Transgender Rights

[Francis Urquhart]

To be honest, I have a feeling that the statement 'Transgenderism is a mental disorder' oversimplifies what is a complex situation. It is, in some cases true, but there is much more to it than that. Brain scans on transgender adolescents have shown that their brain activity and structure more closely resemble those of their desired gender than the gender physically manifested.

Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age

There are also physical manifestations for transgender people that are neither mental nor specifically gender-related. I've already mentioned the observable fact that transgender people tend to be taller than the norm for both their desired and manifested gender. Then, there are a number of genetic factors related to XY chromosome disorders that result in a highly confused gender situation. These are all physical effects not mental disorders.

Personally, I think that increasing research into the condition would be helpful and if the reassignment surgery makes them happy, go for it. It's a tiny amount of money compared with the revenue the government wastes on other purposes.

 

[Morphic Tide]

It helps more than doing nothing does. It has a demonstrable effect on reducing suicides to 'indulge' them, so to speak.

And this is why the first step of my suggestions is pretty much always "require a diagnosis to get treatment". A "Great Filter" to weed out the "transtrenders" who don't actually need it and are most likely come to regret the irreparable damage done to their bodies, especially if the social tide turns against them.

This is why I'm pro-tolerance (as in "calmly suffer the heretic to live"), anti-"tolerasty". Because the former forms a culture that can contain the latter where relevant, while the latter, when dominant, is prone to reversal of direction abruptly and with great force. Sort of a "don't give reactionaries more ammo than you do by existing, gays and gals" position.

 

[Erwin_Pommel]

It helps more than doing nothing does. It has a demonstrable effect on reducing suicides to 'indulge' them, so to speak.

It also has a very notable effect on causing suicides during the period of said indulgence being granted. These people are not well and need help getting over their issues. Having them transition only creates problems as shown with them having a high discharge and ban rate in the armed forces, the age-old bathroom question and of course the fact it leads to an unhealthy amount of violence when people who were looking for straight relationships realize that they've been had by what is essentially a mutilated cardboard cut out of what they were after to begin with.

 

[Francis Urquhart]

The fact it leads to an unhealthy amount of violence when people who were looking for straight relationships realize that they've been had by what is essentially a mutilated cardboard cut out of what they were after to begin with.

Not necessarily. I know of a case of a European man who courted and married a rather attractive Thai lady. They had a happy married life but sadly were never blessed with children. The husband found out why that was when his wife died of prostate cancer.

 

[Doomsought]

It helps more than doing nothing does. It has a demonstrable effect on reducing suicides to 'indulge' them, so to speak.

False, it cripples the majority of cases where the patient would recover form the mental illness during puberty.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

You know, all this talk about Transgenders, brain problems and problems that come with transitioning or not

Somehow, a few decades from now, I see less and less transpeople around due to increased medical research

Those that have removed their organs however will have problems that they may live with for the rest of their lives

 

[Doomsought]

Those that have removed their organs however will have problems that they may live with for the rest of their lives

They already do, but it is a wrong think thing to try and research:

Proposal to research 'trans regret' rejected by university for fear of backlash, claims psychotherapist

A psychotherapist who wanted to research reverse gender reassignment claimed that he had his academic proposal rejected because his university was scared of backlash from trans community, the High Court heard.

www.telegraph.co.uk

University 'turned down politically incorrect transgender research'

James Caspian says Bath Spa University approved but then rejected his proposed research into gender reassignment reversal

www.theguardian.com

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Honestly, maybe it should be handled by medical corporations instead of universities

 

[Kitsune9]

Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age

Question where's the link to the actual study, the link in the article just showed a can't find page and googling the site that it was supposed to be from or the name didn't have an obvious link with the information pop up anywhere. I got hit with a bunch of articles but I couldn't find the original study that was being referenced.

I wanted to check a couple of statements against the article's closing statement that they were just now starting to look into the effects on hormones on development to check if the brain scans were done before the patients started taking hormones or after. It's a control thing,

"Current strategies for addressing GD in younger people involve psychotherapy, or delaying puberty with hormones,"

"Genetics and hormones contribute to sex differences in brain development and function that lead to more male- or female-typical characteristics;"

I believed that if Hormones were stated to cause sex based changes in brain development and transgender patients are treated with hormones from a young age it makes sense that the hormone treatment could have caused the changes to brain density that were being used as proof that they were different. As such I wanted to see if the study was done before, after, or during, hormone treatment.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Transtrenders.

Question, what's the easiest way to tell if a person actually DOES have the problems a Transperson has instead of just being someone who transitioned and started getting sorta crazy and having more views or likes on social media or something?

 

[Deleted member]

Transtrenders.

