Military US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism
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See, that would require conditions in the military and military benefits to be something they want to be honest about.
They don't, they want to keep feeding the propaganda lines and pretending to listen to people outside the military while getting asskissed/gaslit by subordinates about what will and won't work for recruiting these days.
The article says the Army are literally just going to recycle the 'Be all you can be.' slogan again in a new propaganda push/recruiting drive, and once again ignore that they keep just reverting to methods that have already tried and failed to fix the recruiting problem before.
It's like they hope the new generation of youth simply won't know about the old campaign that used the same slogan.
Notice you say 18 yo's help the military, not the other way around; recruiting people who do not know better and exploiting that ignorance is part of why the military has such shit recruiting PR, and why so many people despise recruiters and cut their access to kids when ever possible.
Even if they aren't they get free money for education
Ixian
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Yeah, the problem is they don't want to provide those benefits, nor improve the working conditions.
The military, despite their complaints about how hard recruiting has become and how bad retention rates are, don't actually want to fix anything causing those problems. They seem far more interesting in making the military a "safe space" for people with two moms or men who think they are women.
I think at this rate the only service who's recruiters aren't despised by most adults and people who deal with kids is the Coast Guard.
And that's only because the CG is directly valuable to civies in a way most of the rest of the services just aren't. It's not Army or Air Force that pull people off sinking crab boats.
Edit: the Coasties also don't have to lie nearly as much to recruits about their service to get people to join, and teh Coasties have much better QOL than the other services.
And that's only because the CG is directly valuable to civies in a way most of the rest of the services just aren't. It's not Army or Air Force that pull people off sinking crab boats.
Edit: the Coasties also don't have to lie nearly as much to recruits about their service to get people to join, and teh Coasties have much better QOL than the other services.
Looks back at my duties of rescuing people in harms way at sea. What we Sailors of the Naval Boat Units in the Carribbean are chopped liver now? The Coast Guard was not the only service pulling people out of the drink. They just got all the press.
Don't know what to tell you, talk to the Navy PR people about why that is.
Plus, well, it ain't Navy Boat Squads doing work on the Bering Sea and fairly regularly showing up on Deadliest Catch.
Alright let me out it this way.
The military is generally a place that can help people from bad areas get out of there. Helps people able to better themselves and get experience in a field without having to be turned down because if the lack of it at the age of 18.
Sure money isn't the best, but 20 to 50k bonus upon singing? Wish I had that. I got 1k. Add in the fact that if you live in the barracks you get access to the DFAC for food.
You get truly free Healthcare. It isn't the best, but hell. They will help you woth what ever medical issue you got. An NCO I had got Cancer treatment through the Army.
Add in free dental and it is nice.
You get actual opportunities to see the world, for free. I spent my first year outside of AIT in Korea. Loved it.
I get truly free education and it is even looked at as a good thing.
I get the chance to do things most will never get to do and get paid to do it.
Yes there are horrible things about the military, but stability is one thing that is fir sure. At least if you are 18.
It is also a chance to allow people to get away from horrible family.
Instance, we have a guy in my unit who basically grew up in a cult. Dude joined to escape and has gotten better. He is having a rough time but getting better.
Another has never been alone his whole life and is adjusting heavily.
The military helps those thag want to be able to get a step up in life without having to worry about losing everything because of increasing debt.
Also, the military also has certain debt forgiveness.
To add a cherry on top of it all. You can make friends for life from all locks of life ans diffrent race, creed, ethnicity, political party, and have someone you know has your back.
I think you are letting your opinion of the military in general cloud what the article is really about. It's not exactly random average parents who are noted as complaining.
I think it's quite clearly pointing at the school officials and company not liking military recruitment while being welcoming to other kinds of recruiters of far more questionable aim, as those are their personal political views, and also not shying away from spreading those opinions to their students, who they clearly would prefer to get recruited by said other kinds of recruiters.
The other layer of irony is that this is happening in Chicago, you know, a democrat run city famous for its ironic nickname of "Chiraq" and the fact that statistically US soldiers deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan had a significantly lower chance of getting killed than they would if they were denizen of some neighborhoods of that city.
Violence in some Chicago neighborhoods puts young men at greater risk than U.S. troops faced in Iraq, Afghanistan war zones, study finds
The researchers say their findings point to a need for more trauma-related health care in those places, especially in the West Side ZIP code 60624.
chicago.suntimes.com
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Oh, I am aware of the location and Chiraq's rep.I think you are letting your opinion of the military in general cloud what the article is really about. It's not exactly random average parents who are noted as complaining.
