Stargate Through the Looking Glass and into Heaven.

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
I had a thought in my head...

--Stargate Command Accounting office...

-office CO, "Who in the hell authorized a P.O. for 5 metric tons of Twinkies for Christ's sake?!"

-admin Specialist, "General Hammond did Sir. And yes, I already verified the amount."

"How MANY freekin' Twinkies do we need?!"

"Well Sir, each box is about 16 ounces even if we consider packing and crating, and there are 10 Twinkies per box. So we just ordered 100,000 Twinkies Sir."
And why did the SGC order so many Twinkies?
Ummmmm as it turns out as trading goods.
A metric ton of Twinkies is worth 500 kilos of pure Naquadah on the Galactic Market. The Jaffa and Goa'uld like them that much. And they can't figure out how to properly copy them
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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And why did the SGC order so many Twinkies?
Ummmmm as it turns out as trading goods.
A metric ton of Twinkies is worth 500 kilos of pure Naquadah on the Galactic Market. The Jaffa and Goa'uld like them that much. And they can't figure out how to properly copy them

I have to wonder how many cities you could power if you hooked up some naquadah to say Turkey Point.

I can already see the episode title...

"The Power of Twinkies."

No, but I might do an episode where the SGC catches Jaffa on earth making deals with Narcos 300767289228263424.png
 
Gate Room

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Gate Room


“Damnit why the hell are these pyramids so big!” Kowalski’s voice echoed through the corridor, despite the age gap between himself and his men the Colonel was out in front hustling ahead of them weapon at the ready. He thanked God for the Next Gen Weapons they were able to get authorization to use though, a detail of three Serpent dudes made it to the exit of the hallway before he and his men and the Abydonians and their armor stood up to about two seconds of sustained fire from his marines before they were shredded. The Snake men took out an Abydonian and vaporized the rifle of one of his marines (Likely severely burning the dude’s arm and hurling shrapnel into his torso in the process, from what Charles could tell from the smell and sounds). During the original fight five years ago, even Ra’s rentacops could handle more led and Kowalski shuddered to think what would have happened if he brought some useless shit like a P-90 against one of these professionals. Ahead of them the pathway was filled with smoke and debris but amazingly nothing from the interior of the pyramid collapsed and to Kowalski’s surprise the fire was slowly being put out by the energy absorbing properties of the Naquadah in the facility -Damn this things hungry for energy like a fatass at a buffet-.



As they neared the Gate room there was the telltale hiss of staff guns and the roar of weapons fire from his men and what was left of the Abydonian militia within. A body was strewn on the floor, covered in that leather looking armor, the helm blown off. Below was a pale skinned girl of about sixteen (physically any way, his wife had said there was a chance one of these dudes who looked like a teenager might be closer to forty than sixteen.) Kowalski had to stop himself from feeling the instinctive pang of guilt at the killing of a child soldier by his marines. They were dangerous enough on earth, but he read the after-action report on the raid. A girl younger than this disemboweled a marine and twisted another’s head almost clean off before the other Carter blew her brains out. -They only look like kids; she could really be sixteen or she could be my age-





What he assumed were plasma bolts whirred overhead the moment he entered the Gate Room and Kowalski could see the metallic looking gate was open and shimmering, Snake dudes retreated through as others laid cover fire. The tall golden armored dude who commanded them was nowhere to be seen but Kowalski could make out another giant standing like a grim, contemplative statue watching the carnage. There was something, somber about the figure and Kowalski would have stopped to wonder if the guy wasn’t filled with regret or doubt if it weren’t for the fact that the female behind him held Skara over her shoulder like a sack of potatoes. She began to head towards the gate and Kowalski slid from the column and took aim.



A bullet ricocheted off her shoulder -Damnit Chuckles! Focus!- He fired again and again, finally something gave and blood sprayed from her chest as two surviving members of the Abydonian militia likewise turned and fired at her. The wound must have taken a chunk of her lung and certainly shattered bone, but she merely sauntered through the gate in one final burst of energy.



