from the DoD and Pentagon:

1) The DoD's 'The VA fuck ups aren't on the DoD fuck ups' line, as if veteran care quality doesn't affect recruitment potential.

2) The 'Stable pay and stable housing' lies; which ignore Congressional shutdowns over budgets and ignore the crap quality of most on base housing for enlisted. Not to mention the way the military uproots military families without a care about the dependents most of the time, and that the shitty home life of military families can definitely drive people away.

3) The 'Civies shouldn't comment on the DoD or military matters' line, which is wonderful for making civies see the military as even more alien and detached from the rest of the US populace, and completely blind to the fact civies are the source of their recruits and what the DoD was established to protect. If civies cannot comment on the military, why should they put tax dollars towards towards it or encourage people to join?

4) The 'See the World' line, which is BS that ignore how work from home and remote jobs are increasing, while also ignoring that those 'see the world' trips can and will be interrupted by cancelled leaves and such regularly.

If the DoD and Pentagon cared about defending America as much as they cared about defending their own shitty decisions and trying to dodge civies PR related issues because of the Wokening of the military and shitty work conditions, they wouldn't have recruiting issue.

But as the old saying goes, pride goeth before fall, and the DoD/Pentagon's pride will never let them humble themselves by apologizing to the American people and the vets they've fucked over.

 

[Zachowon]

Yeah, lets run through the flimsy and PR blind excuses we've seen from the DoD and Pentagon:

1) The DoD's 'The VA fuck ups aren't on the DoD fuck ups' line, as if veteran care quality doesn't affect recruitment potential.

Because it isn't.
The DoD is completely separate from the VA
Its a congressional oversight issue.
not a DoD one.

2) The 'Stable pay and stable housing' lies; which ignore Congressional shutdowns over budgets and ignore the crap quality of most on base housing for enlisted. Not to mention the way the military uproots military families without a care about the dependents most of the time, and that the shitty home life of military families can definitely drive people away.

the military does not lose base pay due to shutdowns anymore.
we may lose other things but not base pay.
and you can live off post in every state and most overseas assignments.
yes housing is shit but the only way to fix that is to go to congress about it.
welcome to havinf to go to congress for everything.
And the military has to take into account your dependents when moving
EFMP can prevent you from being separated from your family and the like.

3) The 'Civies shouldn't comment on the DoD or military matters' line, which is wonderful for making civies see the military as even more alien and detached from the rest of the US populace, and completely blind to the fact civies are the source of their recruits and what the DoD was established to protect. If civies cannot comment on the military, why should they put tax dollars towards towards it or encourage people to join?

Civies that join.arnt the ones commenting on it.
And because civies that have no experience with it themselves arnt seeimg hoe things go.
if i told you that we have multiple DFAC issues and that there is heavy fighting going on at all levels from diffrent pfficers and enlisted due to it.
you wouldnt really know unless you sre invovled or in the military.

4) The 'See the World' line, which is BS that ignore how work from home and remote jobs are increasing, while also ignoring that those 'see the world' trips can and will be interrupted by cancelled leaves and such regularly.

Dude, I'm going to Germany for 3 years. I was in Korea for a whole year as my first duty station.
It is easy as hell to see the world in all bramches, mainlt Army, Marines and Navy.
best way to do that is to be proactive.
those that arnt often get stuck at one duty station and get out.

If the DoD and Pentagon cared about defending America as much as they cared about defending their own shitty decisions and trying to dodge civies PR related issues because of the Wokening of the military and shitty work conditions, they wouldn't have recruiting issue.

Shitty wirk conditions will always exist in the army.
you dont join the military to work in a bice office in comfortable clothes.

And the military does care about defeating our adversaries.
It's just to people like most on this forum, they focus on what makes them angry and not what makes sense.

like how we are changing the way we operate in the field at BN and higher because of how easy CPs were destroyed in Ukraine.
making use of MCGs

But as the old saying goes, pride goeth before fall, and the DoD/Pentagon's pride will never let them humble themselves by apologizing to the American people and the vets they've fucked over.

