Transgender Rights

[evilchumlee]

Finally, I can't help but notice that within the space of this discussion you went from "that isn't happening, you're removed from reality" to "it is happening, and its a good thing". Classic leftist/sex cultist tactics.

Not really, it's a classic conservative twisting reality to fit what you want.

I've said this isn't being taught on in schools.

It's a book that is available in some libraries...

There's a pretty massive difference.

 

[Ixian]

Not really, it's a classic conservative twisting reality to fit what you want.

I've said this isn't being taught on in schools.

It's a book that is available in some libraries...

There's a pretty massive difference.

Right, super big difference. Absolutely ignores the fact that sex cultists are definitely teaching the same ideals as can be found in those books, a brief glance at Libs of TikTok and the many, many, leftist/sex cultist teachers say they will explicitly teach these things to children entrusted to their care will tell you that.

I have a feeling that this is something you and I aren't going to see eye to eye on. You want to die on the hill defending these sexual materials being made available to children? Be my guest, just keep in mind that you are part of the problem.

 

[evilchumlee]

I have a feeling that this is something you and I aren't going to see eye to eye on. You want to die on the hill defending these sexual materials being made available to children? Be my guest, just keep in mind that you are part of the problem.

You want to die on the hill of homophobia and wild conspiracy theories, restricting knowledge to make potentially dangerous activities safer? Be my guest, just keep in mind that you are part of the problem.

 

[The One Char]

You want to die on the hill of homophobia and wild conspiracy theories, restricting knowledge to make potentially dangerous activities safer? Be my guest, just keep in mind that you are part of the problem.

This thread is an ironically named archive of the fact that trash like you are enabling rape and pedophilia.

 

[Abhorsen]

Not really, it's a classic conservative twisting reality to fit what you want.

I've said this isn't being taught on in schools.

It's a book that is available in some libraries...

There's a pretty massive difference.

No, it wasn't 'just in libraries'. It was being listed as an option for kids to read by a middle school teacher, not just 'in a library'.

You want to die on the hill of homophobia and wild conspiracy theories, restricting knowledge to make potentially dangerous activities safer? Be my guest, just keep in mind that you are part of the problem.

It's not homophobia. Us Gays with a brain don't want that available to kids either.

 

[Ixian]

You want to die on the hill of homophobia and wild conspiracy theories, restricting knowledge to make potentially dangerous activities safer? Be my guest, just keep in mind that you are part of the problem.

Yup, in fact it's worse than you think.

Not only does my homophobia make me feel it's inappropriate to sexualize children, it also makes me sexually interested in both men and women! Clearly I have nothing but hate for the gay community.

 

[evilchumlee]

Not only does my homophobia make me feel it's inappropriate to sexualize children, it also makes me sexually interested in both men and women! Clearly I have nothing but hate for the gay community.

Self-loathing is a thing.

No, it wasn't 'just in libraries'. It was being listed as an option for kids to read by a middle school teacher, not just 'in a library'.

See that's the thing. I agree. That should not happen and... an overwhelming majority of the time, it's not.

"A" middle school teacher recommended the book. Yes, that singular incident is wrong.

If we could approach this reasonably and without the conservative conspiracy crisis triggering, it's much more constructive.

I 100% agree it should be actively taught to kids in school. And... it's not. Singular incidents should be dealt with as they occur.

I see no problem with the information being available in a library. The exact ages with access can be up for debate.

 

[Ixian]

Self-loathing is a thing.



See that's the thing. I agree. That should not happen and... an overwhelming majority of the time, it's not.

"A" middle school teacher recommended the book. Yes, that singular incident is wrong.

If we could approach this reasonably and without the conservative conspiracy crisis triggering, it's much more constructive.

I 100% agree it should be actively taught to kids in school. And... it's not. Singular incidents should be dealt with as they occur.

I see no problem with the information being available in a library. The exact ages with access can be up for debate.

Don't worry, I love myself.

I just hate the sex cult and think it's overdue for a severe cultural trimming.

 

[DarthOne]

Self-loathing is a thing.



See that's the thing. I agree. That should not happen and... an overwhelming majority of the time, it's not.

"A" middle school teacher recommended the book. Yes, that singular incident is wrong.

If we could approach this reasonably and without the conservative conspiracy crisis triggering, it's much more constructive.

I 100% agree it should be actively taught to kids in school. And... it's not. Singular incidents should be dealt with as they occur.

I see no problem with the information being available in a library. The exact ages with access can be up for debate.

It’s a hell of a lot more then just one teacher recommending those books. There have been multiple instances in multiple states.

 

[evilchumlee]

I just hate the sex cult and think it's overdue for a severe cultural trimming.

At some point, people overlap. I'm with you on that.

I think we more so don't align on just how severe the issue is. I think there's quite alot of something akin to "Satanic Panic" going on here, massively inflating the issue due to certain "news" outlets focusing on some outlier incidents.

 

[DarthOne]

At some point, people overlap. I'm with you on that.