There was a second where the blasts from energy weapons ceased, only the tall grim figure behind the silver helm watched the defenders of Abydos, his refusal to leave a single one of his surviving Jaffa on the other side of the gate. Both impressed Kowalski and made him wonder if the guy didn’t have a Deathwish or something as he refused to fire at anyone who came near him. Eventually the figure turned, just as someone hit him in the shoulder with what Kowalski thought sounded like a Barret. -Was that one of his or one of the Abydonian’s?-



Shockingly, the alien commanders’ arm didn’t explode, but the armor bent inward and Kowalski was pretty sure the guy’s shoulder was dislocated and a few of the bones below the joint were broken. -So, I guess command level guys have better gear? Because that would have crunched one of Ra’s rentacops-



The wormhole faded from existence and as the gate itself went dark an eerie silence reigned over the Gate Room.



Then the screams started.



Kowalski turned, his eyes taking in the carnage before him. A marine lay on the floor next to an Abyondian, what was left of his face had been contorted in shock, the butt of a next gen rifle was lodged in his torso where the left side of his rib cage should have been. Weaponry from ally and enemy alike lay strewn about the floor “These bastards went into CQC?”



“They tore our guy’s apart sir!” One of the medics remarked horrified. The Abydonians faired little better, Kowalski could make out a teenager whose arm had been ripped off and used as a blunt instrument to crush his skull with off to the side near a large heap that… Jesus, Ra’s mooks were at least disciplined. What the hell happened here?





Forget a breakdown of the chain of command, their God or a representative thereof was fighting with them from what he could gather, and they still lost their shit like this and went blood mad? He could hear footfalls belonging to his wife and to Kadra who were leading a contingent of Abydonian medics forward. Kowalski felt relieved until he heard the loud wailing of a young woman and turned to see Kadra on her knees, Lahm and some of his marines were all turning with a similar look of horror and disgust.






Several feet closer to the gate was a mound of human flesh, which despite being on its knees appeared tall and broad. About it was draped a banner all black with a golden cobra, hood outstretched mouth opened in a display of menace. A cobra whose snout was red and bloodied, bloodied by the wounds on the body. A body that had most of its face crushed, an arm shattered and what looked like some sort of steel spear thrust through its chest. Worse, the body’s heart was pulled out by the spear and rested partially out of the shattered chest. Kowalski blinked unsure why Kadra was sobbing so violently and then he saw his wife move to pick her up to help her hold herself together by assuring her Louis would want her to tend to the wounded and the dying.



Louis…Louis?!



The corpse was Ferretti?!



“No” Kowalski murmured. “Oh no, no, not like this. Not after everything, not like this, not like this!” He wanted to rage, he wanted to kick something, he wanted to punch something, hell he wanted to cry. Instead, he calmly tried to reach the colonel again by tapping the transmitter near his earpiece. When once again he received static, Kowalski did his best to steady his shaky hand and order one of his boys to go retrieve Colonel O’Neill.



“Dial up earth!” Kowalski barked at an Abydonian he recognized from the original mission. The man blinked “Earth?”



Oh right, why would he know the address, damnit.



The man seemed to consider for a moment before grinning “Ah, Tau’Ri, yes I forget you people call your world soil! Forgive me, I do not know the address, but my son does!” turning he called for a tall, lanky boy of thirteen who rose from position beside an old miner who was in shock from a gut wound. The youth ran over and after a quick exchange between father and son the boy turned to Kowalski and nodded. “At once sir!”



“Charles” a voice came from behind him, he almost didn’t recognize it for how haggard it sounded. “I know Kadra” he responded doing his best to conceal the anguish in his voice, Skara and Shau’re were missing. While he couldn’t account for Shau’re, he could certainly account for Skara. But how could he tell her that her older brother was carted off? At least right now and yet.



“They were taken?” she asked softly.



Damnit.





“They were.”





And we’re gonna get them back Kaddy, I promise you that.
 
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The Serpent And the Eagle.

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The Serpent and The Eagle





“If the avian does not whistle, kill it” – Orilus



“If the avian does not whistle, convince it to whistle” – Odin





“If the avian does not whistle, whistle through it” - Ra







“The three Kings”
Tollan Haiku





Two hours after the raid.





“I understand it’s your prerogative sir, but I have to insist you remain behind.” Colonel Samuels all but bellowed down the hallway in a tone that was more of a sarcastic “oh no, please don’t” tone that suggested he’d be anything but dismayed if the Admiral walked himself through the gate and right into a firefight.