The DoD is not a single entity.
It is up to the leaders to do that.
Each branch would need to own up to its mistakes, and the SECDEF would take other blame.
It would depend on who makes what decisions.

 

[Bacle]

Because it isn't.
The DoD is completely separate from the VA
Its a congressional oversight issue.
not a DoD one.

Maybe in technical terms it is, but from a PR stand point it's still a factor in recruitment decisions.

And that is the disconnect you keep trying to pretend shouldn't matter, the 'technically true' vs 'Public PR image' difference exists because the DoD/Pentagon don't want to take the voices of critics into account, only the voices of supporters, and the recruiting shortfalls are finally making the brass wake the fuck up to the scope of the problem they've caused.

the military does not lose base pay due to shutdowns anymore.
we may lose other things but not base pay.

Private sector doesn't lose any pay, generally, during gov shutdowns.

Now people who deal daily with federal inspectors (example, the Deadliest Catch crews who have onboard fishery inspectors that are never filmed) can be directly impacted, but the public at large doesn't really feel much affect from gov shutdowns.

and you can live off post in every state and most overseas assignments.
yes housing is shit but the only way to fix that is to go to congress about it.
welcome to havinf to go to congress for everything.
And the military has to take into account your dependents when moving
EFMP can prevent you from being separated from your family and the like.

And yet I've seen those recent recruitment orders that went out and went viral about force a few hundred people to become recruiters instead of what they had been doing/planning to do beforehand, and the way the orders didn't account for dependents it seems.

And 'not being separated from dependents' just means those dependents are uprooted too, usually, is what you didn't want to admit. I've had enough family in the Air Force to know how that shit goes; the family moves base-to-base with the service member, uprooting themselves (the entire family) on DC's whim.

So the kids of service members often don't develop the normal civie friendships and socialization, instead just whatever is at the base their parent is station at, and say goodbye to there social circle every few years.

Then again, this is on purpose, to try to make it so the kids of service members, if they stay with their parent, are more likely to see the military as their social circle and not have the normal civilian roots to any one location or group of immediate friends.

Civies that join.arnt the ones commenting on it.
And because civies that have no experience with it themselves arnt seeimg hoe things go.
if i told you that we have multiple DFAC issues and that there is heavy fighting going on at all levels from diffrent pfficers and enlisted due to it.
you wouldnt really know unless you sre invovled or in the military.

Civie do however have family who have served, and got the dirty details recruiters and PR people hide because it doesn't make good recruitment material, and the Pentagon don't want to step on any Congressional toes by putting pressure on DC via the recruitment ads to fix shit.

You never see an recruiting ad saying "We are short staffed, overworked, and routinely fucked with because Congress is a dysfunctional mess, please call your Congresscritters to get shit fixed. Please help us help defend you, and deal with DC for us."

But that's because the DoD wants service member to put political blinders on, and wants to pretend that retarded political moves are 'a-ok' because of the supposed, yet farcical, 'political neutrality' mantra pushed on the service members who aren't important enough to need Congressional Approval for their next posting.

Also, not at all surprised that the ranks are having fights over the cafeteria selection and quality; I would have been more surprised if they weren't.

Dude, I'm going to Germany for 3 years. I was in Korea for a whole year as my first duty station.
It is easy as hell to see the world in all bramches, mainlt Army, Marines and Navy.
best way to do that is to be proactive.
those that arnt often get stuck at one duty station and get out.

You can see the world via remote work as well, or via airline miles, and neither of those require swearing to obey and trust politicians and officers WHO AREN'T TRUSTWORTHY.

Shitty wirk conditions will always exist in the army.
you dont join the military to work in a bice office in comfortable clothes.

There's a difference between 'shitty conditions in combat' and 'shitty conditions in state-side housing', and a difference between 'shitty due to wartime necessity' vs 'shitty because of officer cult issues and wokening of the military'.