I think we more so don't align on just how severe the issue is. I think there's quite alot of something akin to "Satanic Panic" going on here, massively inflating the issue due to certain "news" outlets focusing on some outlier incidents.

And people like me think you are ignorant and/or in denial over just how bad things really are.

 

[evilchumlee]

And people like me think you are ignorant and/or in denial over just how bad things really are.

I respect your right to your opinion.

 

[DarthOne]

I respect your right to your opinion.

That’s more then I get from some people.

 

[evilchumlee]

That’s more then I get from some people.

It's an emotionally and politically charged topic. People tend to lose their minds. I prefer to have a conversation. I don't want to just be surrounded by an echo chamber. I want different perspectives.

Even if I disagree, i'm still happy to have a conversation about it.

 

[mandragon]

... they start experimenting around that time? Middle schoolers are between the ages of 11 to 13. The only reason they would be "experimenting" is if they have been sexualized and groomed.

Ehh I started at 12 and wasn't exposed to Grooming or anything like that. Some kids simply mature faster then others, though in general your Lilley correct

 

[Ixian]

Ehh I started at 12 and wasn't exposed to Grooming or anything like that. Some kids simply mature faster then others, though in general your Lilley correct

I believe my definition of "experimenting" may be off. I wouldn't consider kissing or something on that level to be "experimenting". When I hear about sexual experimentation my initial assumption is that it's something beyond normal displays of affection.

I believe I was speaking too generally beforehand, and perhaps with a skewed understanding of "experimentation" as it was being used in the conversation.

 

[shangrila]

Lol the fuck? What fucked up definition are you using where Samurai are not nobles. Samurai are basically Japense knights how are knights not nobles?

Your knowledge of history is pretty fucking spotty not sure we can trust your takes.

Extreme off topic, but with multiple people being wrong on the internet, a response is warranted. The Samurai were a warrior class only the upper reaches of which can be compared to European nobility. Lower ranking Samurai possessed no lands and fought for a salary. Even with your pop culture comparisons to "knights", you might have watched enough Game of Thrones to know about the idea of hedge knights or household knights, do you consider those nobles too? How about U.S. Marines, their advertisements compare them to knights too, right?

Samurai also possessed no particular social prerogatives as a noble class equivalent should have until the Edo period. In large part of course, this is because Japan always had an actual noble class in the kuge, who gradually over many centuries lost control of their lands and wealth and power to their own military class, but retained the social distinctions of nobility.

 

[Abhorsen]

See that's the thing. I agree. That should not happen and... an overwhelming majority of the time, it's not.

"A" middle school teacher recommended the book. Yes, that singular incident is wrong.

It's happening more than rarely though. That's the thing.

I can cite many more examples of this.

Even with your pop culture comparisons to "knights", you might have watched enough Game of Thrones to know about the idea of hedge knights or household knights, do you consider those nobles too?

Literally yes. They were nobles. They weren't 'landed nobility'. But given that there's a turn of phrase for nobles that owned land, that implies that there are nobles that didn't. You know, like knights. They had a different set of rights than the peasants, and were above them. They had a title. It was hereditary. Similarly, Samurai was a hereditary position and greater rights than the peasant class, thus nobility.

The reason it doesn't work comparing them to US Marines is that we totally ditched all nobility.

 

[shangrila]

Literally yes. They were nobles. They weren't 'landed nobility'. But given that there's a turn of phrase for nobles that owned land, that implies that there are nobles that didn't. You know, like knights. They had a different set of rights than the peasants, and were above them. They had a title. It was hereditary. Similarly, Samurai was a hereditary position and greater rights than the peasant class, thus nobility.

The reason it doesn't work comparing them to US Marines is that we totally ditched all nobility.

If you want to call literally every military class in world history "nobles" because occupations in all classes generally stay within families and heavily armed people are treated better than peasants, feel free as I laugh at you.

The samurai were not a closed hereditary group until the Edo period, just as they, as I already mentioned, lacked any particular class privileges until the same period.

 

[Ixian]

It's happening more than rarely though. That's the thing.

I can cite many more examples of this.

Literally yes. They were nobles. They weren't 'landed nobility'. But given that there's a turn of phrase for nobles that owned land, that implies that there are nobles that didn't. You know, like knights. They had a different set of rights than the peasants, and were above them. They had a title. It was hereditary. Similarly, Samurai was a hereditary position and greater rights than the peasant class, thus nobility.

The reason it doesn't work comparing them to US Marines is that we totally ditched all nobility.

To my recollection, Samurai, even relatively poor and powerless ones, were the only people authorized to carry weapons in pre-Meiji Japan.

If you want to call literally every military class in world history "nobles" because occupations in all classes generally stay within families and heavily armed people are treated better than peasants, feel free as I laugh at you.

The samurai were not a closed hereditary group until the Edo period, just as they, as I already mentioned, lacked any particular class privileges until the same period.

I think the point you're missing, is that both unlanded Knights, and unlanded Samurai were afforded special rights and privileges not granted to common born folk, based theoretically solely on their bloodlines. IE Nobility