“You insist?” Hammond asked not really looking back as he strode towards the elevator. The dismissiveness in the Texan’s tone suggested he cared about as much as Samuel’s input as Samuel’s cared if the man survived or not. “First communication we get from Abydos and it’s that those snakes killed more of my men and abducted two diplomatic envoys under the protection of the USSF and you think I’m going to let anyone under my command go in without my presence?!”



“..Procedure..sir..regs”



“Son we’re in the middle of intergalactic intrigue son, don’t cite terrestrial protocol!” it might have been Samuels’ imagination, but the elevator doors seemed to slam closed as if to emphasize the bald Seals point.





In the Gate Room the blue hum of the vortex illuminated against the back of the wall, yet there was not but the glimmer of shiny over the event horizon of the wormhole. The iris, something Hammond had insisted on after he read the report from the first Abydos mission. Was made up of titanium, steel and some kind of polymer made of materials back engineered by the Groom Lake boys. Closing barely a micrometer from the surface of the event horizon it was said to prevent anything sent through from rematerializing. Initially, his request was met with stonewalling but after a year of fighting well, he finally had his damn Iris. -Not soon enough- Hammond thought bitterly. Around him were several unmanned vehicles that would be remote operated by USSF specialists who were sitting on the ramp or helping move the medical supplies that were being loaded on the tiny trailers attached to the vehicles. Twenty USSF marines and four specialists from the “Air force” arm of the USSF and a group of five survey experts and energy specialists pulled from the army corps of engineers were present.



It had surprised Hammond how little convincing the President needed to give the go ahead to initiate talks about establishing a research facility and a “trade outpost” on Abydos, the engineers were supposed to be brought in to look around and to talk to Kasuf about any assistance he might have needed while Skara and whoever State sent to help Hammond negotiate with Skara did the smooth talking. Instead, they would be part of a show of force, both to calm their allies down and to proceed through the gate on a rescue mission as soon as the dust could be settled.



A mission Hammond had every intention of commanding from a Froward Operating Base and not from the safety of the Mountain. Seals didn’t run, Seals didn’t hide not unless they were taking cover to better kill a target and Admiral George Samuel Hammond wasn’t about to do any running or hiding not to a bunch of varmints. “Colonel Samuels you will head to Washington and join Director Ellis.”



“S..Sir General Landry isn’t that far away, shouldn’t you hold the mission just a little” Samuels really, really didn’t want to have to put up with Hank Landry and his love of birds for the next week or so it would be before the Admiral returned from his insane adventure. -Why is a member of the Stellar Naval division of the Space Force commanding a ground mission? It should be Landry on the field and Hammond here, greedy bastard- Samuels thought, ignoring the fact that the Admiral was a Seal and that most of experience involved similar missions. Nothing was going to get in the way of his desire to rage.





“You can tell Samuels hates his life because he isn’t jumping at the chance to command the SGC for the half hour it’ll take the General to stop saying hi to the guards outside” The sing song voice came from a short woman with tanned skin and earthy brown hair in a pixie cut. She was forty-seven but looked some ten years younger, something she insisted was a miracle given as she put it “I survived Ebola, Polio and getting abducted by aliens and the big foot thing”. It was sometimes hard to tell if Janet Fraser was messing with you or deadly serious, especially given everything they now knew about the stars. Fraser had survived Ebola and Polio though, from her time dealing with bioweaponry in the nineties. Hammond had chosen her as the head of medical for the facility because she was one of the best damn doctors out there and her hobbies made her an expert in all kinds of weirdness that her made useful in the field of dealing with the potential aftermath of interplanetary exploration. Something that, Hammond had been pushing for since SG-0 returned from the original Abydos mission and something that was finally greenlit within hours of the raid. Fraser would be leading a team of ten medics and would be returning with the most severely injured personnel and abydonians.