And the military does care about defeating our adversaries.
It's just to people like most on this forum, they focus on what makes them angry and not what makes sense.

I focus on trying to tear down the illusions that have led to so many fuck ups and that has led to a increasingly PR-blind/blinded DoD that thinks it can have it's woke/'military pride' cake and eat it's recruitment cake too.

I want an effective, trusted, and lethal US military. The illusions/delusions pushed by the DoD PR teams are directly getting in the way of that goal because they keep trying to pretend their own shit don't stink, while the mountain of shit they are standing in front of is there for everyone to see and keeps growing.

Then again, half the military life is humoring one illusion or delusion or another because the person pushing it is higher ranked than you.

like how we are changing the way we operate in the field at BN and higher because of how easy CPs were destroyed in Ukraine.
making use of MCGs

I would hope the US military would be taking lessons from what is happening in Ukraine; if it wasn't, it'd be even stupider than it appears.

The DoD is not a single entity.
It is up to the leaders to do that.
Each branch would need to own up to its mistakes, and the SECDEF would take other blame.
It would depend on who makes what decisions.

And the leaders won't do that if the rank and file don't put public pressure on them to do.

The 'political neutrality' farce that the DoD has pushed on the lower ranks is part of why the DoD is not respected like it once was. Everyone can see the bullshit game of the Left and powers in DC using the military 'neutrality' forced on lower ranks to stiffle large parts of the old base of the conservative parts of the US, while allowing Lefty causes to become the main recruitment and PR concerns for the Pentagon.

Though I guess it's gotten bad enough they had to do a static line jump out of a Chinook with all white dudes for the latest Army add, because the only TV ad where white males aren't shit on these days is the military recruiting ads. But then again, lots of white boys going to die for DC helps reduce the white male population, who are the main enemy of so many ideological groups who control DC.

It also helps the general depopulation goal of DC, which teh DoD also keeps trying to pretend doesn't exist. After all, admitting that the general lack of babies being born in the US is a bad thing, which would put the DoD on the 'wrong' side of the abortion debate.

The DoD/military want to have their cakes and eat them too, all while ignoring/being ordered to ignore that their leaders are all parading around doing their level best to fucking depopulatate their own recruitment pool.

 

[Vyor]

obey and trust politicians and officers WHO AREN'T TRUSTWORTHY.

No, you just have to obey and trust random corpo overlords who aren't trustworthy.

 

[Bacle]

No, you just have to obey and trust random corpo overlords who aren't trustworthy.

Corpo overlord cannot stop-loss you, or force you to return to the company in the event of an emergency.

Also, corpo's are far more publicly accountable than the DoD is, and that's not going to change.

Also, there is such a thing as independent contractors/self-employment too; but that sort of independent entrepreneurial spirit is not really valued by the DoD, who most want good cogs in the machine and yesmen for the powers in DC.

If it wasn't for Justice Thomas and Alito, the republic the DoD defends would already be lost completely, and the DoD doesn't want to deal with the whole depopulation issue as it relates to recruiting either, because it touches the abortion debate.

 

[Vyor]

Corpo overlord cannot stop-loss you, or force you to return to the company in the event of an emergency.

Very much depends on your job with them.

 

[Yinko]

That the DoD doesn't think it needs to worry about it's own PR with the American people and yet wonders why recruiting is shit.

The DoD and the military aren't exactly the same thing. The DoD can be thought of as the civilian oversight of the military, though in the org chart the military is technically under and a part of them.
The military cares for little else more than their reputation, the level of scrubbing they do to the media to keep themselves looking good is pretty crazy actually. It's the DoD that doesn't give a fuck, and it's their mandates that screw things up. Those DEI programs and covid vaccination requirements? DoD initiatives.

 

[Zachowon]

Maybe in technical terms it is, but from a PR stand point it's still a factor in recruitment decisions.

