UK Gov. Dumps Huawei

[Navarro]

HUGE: The UK Just Dumped China's Huawei in 5G Tech Roll-Out — Citing its Lies Over Coronavirus.

pjmedia.com

Western democracies, especially the United States, just heaved a huge sigh of relief after getting word that United Kingdom PM Boris Johnson is dropping the controversial Chinese tech company, Huawei, as the nation's provider of 5G infrastructure.
Although Johnson was in support of the Chinese tech giant laying the non-sensitive portions of 5G infrastructure, he said China's lack of transparency about coronavirus made the communist-run country untrustworthy.


President Trump, Attorney General William Barr, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and members of the so-called "Five-Eyes" countries that share intelligence information, brought huge pressure on the Brits to dump Huawei. The U.S. pressed hard for the UK to dump Huawei because of widespread speculation that China would use the 5G infrastructure to spy and use the remote command structure for blackmail.[

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The Tory Conservative party began a serious effort to claw back the contract from Huawei after seeing the communist nation's response to the coronavirus pandemic, its failure to report about the rampant virus, attempts to corner the market on protective hospital clothing, and realizing that key medications needed for survival were sourced and made in China.

Given the Chinese government's recent behaviour in relationship to the pandemic, in my opinion this is a positive move.

 

[TyrantTriumphant]

Thank God. Giving that to Huawei would have been a disaster. Boris's administration is shaky enough without that kind of trouble.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

They haven't actually dropped Huawei yet. It is becoming much more likely that they will but, as far as I can tell, BoJo hasn't come out and said that they are dumping Huawei.

Considering that a UK ban on Huawei would need to get through Parliament, if BoJo doesn't support the ban then it won't pass.

What has happened is that it has become much less likely that allowing Huawei into 5G could get passed Parliament, even with BoJo's support.

 

[Jormungandr]

I really hope this will come to pass.

5G and Huawei is literally inviting a hostile house-guest (yes, I do consider the Chinese government and its enabled supporters as a bunch of lying, cheating, duplicitous bastards) in for tea, while said house-guest tries to get your Wi-Fi password, look for vulnerabilities in your security so they can come back later "quietly", and try a whole other ton of shady shit.

 

[Tiamat]

Let's hope they follow through, because cyberwarfare is the next emerging theater of conflict along with everything else, if not already. And Huawei strikes me as one big nasty Trojan Horse.

 

[DarthOne]

Fingers crossed!

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I really hope this will come to pass.

5G and Huawei is literally inviting a hostile house-guest (yes, I do consider the Chinese government and its enabled supporters as a bunch of lying, cheating, duplicitous bastards) in for tea, while said house-guest tries to get your Wi-Fi password, look for vulnerabilities in your security so they can come back later "quietly", and try a whole other ton of shady shit.

They've been doing that for years, letting them en masse violate "Guest Rights" and have their way with people in the House and punishing those who speak up or denying it ever happened

Unless you got a sudden strong sense of nationalism and an ability to see reason, governments will let this occur en masse

 

[LordsFire]

If the UK wants to continue to exist as a nation with even a semblance of freedom, they cannot rely on the Chi-Coms to produce their next-generation infrastructure. It'd be like the US asking the Soviet Union to expand Arpanet into the Internet in the 80's.

The UK already has enough problems without that.

 

[Cherico]

If the UK wants to continue to exist as a nation with even a semblance of freedom, they cannot rely on the Chi-Coms to produce their next-generation infrastructure. It'd be like the US asking the Soviet Union to expand Arpanet into the Internet in the 80's.

The UK already has enough problems without that.

It gets worse for them, The UK had no choice but to leave the EU with no deal. From there the UK had to choose between entering an alliance with the US and entering recession or not having our help and entering a depression. The US is blocking Huawai because yes they do work for the Chinese government doing espionage related activities. So the economic deal with the us which the UK needs to avoid complete economic disaster came with screwing Huawi as part of the deal.

