"TradWives" Triggering Unhappy Feminists

[Cherico]

Casual sex in itself isn't evil, but there are severe consequences to such a lifestyle, especially for women.

The issue is that people, again especially women, are either clueless or deluded in accepting that there are consequences --mental, physical, emotional-- to being a "lock that any key can open".

And, yes, it is worse for women because of a woman's biological role/how being a binary gendered reproductive species works. They just want to deny it because mumble mumble "patriarchy" and mumble mumble "finding herself".

Their rhetoric of "past doesn't matter" and "normalize dating sex workers" falls apart when the man they're seriously interested in, and he's interested in her, loses interest once he discovers her past/history, typically relegating her to "casual fun" than "serious relationship" status.

All we have to do to stop this behavior is to stop subidizing it.

You want to be a single mother? Fine pay for it yourself, you have complete control over your pregnancy? Ok fine then having a kid is a unalateral decision one your paying for. Get rid of Alamony, get rid of child support and stop giving welfare to single moms and this shit would all come to a crashing halt fast.

 

[Jormungandr]

All we have to do to stop this behavior is to stop subidizing it.

You want to be a single mother? Fine pay for it yourself, you have complete control over your pregnancy? Ok fine then having a kid is a unalateral decision one your paying for. Get rid of Alamony, get rid of child support and stop giving welfare to single moms and this shit would all come to a crashing halt fast.

Becoming a single mother is often a normal consequence of casual sex, yeah, but it's just a result/symptom of the problem (same with abortions being used as causal birth-control). I'm all for people having the freedom of choice to be a 304, but feminism especially has lied to them in that there are no consequences to being an unpaid sex worker.

They think it's just all fun and games for their youth, getting their backs blown out by Chads and Tyrones, before they settle down in their 30's.

 

[Cherico]

Becoming a single mother is often a normal consequence of casual sex, yeah, but it's just a result/symptom of the problem (same with abortions being used as causal birth-control). I'm all for people having the freedom of choice to be a 304, but feminism especially has lied to them in that there are no consequences to being an unpaid sex worker.

They think it's just all fun and games for their youth, getting their backs blown out by Chads and Tyrones, before they settle down in their 30's.

I think the most painful lesson that we will learn from the 20th and 21st century is that our ancient ansestors were in fact not knuckle dragging idiots and in fact did things for a reason. Our assuption that we are so much wiser and more enlightened then they were will blow up in our faces as we are forced to relearn the lessons of the past.

Hopefully future generations will be more wise then us.

 

[DarthOne]

Becoming a single mother is often a normal consequence of casual sex, yeah, but it's just a result/symptom of the problem (same with abortions being used as causal birth-control). I'm all for people having the freedom of choice to be a 304, but feminism especially has lied to them in that there are no consequences to being an unpaid sex worker.

They think it's just all fun and games for their youth, getting their backs blown out by Chads and Tyrones, before they settle down in their 30's.

Which is part of why these women are freaking out now. Guys aren't willing to play that game now.

 

[King Arts]

Bacherlor taxes like in the roman empire come next this also wont work just like it didn't work last time. The solution is to stop treating men like shit but for some reason that's seems to be the abosolute last resort.

Honestly taxing single females would make more sense than men to make people marry more.

 

[DarthOne]

Honestly taxing single females would make more sense than men to make people marry more.

YES. EXACTLY.

But they won't do it because it's 'misogyny'. Or something.

 

[DarthOne]

The Destiny of Polyamory

In which we have another polyamorous relationship collapse in a long, long line of them doing so. It’s almost as if it’s a terrible idea!

 

[Captain X]

I can tell you that, whether you think it's right or wrong, monogamy is absolutely more healthy for a person than being a slut.

I may agree it's more healthy, but that doesn't I'm on board the shaming train, too. Honestly this mentality is one of the commonalities between the Left and the Right.

Casual sex in itself isn't evil, but there are severe consequences to such a lifestyle, especially for women.

And one thing I really can't stand is double-standards. Something else the Right has in common with the Left when it comes to certain things.

 

[Captain X]

I think the most painful lesson that we will learn from the 20th and 21st century is that our ancient ansestors were in fact not knuckle dragging idiots and in fact did things for a reason.

There's no reason both things can't be true. There may have been reasons for why they did things, and there may even have been some validity there, but they were still knuckle dragging idiots when it came to the treatment of women being akin to property. Something Muslims still do, incidentally.

YES. EXACTLY.

But they won't do it because it's 'misogyny'. Or something.

Well, yeah, it would be sexist unless both men and women were taxed this way, and then it would just be plain unfair and frankly rubbing salt in the wound for those of us who just can't seem to find a mate in life. So I have a better idea - instead of using a stick, use a carrot. Don't punish people for being single, reward them for getting married and having kids.

 

[DarthOne]

I may agree it's more healthy, but that doesn't I'm on board the shaming train, too. Honestly this mentality is one of the commonalities between the Left and the Right.


And one thing I really can't stand is double-standards. Something else the Right has in common with the Left when it comes to certain things.

The thing is, I’d argue that the lack of shaming and social acceptance of this behavior plays a not-inconsiderate part in why society is as messed up as it is now.