And that is the disconnect you keep trying to pretend shouldn't matter, the 'technically true' vs 'Public PR image' difference exists because the DoD/Pentagon don't want to take the voices of critics into account, only the voices of supporters, and the recruiting shortfalls are finally making the brass wake the fuck up to the scope of the problem they've caused.

So, how is it thr DoDs fault that they can't control how the VA is.
No matter what the DoD does it won't change the VA.
It takes congress to do that....

Private sector doesn't lose any pay, generally, during gov shutdowns.

Now people who deal daily with federal inspectors (example, the Deadliest Catch crews who have onboard fishery inspectors that are never filmed) can be directly impacted, but the public at large doesn't really feel much affect from gov shutdowns.

Okay...but like i said.
i still get paid my base pay and even if i do lose BAH and BAS, whoch may not even happen if a ahutdown happend.
i can not be put into debt by any party because of it.
almost like I get a "I ain't getting paid so neither do you"
So that does hurt landlords that are renting from military....

And yet I've seen those recent recruitment orders that went out and went viral about force a few hundred people to become recruiters instead of what they had been doing/planning to do beforehand, and the way the orders didn't account for dependents it seems.

And 'not being separated from dependents' just means those dependents are uprooted too, usually, is what you didn't want to admit. I've had enough family in the Air Force to know how that shit goes; the family moves base-to-base with the service member, uprooting themselves (the entire family) on DC's whim.

So the kids of service members often don't develop the normal civie friendships and socialization, instead just whatever is at the base their parent is station at, and say goodbye to there social circle every few years.

Then again, this is on purpose, to try to make it so the kids of service members, if they stay with their parent, are more likely to see the military as their social circle and not have the normal civilian roots to any one location or group of immediate friends.

That isn't at all how that works because guess what.
You don't have to take your family for one. And for two, you are given options most of the time.
Unless you specifically go needs of the Army, you arnt uprooted on the militaries whim. It's when you have been there for a long while and are often seeking to relocate.
There have been people in my unit for over 5 to 6 years....
I have been here for nearly three....

It's called DA salect for the Army. But every branch has it. Due to your NCOERs and or your branch, you are put on orders to be recruiters.
You do that for a few years and stay in some nice or horrible areas.
You are often given half a year to PCS.

The whole thing with families, is because of systems not being updated, families not being known about.
You just let them know get it amended and then boom.
Family comes woth.

Civie do however have family who have served, and got the dirty details recruiters and PR people hide because it doesn't make good recruitment material, and the Pentagon don't want to step on any Congressional toes by putting pressure on DC via the recruitment ads to fix shit.

You never see an recruiting ad saying "We are short staffed, overworked, and routinely fucked with because Congress is a dysfunctional mess, please call your Congresscritters to get shit fixed. Please help us help defend you, and deal with DC for us."

But that's because the DoD wants service member to put political blinders on, and wants to pretend that retarded political moves are 'a-ok' because of the supposed, yet farcical, 'political neutrality' mantra pushed on the service members who aren't important enough to need Congressional Approval for their next posting.

Also, not at all surprised that the ranks are having fights over the cafeteria selection and quality; I would have been more surprised if they weren't.

The recruitment ads are not a congress thing...it's a Branch PR thing.
They are like everyone who advertises.
You make some bad ones, make some good ones. And adjust.....
And being a civie eith military family isnt the same. My wife is a civie and i talk to her about army stuff all the time but she doesnt understand any of it. But people like @Spartan303 @The Whispering Monk and @Tiamat Being a few, can help mke the point that therebis stkll a diffrence from being in it.
why do you think the SECARM is disliked by the soldiers. Because she has no military experience...

The reasons those ads arnt run...
Is because it would get no one to join.
do you know one of the first things you learn in the military? If things are going slow or not getting done.
go to congress. The whole Vanessa Guiane thing? That is how that happend....

And all ranks are supposed to be politically neutral. Even the highest.
and if the president was willing to charge any of them or congress was willing to charge any with treason. They can.....