Question, what's the easiest way to tell if a person actually DOES have the problems a Transperson has instead of just being someone who transitioned and started getting sorta crazy and having more views or likes on social media or something?

1. Persistent ideation as a member of the identified sex since prepubescence.
2. Repetitive behavior of wearing clothes of the identified sex, especially if beginning in prepubescence.
3. Social anxiety and inability to function in public despite high emotional intelligence on standardized psychiatric battery tests.
4. Persistent assumption of roles of identified sex family/social circles;
5. Persistent dysfunction of the normal sexual role after puberty.
6. Persistent self-identification over a sustained period of time;
7. Absence of conflicting diagnoses such as autism spectrum conditions.

At that point you can proceed with differential diagnosis and investigate psychiatrist therapy options. Usually six months of intense sessions before considering a real-life test.

This set of criteria (Blanchard’s sex-focused ones are fallacious on several points but otherwise similar, just very neo-freudian) was generally applied by psychiatric and psychological sexologists pre-2008.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

You know, I wonder if these Transtrenders are suffering under a different psychosis or have different brain structures from normal

Hell, I think it may even apply to much of the Far Left or SJW types

But I believe much or most of this is all self inflicted

 

[Deleted member]

You know, I wonder if these Transtrenders are suffering under a different psychosis or have different brain structures from normal

Hell, I think it may even apply to much of the Far Left or SJW types

But I believe much or most of this is all self inflicted

My personal theory is that a lot of them are autistic. It used to be a maxim that a diagnosis of transsexuality and a diagnosis of autism were mutually exclusive.

The level of regret and lack of response to surgical intervention may be caused by the massively increased number of surgeries in the past decade; there is no one established surgical technique (and in fact many are radically different) and they require considerable skill to execute correctly. If a lot of these transtrenders who are really autistic are going and getting their surgery funded by the ACA--the massive surge in demand--a lot of them are ending up going to new surgeries in the US without a lot of experience. So you have a perfect storm of improper diagnosis and lower-quality surgery.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I guess they’re the real reason why LGBT, especially the last, get so much attention in-spite of being less than 1% of the entire world

People wanted in on the uniqueness factor

 

[Deleted member]

I guess they’re the real reason why LGBT, especially the last, get so much attention in-spite of being less than 1% of the entire world

People wanted in on the uniqueness factor

The generally accepted value before things became odd was that 0.3% of the population was transsexual, though this might have been even lower for FTM transsexuality, the two not having necessarily identical etiologies.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

The generally accepted value before things became odd was that 0.3% of the population was transsexual, though this might have been even lower for FTM transsexuality, the two not having necessarily identical etiologies.

0.3% is sorta still a kinda big number of people

That said, yeah, I can see there being differences between FTM and MTF, especially in-terms of actually transitioning and how far they would be taking it

 

[Francis Urquhart]

Question where's the link to the actual study, the link in the article just showed a can't find page and googling the site that it was supposed to be from or the name didn't have an obvious link with the information pop up anywhere. I got hit with a bunch of articles but I couldn't find the original study that was being referenced.

Transgender People's Brain Structures Are Different From Cisgender Folks'

Search Results | ESE

The European Society for Endocrinology has a new web address. See second of those two links

 

[Doomsought]

Transgender People's Brain Structures Are Different From Cisgender Folks'

Search Results | ESE

The European Society for Endocrinology has a new web address. See second of those two links

That just gives us an idea of the cause of the problem and what we need to treat. We know puberty can cure the condition, so what we should be doing is studying what hormones cause the brain to return to normal.

 

[Comrade Sophia]

That just gives us an idea of the cause of the problem and what we need to treat. We know puberty can cure the condition, so what we should be doing is studying what hormones cause the brain to return to normal.

How do you "know" puberty can cure the condition? I fully went through my first puberty because I was repressing hard, didn't help.

 

[Deleted member]

That just gives us an idea of the cause of the problem and what we need to treat. We know puberty can cure the condition, so what we should be doing is studying what hormones cause the brain to return to normal.

That conflates correlation and causation. A more parsimonious assumption is that people who had ideation which ended at puberty did not have any structural brain differences.

Of course, the morality of imposing treatment on the mind to force it to conform with the body is exactly a leftist, modernist totalitarianism.

Actually, and my apologies for not putting this in first, your position is worse than that because what you’re really talking about is two discordant parts of the body and arbitrarily choosing one that is correct and forcing people to undergo treatment on that basis, even though the consensus of health professionals in the main and the patients for almost 100 years has been to treat the discordance in the other direction, with generally very good results, consistent with thousands of years of recorded history for how this condition manifests and the concurrence of several major religions.