Pallets of ammunition, guns of all kinds and other gear were also being shipped out and would arrive with the second wave through the Gate. Knowing what they knew about the size of the gate on Abydos compared to theirs Hammond wanted to make sure nothing got wedged on the other side. He stood at top of the Gate Ramp looking over the menagerie of combined forces, civilians and everything else under his command and marveled at how swiftly they were able to up their timetable and cobble everything together. A nod of his head lowered the Iris and after a quick broadcast warning the other side, they were coming through Admiral George Hammond became the first Flag office of the United States Space Force’s Stellar naval division (And the first Earth Born Admiral) to set foot on another world.





Hammond didn’t expect fanfare, but he did wish his arrival on Abydos didn’t precede an assault by a psychotic alien despot. The smell of blood, smoke, antiseptics and sweat filled his nostrils and he gazed around at the blood stains and the people too injured to move, the corpses which were strewn about the room, the brutality of it all and then.



Ferretti.



George Hammond was going to kill whoever did that to Ferretti.



George Hammond was also going to make a scarecrow out of the bastard’s corpse.





Others exited the gate, including Fraser who bolted passed Hammond and immediately grabbed Lahm by the wrist, assaulting her with a barrage of questions over what was needed. Hammond was glad the woman had come, craziness aside she had an aura of matronly authority about her and Lahm and the Abydonian healers seemed to be relieved to have someone who was willing to take the burden of command off them so they could become more involved in triage.





O’Neill and an older man with strong shoulders and robes that looked like they belonged to a king in an old sword and sandal movie approached Hammond, Carter was off to the site leaning on a column covered in dried blood from helping with the wounded. He’d never seen the young woman so angry. Seated on the ground in a heap beside her, head resting on one of her legs was Doctor Jackson. He had the look of a man who’d just lost someone precious to him and then from the look in O’Neill and the older man’s face (Both had a look Hammond had seen in many father’s whose children either went missing or died), he assumed this one was Kasuf.



Hammond bowed his head, unsure what the proper greeting was. “Colonel O’Neill and Kasuf I take it?”



To his surprise the older man spoke English and he nodded. “Admiral Hammond, I regret I cannot offer you the reception a man of your reputation and your station deserves.”. Though it was a dark attempt at humor, Hammond understood it well. He’d spent his fare share of time in missions that required him to meet tribal chiefs and nomadic leaders, he understood the importance such societies often placed on decorum and protocol especially during a time of crisis and he could see Kasuf partially meant the apology.



“You honor me sir, but there’s no need to be sorry on my account. This, travesty takes precedent over all other concerns, don’t it?” Hammond asked relieved when he saw the look of relief on Kasuf’s face, one that meant he wasn’t completely off base with his read.



“My eldest son and eldest daughter have been taken by a Star God or perhaps one of their champions.” Kasuf’s voice wavered, he didn’t quite know what to call the being who had commanded the raid. Ra was the Great Godhead, the king of kings, the Emperor of all time and space, the other gods were great lords, kings amongst the stars, demons perhaps. Though he no longer believed in the imperial religion, not since he was a child and especially not since Daniel came, it seemed to be the best way to emphasize what they were now dealing with.



“So was one of my men, a marine of mine named Christmas. We aim to bring her home; we’ll bring yours home as well” Hammond assured him grabbing the man by the shoulders. “Lord Kasuf” Hammond said, remembering the proper way of addressing him from the last radio communication. “There was talk of an alliance between our people, in the spirit of that alliance. I bring you medicine, ammunition, and weaponry. I was told that Jackson was helping you rediscover your lost technology, I’ve brought some experts to help you there.”



Kasuf bowed deeply, crossing his hands over his chest. “I thank you Admiral, part of me wishes to advise you to bury the gate, if they come to avenge Ra for all that you have done, we would bear that fight alone if we thought it could spare your people.”



Hammond was touched, the nobility of the thought earned Kasuf his respect and friendship but there was no way Hammond would allow that. “The leader of my people wants us to stand with you and I’m a man of Texas lord. And in Texas we don’t abandon our friends to a nest of vipers. No, this is our fight too and if you’d allow it. I would establish a command center here to conduct the rescue of our people.”



It served a dual purpose, Kasuf guessed. Both to begin establishing what he suspected was a Tau’Ri presence that would become more permanent, and commerce based over time (Not that he was against this, nor the masters but the formality of negotiation seemed moot) and to ensure that they would not face any onslaught that came from the stars alone. Again, not a thing Kasuf or the council of masters would be against.