You can see the world via remote work as well, or via airline miles, and neither of those require swearing to obey and trust politicians and officers WHO AREN'T TRUSTWORTHY.

I mean, I don't obey or trust politicians. Unless you mean the president, then I only have to do what he says if it isn't immoral, illegal, or unethical. No Congresscritter controls the military.
And guess what.
How much money does it take to go on a vacation in Europe for three years? As well as never having to pay rent, electric, or suffer from German laws? How about having unlimited access to American goods without having to ship it over seas?
I am getting paid...around 1500 a month to live in a foreign country, for free.

There's a difference between 'shitty conditions in combat' and 'shitty conditions in state-side housing', and a difference between 'shitty due to wartime necessity' vs 'shitty because of officer cult issues and wokening of the military'.

Does your office hob send you into the field to train and make sure you are ready for war? Have you been in mud above your ankles setting up cables and antennas?
Hundred degree weather with no access to AC?
shitty housing is the biggest issue, and even then, people make the most of it and find way to enjoy.
working though? Very few jobs will ever have the same working conditions as the military, because very few jobs in the military, especially Army and Marines, will have you NOT outside in the field...

I focus on trying to tear down the illusions that have led to so many fuck ups and that has led to a increasingly PR-blind/blinded DoD that thinks it can have it's woke/'military pride' cake and eat it's recruitment cake too.

I want an effective, trusted, and lethal US military. The illusions/delusions pushed by the DoD PR teams are directly getting in the way of that goal because they keep trying to pretend their own shit don't stink, while the mountain of shit they are standing in front of is there for everyone to see and keeps growing.

Then again, half the military life is humoring one illusion or delusion or another because the person pushing it is higher ranked than you.

You have no idea what it takes to get that military you want to have.
Are DEI and woke things hurting the military? Yes.
Yet the Marines have exceeded numbers.
It is literally all about the ads and the culture.
Marines have the worse barracks, yet again, high retention.

Woke is hurtinf but not in the way you think, at least not at a large amount.
the new ads help the army a lot because it shows what the army really is. A life that is gonna be full of suck and fun.
embrace the suck because it pays off.

I want to ask.
What about our infantry, Armor, and our combat arms screams not gonna work?
our Pilots?
our marines?
navy you may have a point but again, need evidence.
because a supply clerk doesn't need to be a muscle bound corn fed guy.
Neithwr does your dental assistant, or your IT person.

look at the actual demographics and not just jump on "WOKE BULLSHIT!". Yes we have woke issues, but it isn't as bad as people seem to think.

I would hope the US military would be taking lessons from what is happening in Ukraine; if it wasn't, it'd be even stupider than it appears.

It is because we are actually preparing for war. Just because horrible PR gets out doesn't mean we arnt getting ready.

And the leaders won't do that if the rank and file don't put public pressure on them to do.

We go to our congresscritters and to thr IG. All we can do.

The 'political neutrality' farce that the DoD has pushed on the lower ranks is part of why the DoD is not respected like it once was. Everyone can see the bullshit game of the Left and powers in DC using the military 'neutrality' forced on lower ranks to stiffle large parts of the old base of the conservative parts of the US, while allowing Lefty causes to become the main recruitment and PR concerns for the Pentagon.

You mean the civlian leadership that is forcing this upon the military?
yes there are generals who may be showing jt, but you dont see generals pushing these wide spread things. Its the civulians doing it.
civilians are the reason for politics in the military.
let us fucking lead ourselves.

Though I guess it's gotten bad enough they had to do a static line jump out of a Chinook with all white dudes for the latest Army add, because the only TV ad where white males aren't shit on these days is the military recruiting ads. But then again, lots of white boys going to die for DC helps reduce the white male population, who are the main enemy of so many ideological groups who control DC.

except it isn't? Did you even see the whole ad.
It showed more then just white guys there....
Plus there are most likely white Hispanics on that bird eith hoe many Hispanics are in the army.
But hey, what do I know.
It isn't like I see the average ratio on a military base every fucking day.....