I think it's quite clearly pointing at the school officials and company not liking military recruitment while being welcoming to other kinds of recruiters of far more questionable aim, as those are their personal political views, and also not shying away from spreading those opinions to their students, who they clearly would prefer to get recruited by said other kinds of recruiters.
The other layer of irony is that this is happening in Chicago, you know, a democrat run city famous for its ironic nickname of "Chiraq" and the fact that statistically US soldiers deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan had a significantly lower chance of getting killed than they would if they were denizen of some neighborhoods of that city.
Violence in some Chicago neighborhoods puts young men at greater risk than U.S. troops faced in Iraq, Afghanistan war zones, study finds
The researchers say their findings point to a need for more trauma-related health care in those places, especially in the West Side ZIP code 60624.
Doesn't change that this is hardly an isolated incident, as the article noted the Secretary saw this sort of thing repeated across the nation.
The military recruiters want more access to kids who may not know better, and who they probably won't volunteer unflattering info about military life too, and are being stopped by school board members (who tend to be parents, who'd have thought) and other adults who still remember things the kids are to young to have lived through.
The military frankly needs to get the fuck out of schools, just like woke shit needs to be ejected from them; neither should have access to kids who may not know better.
Frankly I just look at the way the military has treated its people historically. Stuff like the cases of black mold in housing being ignored and gaslit about, or more recently with the covid vaccine mandates. Not to mention how the VA treats people. It's frankly disgusting how this country will use people up and then cast them aside like garbage. That needs to change before they worry about recruitment numbers.
Hmm, the mentioned teacher's unions are also nationwide... Coincidence?
It does raise a good issue of what kinds of movements should be getting prime access to under 18's ears in schools to plant questionable suggestions in them and who should decide who is allowed to do it, however the military is far from the worst offenders now in terms of movements and organizations trying to do it.
Valid ones to mention.
Black mold.
Though bases are being forced to rebuild said barracks that have those
Uh, the national memory of Veitnam, Iraq, and A-stan don't need the teachers unions to keep them around, and you completely ignore the role of parents n the school board who can remember Veitnam, Iraq, and A-stan just as well as anyone.
However, restricting ideologues or recruiters for any organization or movement from schools, and punishing teachers who try to push it themselves, would not be the worst idea.
Recruiters will never voluntarily put forward any info that makes the service they work for look bad, will try to massage away or deflect issues instead of admitting they cannot do anything about them, and they get bonus's for everyone person they sign, so it is very much in the kids interests for parents and schools to restrict access for recruiters.
The military can recruit from colleges, but need to get the fuck out of grade schools.
Edit: The military continuing to be puzzled people remember and consider Veitnam when trying to protect their kids from recruiters show's just how blind the DoD's recruitment side is to the reasons they are despised by a lot of civies.
Bassoe
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The other Groomers.
caitlinjohnstone.substack.com
Military Groomers Are Increasingly Infiltrating US High Schools
Listen to a reading of this article: Protect your kids. A New York Times report has found that enrollment in the Junior Reserve Officers’ Training Corps (JROTC), a Pentagon-funded program designed to groom children for military service, is increasingly becoming mandatory in US high schools.
caitlinjohnstone.substack.com
You do know that most people in college go Officer right because that is more appealing to college people.
And people often go into yhe military because it offers free college before they go.
And Bacle, have you ever talked to recruiters who actually care about thier job?
Because do you have any actual experience with anything military outside of what you hear on media?
And you do know that the stuff for Vietnam was more akin to that of the media and the country turning its back on the soldiers.
I work woth guys straight out of high-school.
The military offers better chances for them to he able to start ahead of thier peers even for one contract.
A soldier who for instance, does 17C. Right out of high-school.
Boom, ethical hacker and a whole bunch of certs, for free.
We have high-school to flight school. Boom, free pilots license.
Military is more interesting for highschoolers then college because it allows them to get ahead of peers for less money spent and most likely more money gained...
Edit: hell, recruiting college students is part of why the military has had woke issues.
Apparently the average parents aren't even on the radar there, only teacher's unions and a particular kind of activist parents. Look at the issues raised...
My point exactly. But apparently the interest in that is not big, it's just people with lots of power in schools wanting to remove those they don't like and invite far more questionable ones instead as they like those.