“I welcome your assistance Admiral Hammond. Abydos, welcomes your protection but we face all enemies together, yes?”





Ah, here it came Hammond realized, the part where Kasuf insisted that a detachment of the militia came along, if only to say they were able to avenge their fallen leader. His units were diverse enough, he didn’t know the Abydonian militia, but it seemed like they were capable, having made an appreciable defense of the Gate Room. Still, it wasn’t something he was entirely comfortable with. He had his orders though and those were to ensure the cooperation and support of the Abydonian people no matter what.



“We can discuss joint operations at a later date, for now Kasuf I believe Colonel O’Neill won’t have any objection to a coalition force on any retrieval mission.”





“Assuming we can figure out where they came from, a lot of the body cams have been fried on our men.” O’Neill put in; finally wading into the conversation. His jaw tightly clenched in his skull as his eyes darted to the body of Louis Ferretti which had finally been removed from its grizzly spot on the floor. He could make out orders from Fraser moving the most easily treated nearer to the exit while Lahm had begun moving the ones who needed emergency care towards the gate.



“Ser permission to dial home?!” Fraser called and Hammond nodded “Make sure they receive your code first” The Admiral reminded her, not particularly wanting his chief medical officer to be a smear on the back of his new iris.





“We have a gate address!” Carter called out, rushing towards Hammond, the look of fury in her eyes mixed with a sense of anticipation. “One of the Marines was able to capture the sequence they used to dial out on cam!”



“Excellent!” Hammond nodded his head then looked to the Colonel “Take your teams back to Cheyenne get cleaned up, get six hours of sleep”



“Sir”



“No, I want you both rested. Take Carter and Jackson as well, I want them with you when we go out and find these bastards.”



“The scientists?” O’Neill asked not that he had any issue with Jackson who had all right to be there, for his wife but Carter? “On a rescue mission?”



Hammond nodded “You’re going to need her big brain out there, besides from what I can see the girl can handle herself in a fight. When she isn’t working in the lab I plan to have her on missions regularly”



“Lab? Missions?” O’Neill blinked what the hell was he talking about? Then it hit him and his eyes narrowed. “So, the President’s agreed with our recommendations then?” finally.





We’re out there now. O’Neill thought. There was no going back and to pretend otherwise was to simply bury your head in the sand to hope you suffocated before the predator took your ass out. Besides, this was their fault more than anything.



Hammond nodded. “We’ll discuss this later, for now it’s enough to know The Stargate reconnaissance division is reactivated and you’re officially commander of SG-1, I intend Kowalski to be the head of SG-2”



O’Neill nodded in agreement, Charly deserved this, it was about time though he was surprised neither of them were going to be benched to do training and orientation for new teams, then again as of right now they were the only ones with any kind of experience in this unique field and so it made sense.



“Six hours then report back here.”



“Aye Sir” O’Neill turned and walked towards the column where a despondent almost catatonic Jackson sat.



“Alright Dweeb, get up, she isn’t dead yet and you need to help me find Skara” O’Neill said kicking Jackson lightly on the ankle. Jackson who was lost in thought merely looked up squinting as if he couldn’t see the man in front of him and more the shadow of who was. “J-ack?” He asked finally.



“No, the Easter bunny, get up idiot, we got people to rescue!” The order was one O’Neill desperately wished someone could have given him when he’d found his son dead, was enough to snap Daniel out of his stupor. He shot up and grabbed Jack’s wrist “Skara?! Shau’re?! We’re going to get them right? Right?”



“Yea, just said that dork, lets go.”



“Right…Right….Wait before..we go..Shau’re thought she had an idea who it was that attacked us…I think, Kasuf does too” Jackson asked, looking towards the pair of old men.



The crowd grew silent as everyone looked from Jackson to Kasuf quizzically. Kasuf for his part let out a sigh of relief that no one was glaring at him accusatorially, for he said nothing because he couldn’t prove anything except for stories from the old imperial religion. For all he knew, only Sobek, Ra and Hathor were real, and the rest were just fables, personas crafted to enhance the grandeur of their former god and yet.