Also, look at all the new army ads. Diverse but not forcing the aspect of "you have to be diverse to be in".
just showing everyday life in the army for the most part.

It also helps the general depopulation goal of DC, which teh DoD also keeps trying to pretend doesn't exist. After all, admitting that the general lack of babies being born in the US is a bad thing, which would put the DoD on the 'wrong' side of the abortion debate.

I hate to defend the abortion thing because I despise it.
But the DoD isn't in the realm of depopulation outside of the abortion issue.
If they were, we wouldn't be investing in making war safer for the service members.
We would be investing in waves like the Russians.

The DoD/military want to have their cakes and eat them too, all while ignoring/being ordered to ignore that their leaders are all parading around doing their level best to fucking depopulatate their own recruitment pool.

they arnt trying to depopulte it.
like fucking hell.

understand that life in the military has none of these ideals getting pushed and stop sucking off the political moves of bith sides demoralizing you.

Corpo overlord cannot stop-loss you, or force you to return to the company in the event of an emergency.

Hahahahaha. Tell that to Amazon....

Also, corpo's are far more publicly accountable than the DoD is, and that's not going to change.

Hahahahaha. Tell that to Apple (Foxxcon) Amazon, Walmart....

Also, there is such a thing as independent contractors/self-employment too; but that sort of independent entrepreneurial spirit is not really valued by the DoD, who most want good cogs in the machine and yesmen for the powers in DC.

You do know that contractors are heavily used by the military? And the reading you can't have self employed in the military is because the government has to trust you won't bail the second they need your services.

If it wasn't for Justice Thomas and Alito, the republic the DoD defends would already be lost completely, and the DoD doesn't want to deal with the whole depopulation issue as it relates to recruiting either, because it touches the abortion debate.

Explain this depopulation thing..is it the abortion thing?
If so, that is because of the leftist policies and claiming that it is depopulation of the recruiting base is stupid.
It is depopulation mainly of the black community do to thier rampant use of it.
I don't agree with the military allowing it.
But I don't even think the women's clinic on my base can do them

 

[Spartan303]

What are you asking of me @Zachowon?

 

[Bacle]

So, how is it thr DoDs fault that they can't control how the VA is.
No matter what the DoD does it won't change the VA.
It takes congress to do that....




Okay...but like i said.
i still get paid my base pay and even if i do lose BAH and BAS, whoch may not even happen if a ahutdown happend.
i can not be put into debt by any party because of it.
almost like I get a "I ain't getting paid so neither do you"
So that does hurt landlords that are renting from military....

That isn't at all how that works because guess what.
You don't have to take your family for one. And for two, you are given options most of the time.
Unless you specifically go needs of the Army, you arnt uprooted on the militaries whim. It's when you have been there for a long while and are often seeking to relocate.
There have been people in my unit for over 5 to 6 years....
I have been here for nearly three....

It's called DA salect for the Army. But every branch has it. Due to your NCOERs and or your branch, you are put on orders to be recruiters.
You do that for a few years and stay in some nice or horrible areas.
You are often given half a year to PCS.

The whole thing with families, is because of systems not being updated, families not being known about.
You just let them know get it amended and then boom.
Family comes woth.




The recruitment ads are not a congress thing...it's a Branch PR thing.
They are like everyone who advertises.
You make some bad ones, make some good ones. And adjust.....
And being a civie eith military family isnt the same. My wife is a civie and i talk to her about army stuff all the time but she doesnt understand any of it. But people like @Spartan303 @The Whispering Monk and @Tiamat Being a few, can help mke the point that therebis stkll a diffrence from being in it.
why do you think the SECARM is disliked by the soldiers. Because she has no military experience...

The reasons those ads arnt run...
Is because it would get no one to join.
do you know one of the first things you learn in the military? If things are going slow or not getting done.
go to congress. The whole Vanessa Guiane thing? That is how that happend....

