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I honestly don't think he was that great at draining the swamp.

He trusted that the Republican party would be fully behind him so he had the establishment sabotaging him constantly at every level.

What he was good at was revealing how corrupt everything actually was and showing who the bad actors really were. That's no small thing. He was so effective at it they dropped all pretenses of being good actors and did utterly blatant stuff that woke up a lot of people.

And if he gets a second term I have absolutely no doubt he will be much more effective since he will have every reason in the world to go absolute scorched earth on everything in government.
 
Rocinante said:
It's actually the other way around.

Trump endorsements boost candidates.

Trump is now the GOP king maker.

The idea that the GOP carried HIM is hilarious. Myself and many others would have never voted for the establishment GOP. I didn't like Trump's personality, but it was his successful policy that made me voted for him.

Trump carried the GOP. Trump received more votes than any sitting president in history.

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Trump’s endorsements will remain a force within the GOP, new study says

Trump’s backing would make Republicans more likely to support his candidate, according to a new survey by researchers from Northeastern, Harvard, Northwestern, and Rutgers. Though some Republican lawmakers like Liz Cheney have moved away from him, the 45th president will continue to be a major...
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www.newsweek.com

McConnell Booed by CPAC Audience as Trump Takes Credit for His Reelection

"My endorsement of Mitch McConnell at his request... brought him from one point down to 20 points up and he won his race," former President Donald Trump said.
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Yeah, even though Trump lost in 2020, he was able to do something rather incredible in 2016: Specifically become the first GOP presidential candidate since the 1980s to get over 300 electoral votes! Dubya certainly wasn't able to do this either time, after all.

Rocinante said:
Generally there aren't so many election related shenanigans causing so many people to doubt the validity of the election.
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What about 2000?
 
strunkenwhite said:
Gore had influence but I don't recall anything on the level of what Trump has. Although I guess I would agree that Gore could most likely have had a rematch against Bush if he'd tried for it.
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Yeah, I think that Trump's level of influence is greater. Gore was unable to deliver the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination to Howard Dean, after all. Still, as you said, given the memories of the 2000 election and the weak Democratic field in 2004, I think that the Democratic nomination that year was Gore's for the taking had he actually wanted it. And maybe he would have actually wanted it had it not been for 9/11, which significantly derailed things by massively boosting Bush's popularity and making him a war president for the rest of his presidency.
 
Bigking321 said:
Sigh...

Like, Al Gore would have been much worse, but in hindsight I am starting to despise Bush.

Just a establishment hack who's legacy is more of hurting the conservative movement more than anything else. Friggin justice Roberts.

Just like McCain, Romney, McConnell and the rest.

Neo-cons suck...
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Conservatism, Inc. also sucks! :(
 
WolfBear said:
The conservative establishment:



americanmind.org

Dear Conservative, Inc.: Follow or Get Out of the Way

The New Right is the captain now.
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To be fair to the conservative establishment, they managed to survive in an environment where the left was being funded by a litteral superpower, the media was much smaller and very much even then in the dems pockets, and you didn't have conservative talk radio, fox news, or the internet to speak for people.

But the world has changed, and they need to go so that people with the skillset to deal with these problems can take over.
 
Cherico said:
To be fair to the conservative establishment, they managed to survive in an environment where the left was being funded by a litteral superpower, the media was much smaller and very much even then in the dems pockets, and you didn't have conservative talk radio, fox news, or the internet to speak for people.

But the world has changed, and they need to go so that people with the skillset to deal with these problems can take over.
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before Rush Limbaugh came around the media was even more of a propaganda piece for the left than even now...they may have come off as more moderate, but there just simply weren't right wing alternatives.

They're mostly all left these days, but you can still find lots of right wing personalities on YouTube and the likes.

Before Rush it was left wing and only left wing.
 
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