Middle East Turkey Reneges on Baltic Defense Pact

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Turkey reneges on NATO’s Baltic defense plan to extort US concessions in Syria - DEBKAfile

In another anti-US provocation, President Recep Erdogan ordered the Turkish ambassador to NATO to withhold signature on Wednesday, Nov. 27,
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A senior NATO official who opted to stay anonymous slammed Erdogan’s ultimatum: “The Turks are taking eastern Europeans hostage, blocking approval of this military planning until they get concessions,” he said.
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After such a long history of positive engagement between Eastern Europe and Turkey... to see it turn down this path... clearly unprecedented. :unsure:
 
Big Steve said:
Controlling the Aegean with Turkey on Russia's side would be the problem, I suspect. It's not just the Black Sea Fleet you're facing, it's also air units ranging out of Turkish air bases, with the complete support of Turkey's own forces.
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Turkey is already on Russia's side, so the point is moot.

All we are doing by leaving the nukes in Turkey and allowing them to remain in NATO is hugging a viper to our chest. Better to end the charade on our terms, rather than allow Erdogan to continue this bullshit. Poland and the Baltic's are worthwhile allies, Turkey is most certainly not.
 
PsihoKekec said:
Unprecedented? Erdogan previously threathened EU with millions of immigrants if he didn't get what he wanted and continues to use them as political weapon. He will use any leverage he can, to get what he wants, consequences for others be damned.
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Oh it was more of a joke considering how bloody the history between Turkey/the Ottoman Empire and Eastern Europe actually has been since like... forever. :p
 
Bacle said:
Time to eject Turkey from NATO, and get our troops out of that place.

Greece is a dependable ally, and right next door. We don't need to control the Bosporus to keep the Black Sea Fleet bottled up, if we can control the Aegen.
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If we're going to kick Turkey out, be prepared for Trump to have to do it by himself; and for the rest of our political "elites" to respond by accusing him of ushering in the Apocalypse.
 
Erdogan holds EU hostage with millions of immigrants he can unleash, so he can force the countries to vote against expulsion of Turkey from NATO.
 
Over 300 years of Turkish history revolves around one singular idea.

The Turks cant trust the Russians, if Endrogan wants to undo that plank of Turkish policy he's welcome to do so.

Just be prepared for Istanbul to get its name changed again.
 
Big Steve said:
Controlling the Aegean with Turkey on Russia's side would be the problem, I suspect. It's not just the Black Sea Fleet you're facing, it's also air units ranging out of Turkish air bases, with the complete support of Turkey's own forces.
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That's where formalities and reality collide.
Formally, Turkey is still in NATO and is its ally.
In reality, Turkey is going its own way and playing Russia and the rest of NATO against each other, picking the most convenient offer at the moment.
The S-400 choice was a long term commitment that to someone not familiar with military matters would seem like a piece of trade and technical trivia, but to someone who is, it made it clear that Turkey can no longer be counted as a reliable ally when it comes to a potential conflict with Russia - because a country that is one would not commit to using Russian designed, made and serviced strategic air defense system for several next decades, as that is not the kind of air defense system one wants to have if the main challenger for your air defense is the Russian air force.
So, whose air force is Turkey *really* worrying about if it's not the Russian one?
As such, can Turkey be trusted to side with NATO if it comes to a conflict with Russia?
With said technological dependence on Russia, can Turkey do that effectively at this point even if it wants to?
Or is it just going to leave NATO and declare neutrality the moment it happens, or worse, let Russian forces use its airspace and cross the Bosphorus at will?
Bacle said:
Turkey is already on Russia's side, so the point is moot.

All we are doing by leaving the nukes in Turkey and allowing them to remain in NATO is hugging a viper to our chest. Better to end the charade on our terms, rather than allow Erdogan to continue this bullshit. Poland and the Baltic's are worthwhile allies, Turkey is most certainly not.
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Turkey is the second largest army in NATO and holds a major strategic location, so i would not call it an unworthwhile ally. The question here is whether Turkey can still be considered an ally, formalities of being in NATO aside. Lately it's not acting like one in ways that go beyond talk and bluster...
 
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Captain X said:
I really think that at the very least we better remove our nukes in case the shit hits the fan and Turkey tries to seize them or something.
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That would be a major tell that the US is considering to remove Turkey from NATO though. I guess it would work as a threat without outright kicking Turkey out of NATO. Although I guess it's better to have a competent enemy rather than an incompetent or untrustworthy ally. I guess Greece would be reinforced, they could use the stimulus.
 
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