And all ranks are supposed to be politically neutral. Even the highest.
and if the president was willing to charge any of them or congress was willing to charge any with treason. They can.....

I mean, I don't obey or trust politicians. Unless you mean the president, then I only have to do what he says if it isn't immoral, illegal, or unethical. No Congresscritter controls the military.
And guess what.
How much money does it take to go on a vacation in Europe for three years? As well as never having to pay rent, electric, or suffer from German laws? How about having unlimited access to American goods without having to ship it over seas?
I am getting paid...around 1500 a month to live in a foreign country, for free.


Does your office hob send you into the field to train and make sure you are ready for war? Have you been in mud above your ankles setting up cables and antennas?
Hundred degree weather with no access to AC?
shitty housing is the biggest issue, and even then, people make the most of it and find way to enjoy.
working though? Very few jobs will ever have the same working conditions as the military, because very few jobs in the military, especially Army and Marines, will have you NOT outside in the field...


You have no idea what it takes to get that military you want to have.
Are DEI and woke things hurting the military? Yes.
Yet the Marines have exceeded numbers.
It is literally all about the ads and the culture.
Marines have the worse barracks, yet again, high retention.

Woke is hurtinf but not in the way you think, at least not at a large amount.
the new ads help the army a lot because it shows what the army really is. A life that is gonna be full of suck and fun.
embrace the suck because it pays off.

I want to ask.
What about our infantry, Armor, and our combat arms screams not gonna work?
our Pilots?
our marines?
navy you may have a point but again, need evidence.
because a supply clerk doesn't need to be a muscle bound corn fed guy.
Neithwr does your dental assistant, or your IT person.

look at the actual demographics and not just jump on "WOKE BULLSHIT!". Yes we have woke issues, but it isn't as bad as people seem to think.


It is because we are actually preparing for war. Just because horrible PR gets out doesn't mean we arnt getting ready.


We go to our congresscritters and to thr IG. All we can do.

You mean the civlian leadership that is forcing this upon the military?
yes there are generals who may be showing jt, but you dont see generals pushing these wide spread things. Its the civulians doing it.
civilians are the reason for politics in the military.
let us fucking lead ourselves.

except it isn't? Did you even see the whole ad.
It showed more then just white guys there....
Plus there are most likely white Hispanics on that bird eith hoe many Hispanics are in the army.
But hey, what do I know.
It isn't like I see the average ratio on a military base every fucking day.....

Also, look at all the new army ads. Diverse but not forcing the aspect of "you have to be diverse to be in".
just showing everyday life in the army for the most part.


I hate to defend the abortion thing because I despise it.
But the DoD isn't in the realm of depopulation outside of the abortion issue.
If they were, we wouldn't be investing in making war safer for the service members.
We would be investing in waves like the Russians.


they arnt trying to depopulte it.
like fucking hell.

understand that life in the military has none of these ideals getting pushed and stop sucking off the political moves of bith sides demoralizing you.

Hahahahaha. Tell that to Amazon....

Hahahahaha. Tell that to Apple (Foxxcon) Amazon, Walmart....

You do know that contractors are heavily used by the military? And the reading you can't have self employed in the military is because the government has to trust you won't bail the second they need your services.

Explain this depopulation thing..is it the abortion thing?
If so, that is because of the leftist policies and claiming that it is depopulation of the recruiting base is stupid.
It is depopulation mainly of the black community do to thier rampant use of it.
I don't agree with the military allowing it.
But I don't even think the women's clinic on my base can do them

I mean the DoD is acting as if the civil government's depopulation schemes don't factor into recruitment shortfalls, not just internal abortion issues (which are a peripheral part of the whole depopulation angle).

Has the DoD or Pentagon ever been willing to say to Congress "Why are you making it so we have fewer and fewer people to recruit from going forward period, with your anti-natal policies?"

 

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civil government's depopulation schemes

what