United States Trump v Biden 2, electric boogaloo
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Let April 8th be the MAGA Day of Visibility!
Poe
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The economist has been really vocal about the likelihood of Trump becoming president. Listened to a free episode of their america focused show today where they stated repeatedly they believe at least the Senate will flip red (thinly) and that Dems winning the house is an uphill battle. They ended the show saying a Republican trifecta is likely and much, much more likely than a democratic victory. God I hope they're right.
Let April 8th be the MAGA Day of Visibility!
Bigking321
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Well... without cheating it would be a red sweep.
...but we have blatant cheating so who knows.
Honestly, I feel that the dems have gone too far and can't allow a non corrupt republican ever again. Whatever it takes.
...but we have blatant cheating so who knows.
Honestly, I feel that the dems have gone too far and can't allow a non corrupt republican ever again. Whatever it takes.
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Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
This election is definitely becoming the flashpoint for the second American civil war.
I kind of doubt that.
The american people are angry yes but that anger is not hate, its more a general feeling of being miffed. I don't see the kind of seething hate where people go out and do that.
Remember before the original civil war there were a bunch of flash points that just fizzled out not leading to war, and I think this conflict will be much the same.
Honestly I think were at the point were peaceful reform of the system is still possible yes quite a few big names would have to go to prison and thousands of people not only fired but barred from public service but it is possible.
Terthna
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Even with cheating, it might not be enough. Biden didn't win by much in 2020, and now he's much more of a known quantity to voters; so the Democrats will have a much harder time getting legitimate votes this time around. Which itself will be much more difficult this time around; because they have neither a pandemic, nor the element of surprise on their side in 2024. Whatever they try to pull, people will be expecting it.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
They also had 4 years of Orange man bad propaganda last time around. This time we have had 4 years of the Bidens regimes major fuck ups. The three biggest being the botched Afganistan withdrawal, The war in Ukraine and finally the border invasion.
Bigking321
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Add inflation to that. Everything costs more.
Please don' help make some sort of self-fulfilling prophecy, you as well as I know that if enough people start thinking it will happen herd mentality will ensure it will, some of us are just trying to enjoy our lives what will happen, will happen, we don't need to be helping it along especially if it's bad for all of us.
People said as much during the english civil war.
The opinions of the regular people were meaningless the opinoins of the cavalers and roundheads mattered a whole lot more.
Poe
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Nah, this is a cope. We lost last time because Trump focused on all the wrong things and all of his talking points were clearly prepared for a battle with Bernie Sanders. Trump had no narrative last time, he expected to waltz into victory, and he might have if it weren't the case that the whole country was locked down and would do anything to get on with their lives.
I'm sick of the election deniers who will only let us lose more with their annoying defeatist cope because in their eyes no mistakes were made. Trump may say one thing but I'm currently working in the political campaign space and trust me, he learned a shit ton after his defeat and he has a great narrative and has bought all the right influencers to win this time.
Bigking321
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No, they definitely cheated. Tons of evidence and discrepancies.
If you think 20 and 22 were perfectly fine elections and had no shenanigans, that's fine.
I respectfully disagree.
If you think 20 and 22 were perfectly fine elections and had no shenanigans, that's fine.
I respectfully disagree.
DarthOne
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“The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.”
Poe
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Nah, both Left and Right use voter suppression/fraud as copes for their losses instead of asking why the people rejected them. Neither is a serious problem. You may be in a bubble but I personally know over a dozen people who registered to vote specifically to vote against Trump that year, every one of which regrets it and is planning to vote for Trump this year. People who think Biden couldn't get that many votes legitimately are inside a crazy bubble because I couldn't go out for a beer without hearing about politics by the time covid hit and it only got worse from there.
Did I say it was not possible? No. Your are right a Civil conflict is probably a given within the next forty years, but even if it is that doesn't mean we shouldn't actively wish or desire for it nor help it along.
You want to laugh in my face @DarthOne or @TerrificWarden well when such a scenario happens, and your families are halved due to a lack of food, political violence or disease from a lack of medication I hope you fools will look back on it and say their sacrifice was worth it.
I myself don't want to see a thing like that in my lifetime even if you could somehow guarantee a perfect utopian existence on the other side of that septic tank.
Cherry Picking much? Civil conflicts happen for a plethora of reasons but there is always buildup and tension are always present, do you honestly think a civil conflict is guaranteed if a bunch of politicians stand up and openly proclaim it when no atmosphere or drive for it exist?
Bottom line Civil Wars are terrible and if they happen fine, but in saying things like carrot you only are facilitating an atmosphere which could help ignite a spark and if you are willingly aware of that and still doing it the consequences after will always be on their hands.
Now please get back to the discussion this isn't the right thread for this subject.
Poe
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This isn't collusion even if it is true. I'm sure Russia does want a second Trump presidency in the same way France wants a second Biden term. Either neither one is collusion or both are, if Trump wants to drop NATO and be allies with Russia (which I seriously doubt) that is his right as an American and if he's elected and chooses to push for that that is not "collusion" nor is it wrong by definition.
Terthna
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Sounds to me like you're the one here who's coping, because you want to believe that your vote is inviolable; but the facts don't support that assertion. Extensive vote fraud did happen in the 2020 election; and if you think Biden legitimately set the record for the most votes for a US presidential candidate, then you're delusional.
Poe
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Any candidate running against Trump that year would have set the record. You act like the record is some crazy thing when the person who got the second number of votes in US history was Donald Trump that same year, and it was only a couple of million less. I'm not delusional, I just don't live in a right wing bubble and understand how psyoped the entire country was at that time and I witnessed with my own eyes droves of people register to vote specifically against Trump. Every single person under the age of 30 had insane TDS and the whole nation just wanted the bs to end.
Seriously the only delusional people are the ones who think a president can reign during a national lockdown, an economic collapse and have his own parties apparatus turn against him to sink him, literally admit all of this, and then cope by saying they then needed voter fraud to beat him. The DNC and (and what would become the Lincoln Project) burned so much political capital during those 4 years, especially the last one, that it's a serious miracle and testament to Trump he got as many votes as he did. And when he wins again this november, because none of those things are currently happening, it will be because the american people voted for it because there is no widespread voter fraud happening in the US. If you knew anything at all about how elections were conducted, not what you've read on conspiracy twitter, you would know this because every single count is hounded by partisans from across the board.
But there's no point in arguing with people who believe this, luckily (and thank god!) Trump doesn't actually believe this nonsense and has reflected on why he lost that year and has corrected basically every aspect of his failed 2020 campaign.
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