Will recruiters of any profession, movement or organization ever do that?
For one, in case of military specifically, looks like the teachers and many others are just lining up to tell them the other side of the story.
On the other hand, will teachers who advocate for colleges and certain kind of courses do that?
I think military recruiters are a complete non-issue compared to the internal problem US education system has with activist teacher base's "who will guard the guards" style problem.
So where are they supposed to recruit the enlisted? People in colleges are interested in finishing the college and are going to be hardly interested in enlisted work due to the qualifications they are just in process of getting for money already spent there if nothing else.
Military kinda needs to have lots of enlisted personnel, any military, ever.
Dude, Vietnam was almost 60 years ago. More than Vietnam was separated from friggin WW1. Lots have changed in warfare since then. Nevermind that the most unpopular deal with Vietnam was draftees, not recruitment.
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Ixian
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1. A signup bonus is in no way a guaranteed thing, in fact I've met far more enlisted guys who were LIED to about a signing bonus, than actually received one.
2. The Barracks are on average, completely dogshit. If it were a motel, you wouldn't pay to be there, there are rare exceptions, San Diego, Hawaii, but they are absolutely exceptions.
3. The food, is also uniformly pretty garbage, additional, it isn't free, they take several hundred dollars from each of your paychecks for that food, no, you don't get to opt out
4. "Free Healthcare" = Doc telling to drink more water and have an ibuprofen, for literally everything unless you are on the actual brink of death.
5. Getting to see the world depends a lot on your rate or mos. That isn't a guarantee, and even if you do get to "see the world" a lot of the time you won't have any time to enjoy it.
6. Yeah, the GI Bill or Post 9/11 Bill can be nice, don't forget to read the fine print on the deal.
9. It's stable until there is a government shutdown, or the supply officer "forgets" to set up the absentee ballots system.
Really the military has a quality of life issue, it isn't pay competitive, and has continually gotten worse over the last few decades.
Hey some Barracks are pretty good.
This was the Barracks I lived in at Navsta Roosevelt Roads.
I got a 1 grand bonus, but that was before they were desperate. And it does depend in MOS. The ones that have big bucks are either combat arms or the rare ones.
But you still often get bonus from 1 grand up to 50.
If it is in thier contract they are entitled to one. Did they ever actually try amd get it or did they think it would be aut9matic upon completion of AIT?
uh.. you would be surprised. There are barracks ok Fort Hood that are nice as hell. Believe it or not, most barrracks are nice. And okes that arnt are getting torn down and redone. I am literally wathing it happen every day i go to work.
I know this. You are acting like i dont know what i am talking about.
i am in the fucking army.
and tour right you dont get to opt out. But most DFACs are not bad, in fact they are pretty good and have what is needed for a balanced meal.
hell, i see soldiers who are not married bringing it in every morning.
I was in Korea getting DFAC food. It wasn't diffrent from here at Hood
eh, again a meme not true. Basically, what ever you have that they can diagnose you with they will get what you need. You need to be proactive when doing it though, and they are often months away. One of my NCOs broke his thumb doing something stupid. The Army paid for everything for it. He did it in his off time as well.
Another one had an issue from deployment, and the Army didn't just say here's some motrine.
It was literally something that couldn't be seen and they got him the surgery.
My chief gets back injections.
the thing is, document every injury. Because you will get treatment for it. You just have to be persistent and not just drag your feet.
you have to be a grownup
not true at all. You literally get to travel all the time for TDY, and then you can also renelist for over seas duty stations.
You get to do all sorts of things. So yeah.
Idk what the hell your talking about.
what fine print are you talking about?
That you have to serve so long? I am also talking in the military. You get TA, which is actual free college. Just make sure you are doing how much it is and not more or you oay jt yourself or pull from GI bill...
Uh what?
you do know that you do kot have to go through anything for the absentee except your state.
and it isnt supply that does it. It is who ever is designated as the Voting person. And all theu do is say "Hey, here is how you do it...
like that's it.
And yeah, that is the only tuing, and even then if you are living in the barracks you are literally perfectly fine. The DFAC still functions. The Army still runs.
I mean, eh. It is better then living with your parents getting no experience outside of retail or spending thousands of dollars and getting told you should be hated in college.
And you can get a trade and all the certs for that without spending a penny either.
Pay isn't, and you are right.
I, since I am married, get BAH and BAS. Both are Tax free.