Kek, so pure ideology with no scientific basis, yet still grasping futilely with that wonderful scientific essentialism that doesnt allow you to admit it's an ideological position rather than scientific.
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Kek, so pure ideology with no scientific basis, yet still grasping futilely with that wonderful scientific essentialism that doesnt allow you to admit it's an ideological position rather than scientific.
Whitestrake Pelinal
Like a dream without a dreamer
How very Culturally Marxist of you, to describe a statement of fact -- that males and females are immutably different -- as an ideology.
Still waiting on you to actually post cites
Oh wait, I needed to disappear into the alt-right talking point dojo for years to achieve nirvana
Also, I'm a regular Marxist, get it right.
Nitramy
The Umbrella that Smites Evil
You're talking from the POV of "oh no words have too much attendant baggage and power, let's judge people who use them by our standards even if they explain why they use them REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE".
This assumes that "everybody else must change, not me, because I'm a super special snowflake with my brain wires in the gender sector crossed"... that's not how the world works, no matter how many gender studies degrees you take.
I generally could not care less about people wanting to transition.
I have far more respect for individuals like Blaire White who follow through with the transition, compared to Jessica Yaniv, who seemingly wants to take advantage and carry forth litigation with those who disagree with their identity.
HOWEVER...
See the above? There's a lot of nonsense there. You're transitioning between male to female or vice versa. Blaire White is now a female, transitioning from a male, therefore I'd use the "she/her" pronouns. I'd argue that this ability to create one's own pronouns like this has led to many viewing legitimate concerns of the transgender community as being as nonsensical as what is above.
I have far more respect for individuals like Blaire White who follow through with the transition, compared to Jessica Yaniv, who seemingly wants to take advantage and carry forth litigation with those who disagree with their identity.
HOWEVER...
See the above? There's a lot of nonsense there. You're transitioning between male to female or vice versa. Blaire White is now a female, transitioning from a male, therefore I'd use the "she/her" pronouns. I'd argue that this ability to create one's own pronouns like this has led to many viewing legitimate concerns of the transgender community as being as nonsensical as what is above.
Edgeplay_cgo
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Fine. You can go around insulting people. I can call you a POS and a transphobic bigot, but I won't.
I don't expect you to change. Frankly, I don't care if you do.
Nitramy
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Yes, call me a transphobe because I don't bend over backwards like a pretzel to cater to every trans person's every capricious whim.
That's not how the world works.
Also, the "freak" part is the brain wires crossed, not everything that comes after. You've been conditioned to go after anything that's not offering the world to LGBTQ people on a silver platter as bigotry.
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Respectfully, Edgeplay is one of the most conservative and politically incorrect people I know. I think he's speaking from the personal experience he described, not from any kind of conditioning or ideology.
Nitramy
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What I'm saying is: we shouldn't treat transgenderism as this "super special snowflake" condition that everyone has to cater to otherwise they're bigots, reeeeeeee.
And I haven't even started on the transtrender menace.
The sooner it's considered something like Down syndrome or congenital deafness or something like that, the better.
Besides, it's a freak congenital event that caused the brain wires to get crossed, where is the transphobia and bigotry there?
And I haven't even started on the transtrender menace.
The sooner it's considered something like Down syndrome or congenital deafness or something like that, the better.
Besides, it's a freak congenital event that caused the brain wires to get crossed, where is the transphobia and bigotry there?
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See, actually, when you put it that way, there's much less disagreement between people here.
CarlManvers2019
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Slightly offtopic but are Non-Binaries really a thing? Brainwise
Also, how badly on average are those who underwent sex change in-terms of health?
Also, how badly on average are those who underwent sex change in-terms of health?
Doomsought
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Mammals have two sexes, there isn't pre-assigned hardware for anything else.
Sex change surgeries and medications render a person sterile, make them require constant medication with all the side effects inherent with any hormonal therapy including increase the risk of cancer, and ensure they can never get away from the psychological harm caused be dysphoria.
In a majority of cases, if left untreated, gender dysphoria goes away by the end of puberty. Preventing this is a major harm.
sex change surgery is not a cure, and does not treat the underlying physiological condition. It is giving in to the belief that the mental illness is incurable and to just reduce the pain... despite the fact that the condition often goes away on its own, and a cure could be devised by studding what is going on in the bodies and minds of those who go into remission.
CarlManvers2019
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@Doomsought
You know, somehow I can tell that its just a way of being considered special or unique
Never see those biological problems in fiction. Usually it’s just them having problems being accepted and/or really distressing about not having the right sex
Also, it just goes away? Aren’t there guys who come out as Trans way into their adulthood
You know, somehow I can tell that its just a way of being considered special or unique
Never see those biological problems in fiction. Usually it’s just them having problems being accepted and/or really distressing about not having the right sex
Also, it just goes away? Aren’t there guys who come out as Trans way into their adulthood
Yeah, he's talking out of his ass. Transitioning has positive outcomes as a treatment for gender dysphoria, and as such is the commonly accepted treatment.