Now, I absolutely agree that sleeping around is wrong, regardless of if a man or woman is the one doing it. Both cases deserve to be help equally accountable.

I will say that when it comes to consequences, both men and women get the short end of the stick in different ways.

When it comes to the law, men tend to get worse off because they’re stuck paying child support and so on for decades.

Some of which comes from a misguided idea that only women can raise kids properly. This is false- but I’d argue that to raise a kid right having a mom and dad is much better than just having one or the other. As kids raised by single parents tend to have issues of one kind of another. Males in particular seem to suffer if they don’t have a strong masculine figure to look up to and emulate in their lives growing up. Though I’m sure women also have similar issues too that I simply am unaware of or are just not occurring to me.

For women, I’d say the issue tend to be more psychological in nature. Some of which is the result of being on the pill, which messes with women’s hormones and basically makes them mentally ill. I also think women are more vulnerable to the downsides of having casual sexual relationships due to the loss of intimacy just due to the differences between how men and women’s minds work.

There’s also the factor that if a woman is known to have slept around with guys, men aren’t going to want to risk a relationship with them. Both to avoid heartbreak and because those women tend not to have the best judgement. And because of the aforementioned legal ramifications in the case of children or divorce.

 

[DarthOne]

Well, yeah, it would be sexist unless both men and women were taxed this way, and then it would just be plain unfair and frankly rubbing salt in the wound for those of us who just can't seem to find a mate in life. So I have a better idea - instead of using a stick, use a carrot. Don't punish people for being single, reward them for getting married and having kids.

That is a fair point. And one I should have thought of.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Honestly this mentality is one of the commonalities between the Left and the Right.

What mentality are you pointing to? That it's more healthy to be monogamous, or that the shame train is good?

And one thing I really can't stand is double-standards. Something else the Right has in common with the Left when it comes to certain things.

What is the double standard you're pointing at here?

 

[Captain X]

What mentality are you pointing to? That it's more healthy to be monogamous, or that the shame train is good?

I should think it was pretty obvious that I'm referring to the proclivity for shaming people who do not conform to their ideology.

What is the double standard you're pointing at here?

Again, it should be pretty obvious what I'm referring to given what I quoted - different standards for men and women.

 

[Simonbob]

Again, it should be pretty obvious what I'm referring to given what I quoted - different standards for men and women.

Dude. Men and women are different.

There has to be different standards, because they're different.

 

[Captain X]

Dude. Men and women are different.

There has to be different standards, because they're different.

And along comes someone to justify it. Unsurprising. Men and women may be different physically and psychologically, but that doesn't mean they should be treated differently under the law. Also, promiscuity is promiscuity, and if you're going to claim to be against it, shaming only women for it, or even just worse for it, shows your hand and your true beliefs in the way that the Left does when they claim to want equality while treating people differently.

 

[Simonbob]

And along comes someone to justify it. Unsurprising. Men and women may be different physically and psychologically, but that doesn't mean they should be treated differently under the law. Also, promiscuity is promiscuity, and if you're going to claim to be against it, shaming only women for it, or even just worse for it, shows your hand and your true beliefs in the way that the Left does when they claim to want equality while treating people differently.

If Reality is sexist, how is that my fault?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I should think it was pretty obvious that I'm referring to the proclivity for shaming people who do not conform to their ideology.

Shame is an extremely powerful tool for enforcing societal standards and keeping your society running without having to resort to more forceful means.

What's wrong with shaming behavior that's counterproductive to the health and welfare of society?

Again, it should be pretty obvious what I'm referring to given what I quoted - different standards for men and women.

Nothing I've said has advocated for differing standards in the law. I'm OK with shaming men and women for loose behavior. I'm also completely OK with benefitting married/monogamous behavior over that of poly behavior.

 

[Captain X]

What's wrong with shaming behavior that's counterproductive to the health and welfare of society?

Because my ideas of what that is differ from yours, for one. I'm all about maximizing individual liberties, which is why I bump heads with both the Left and the Right. I'm also all about people getting treated to the same standard, which is also why I bump heads with both the left and the right.

If Reality is sexist, how is that my fault?

Reality isn't sexist, nor does it have double standards like you do, apparently.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Because my ideas of what that is differ from yours, for one. I'm all about maximizing individual liberties, which is why I bump heads with both the Left and the Right. I'm also all about people getting treated to the same standard, which is also why I bump heads with both the left and the right.

So...do you believe that it's better for society to have monogamous relationships that build stable homes, or is it better for society to have polyamorous relationships that lead to empty relationships that harm all parties to some degree and lead to single parent homes and broken relationships?

Now, you're welcome to argue that what I've stated is not the case, but, generally, the statement I made above is generally true. I will perfectly cede that there are exceptions to both sides.

Like you, I'm OK if people want to live their lives outside of what society says is proper. However, I'm also not OK with those people then asking for the same society to take care of them when they realize how much they might have screwed themselves.

 

[Simonbob]

Reality isn't sexist, nor does it have double standards like you do, apparently.

Men and women are different. Different strengths, weaknesses, some outright different capablities (Men can't bear kids, women can't father them).

Reality treats men and women differently. Thus, Reality is sexist.


Thus, if you aren't sexist, you're wrong.