Parlament will support the measure because they know the economic conquences that will happen if they don't scrap it.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Parliament will support the measure because they know the economic conquences that will happen if they don't scrap it.

China may in their eyes be “too big to fail” like a bunch of other companies that decided to follow insane SJW trends, though

What alternatives are there to Huawei though?

 

[Cherico]

China may in their eyes be “too big to fail” like a bunch of other companies that decided to follow insane SJW trends, though

What alternatives are there to Huawei though?

British companies, American companies, Japanese and European companies.


The most likely option is that a british tech company gets the deal and lots of money from the country to make it happen but there is the possibility that another country will be given the option.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

British companies, American companies, Japanese and European companies.


The most likely option is that a british tech company gets the deal and lots of money from the country to make it happen but there is the possibility that another country will be given the option.

Okay, though I think there’s a mentality to factor in

Specificially the whole thing about how great and much of a leader China is in-terms of technological and economic advancement

It maybe to the point that even the most corrupt businessmen and politicians genuinely believe that stuff

It is within this decade that past paradigms and thoughts are being challenged regarding China, Globalism, the EU, Democratic Socialism etc

 

[Sailor.X]

Obligatory Huawei Meme.

 

[Marduk]

It gets worse for them, The UK had no choice but to leave the EU with no deal. From there the UK had to choose between entering an alliance with the US and entering recession or not having our help and entering a depression. The US is blocking Huawai because yes they do work for the Chinese government doing espionage related activities. So the economic deal with the us which the UK needs to avoid complete economic disaster came with screwing Huawi as part of the deal.

Oh its worse than just that. Any major company operating in China, whoever owns it, needs to have a "party organization" in it, which both propagandizes for CCP among the workforce and tries to wield political influence over its business operations, with varying levels of success.

Exclusive: In China, the Party’s push for influence inside foreign firms stirs fears

Late last month, executives from more than a dozen top European companies in China met in Beijing to discuss their concerns about the growing role of the ruling Communist Party in the local operations of foreign firms, according to three people with knowledge of the discussions...

www.reuters.com

Companies in China, including foreign firms, are required by law to establish a party organization, a rule that had long been regarded by many executives as more symbolic than anything to worry about.

One senior executive whose company was represented at the meeting told Reuters some companies were under “political pressure” to revise the terms of their joint ventures with state-owned partners to allow the party final say over business operations and investment decisions.

Long story short, this is mandatory by law, and the "party organizations" tend to lean in for more power over business decisions wherever they are (probably semi-formally but very much approved by the party), while obviously being in contact with their higher ups that may inflict "consequences" on the company if it doesn't bend enough .
In effect, it makes such companies into potential economic instruments of PRC's foreign policy.
So far i haven't heard of western governments taking any appropriate countermeasures nor response for this - like for example requiring an intelligence officer of said government present in any company that has such a mandatory party organization and operates in that western country - to supervise the activities of obvious CCP agents in it and whether they are using the company against the national security interests of said country, or better yet, have powers identical to the "party organization".
That would put such companies in a really nasty bind, particularly discouraging the Chinese ones, but hey, that's a feature, not a bug, and it's all fair and proportional.

 

[Deleted member]

Red China is trying to create dependency on its companies to use as future diplomatic leverage, and that’s just a fact.

 

[Cherico]

Red China is trying to create dependency on its companies to use as future diplomatic leverage, and that’s just a fact.

then I suppose its a really good thing that so many of their company products are so badly made.

 

[Jormungandr]

then I suppose its a really good thing that so many of their company products are so badly made.

I think the GLA's stuff from Command and Conquer: Generals has a better shelf-life than real-life China's products. Ironic, given in-game China has some pretty good, if older, stuff.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

then I suppose its a really good thing that so many of their company products are so badly made.

I thought that was part of the appeal, extremely cheap and mass produced and the result of constantly breaking copyright laws

And if they break, you can buy another