Edgeplay_cgo
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I generally could not care less about people wanting to transition.
I have far more respect for individuals like Blaire White who follow through with the transition, compared to Jessica Yaniv, who seemingly wants to take advantage and carry forth litigation with those who disagree with their identity.
HOWEVER...
See the above? There's a lot of nonsense there. You're transitioning between male to female or vice versa. Blaire White is now a female, transitioning from a male, therefore I'd use the "she/her" pronouns. I'd argue that this ability to create one's own pronouns like this has led to many viewing legitimate concerns of the transgender community as being as nonsensical as what is above.
That table makes my head spin, although, back in the Good Ol' Days (TM) of a.s.b., we used the last line as board standard, because it required fewer letters than "he or she," and most of the discussions were gender neutral. I can't parse between all the self identified identities, and I've known a few of them. This is why I, admittedly rudely, refer to the LGBTQWERTY "community." But "everybody" seems to want their unique description. The Trans people I know, spit on the term "community." According to my particular f(r)iend, "The LGB activists always talk of this community, then they throw us under the bus." Most of them just want to be left alone.
My approach to your identity, is to try and be polite. If you tell me how you want to be addresed, and it's not too complex, and I remember, I'll follow your lead. If you call yourself a fish, I'll bring water, or maybe worms. If you behave like an asshole, I'll call you asshole. Just don't call me late for dinner.
Edgeplay_cgo
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It has certainly given my f(r)iend peace. It is far from perfect, and stops far from solving the issues, but she says she has never been more at peace.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
So what's the effects of this?
www.theguardian.com
Some stuff I read has exposed me to be more aware of the possible abuses like dragkids, Yaniv and abuse of the LGBT label to get away with what can be deemed bad behavior.
Though it does look like a safeguard has been put in place for a certain amount of people if they so desire to have someone who know them for a set period to be willing to vouch for their willingness to change genders.
What happens to them when they get older with the change in birth certificate I wouldn't know.
Bill to allow transgender people to change birth certificate without surgery clears first hurdle in Victoria
State minister for equality says the laws will make a ‘contribution to saving lives’
www.theguardian.com
Some stuff I read has exposed me to be more aware of the possible abuses like dragkids, Yaniv and abuse of the LGBT label to get away with what can be deemed bad behavior.
Though it does look like a safeguard has been put in place for a certain amount of people if they so desire to have someone who know them for a set period to be willing to vouch for their willingness to change genders.
What happens to them when they get older with the change in birth certificate I wouldn't know.
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So what's the effects of this?
Bill to allow transgender people to change birth certificate without surgery clears first hurdle in Victoria
State minister for equality says the laws will make a ‘contribution to saving lives’
Some stuff I read has exposed me to be more aware of the possible abuses like dragkids, Yaniv and abuse of the LGBT label to get away with what can be deemed bad behavior.
Though it does look like a safeguard has been put in place for a certain amount of people if they so desire to have someone who know them for a set period to be willing to vouch for their willingness to change genders.
What happens to them when they get older with the change in birth certificate I wouldn't know.
To be honest it sounds like the existing law was acceptable and there was no real reason to change it.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Not sure either on this. Time will tell.
Apparently what I read has it that as the surgery to transition wasn't supported by Medicare or has reliable facility to enact it this is what happens.
I generally could not care less about people wanting to transition.
I have far more respect for individuals like Blaire White who follow through with the transition, compared to Jessica Yaniv, who seemingly wants to take advantage and carry forth litigation with those who disagree with their identity.
HOWEVER...
See the above? There's a lot of nonsense there. You're transitioning between male to female or vice versa. Blaire White is now a female, transitioning from a male, therefore I'd use the "she/her" pronouns. I'd argue that this ability to create one's own pronouns like this has led to many viewing legitimate concerns of the transgender community as being as nonsensical as what is above.
Blair white does a lot more good for the transgendered community then control freak jagoffs do.
Look speaking as a jew, when times go bad when shit gets real you do not want to be a visably different minority, you do not want to be 'special' because that can end very badly for you.
You want to be an intregated member of the community, another face in the crowd. Being special and having special privileges or even just having the apperance of such, fuck just the hear say rumors of such can go horribly wrong. When shit gets real and your transgendered you want your community to think.
"Oh thats blair she used to be a guy nice bloke works hard."
Not.
"Thats Jessica she makes me use the word xem, shits gone wrong and I think I know who I blame."