“the mention of serpents from your men, the description of their armor and what I see here in the dead and from what that grotesque banner suggests…” Kasuf sighed. “In the cult we used to worship, in its doctrine he is painted as a god of…”



Kasuf cleared his throat. “He is the Lord of night, the patron deity of expansion, conquest and war. The Master of victories, the prince of Serpents and King of battle.”





“Son of Tartarus and master of the fleet of a million Ships, Apophis” Everyone turned and looked at Carter who was reciting what she had just seen on video captured by one of the fallen marines. “At least that’s how he announced himself when Ferretti challenged him to a duel.”



O’Neill smiled despite himself. -Of course, you did, you glorious psychopathic greaseball-.



“So that’s it, we need to go fuck up a war god to get our men back huh?” O’Neill aske, his tone casual. “And here I thought this was going to be difficult.”





“Try to be discrete about this Colonel, the last thing I want is for us to leave fingerprints and another intergalactic incident arises from it.” Hammond cautioned, he wasn’t about to abandon the mission now but he had a sinking feeling in his chest like he’d just ordered his men to storm the enemy equivalent of the Pentagon and he had a firm notion of just what sort of response that would warrant.



He’d have to ask himself, when the dust settled if potentially starting a war with an alien superpower was worth the retrieval of one soldier and two allied leaders, then he’d promptly remind himself that any superpower that conducted itself like a bunch of gangsters wasn’t worth respecting.



No, to hell with this.



They were going to send a message of their own.



Loud and clear.



Run your kingdom how you like, but set foot on any soil, anywhere that was claimed by the United States or one of its allies and you will spend the rest of your eternal life ruing the damn day.
 
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The Immortal Watch Dog

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By the way I'm guessing unlike in canon nations of NATO are going to be involved fairly early on as well as nations like Australia and New Zealand

Yes, to a degree because they will be used to erect a fence around China to contain them with the new tech. And because the US will need their support and permission setting up orbital defenses and the like.

There will always be an American flag at the lead of everything though and civilian involvement is going to be more pronounced.

I'll probably have Elizabeth Weir cameo soon, Woolsey as well. Though they won't play a major role in events until The Lost City saga.
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Yes, to a degree because they will be used to erect a fence around China to contain them with the new tech. And because the US will need their support and permission setting up orbital defenses and the like.

There will always be an American flag at the lead of everything though and civilian involvement is going to be more pronounced.

I'll probably have Elizabeth Weir cameo soon, Woolsey as well. Though they won't play a major role in events until The Lost City saga.
Oh boy the Jaffa get to deal with the SAS they'll have a fun time with that. I'm sure they'll love it. Plus having other nations like Canada and Australia on board means that the SGC can have more remote locations on Earth in which to conduct starship maintenance, repairs, rearming, and construction in secret albeit a major priority will probably be making a off world shipyard ASAP.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Oh boy the Jaffa get to deal with the SAS they'll have a fun time with that. I'm sure they'll love it. Plus having other nations like Canada and Australia on board means that the SGC can have more remote locations on Earth in which to conduct starship maintenance, repairs, rearming, and construction in secret albeit a major priority will probably be making a off world shipyard ASAP.

I was actually thinking of having them at some point do joint training missions in the arctic with allied Jaffa at some point. I could see Brat'ac coming back to base one night carrying a polar bear on his back all "THIS WAS A GLORIOUS DAY OFF!".

The Serpent legions are going to run face first into Earth's best Spook troops who've spent a generation now fighting the kind of war that Apophis hasn't even seen since he was a little snake.

And yeah Ghurka regiments and the SAS are eventually going to make their debut, they'll probably also be a cameo by a member of the house of Yamato at some point during a mission to I'yzoumo (Amaterasu's Throne World). Since at some point they'll have to try and get the support of some one in their war against Apophis and that old board's had a vendetta against him for thirty thousand years.

At which point we might get Jaffa Gigantopithicus, SAS and O'Neill's marines or Ghurka verses Serpent Guard in a huge ass fight through a palace the size of Manhattan.


That's the thing, the last time the Goa'uld had to fight like insurgents Ra and Apophis were still Hammond's age which would basically count as a preteen for their kind.

They've been on the ropes as a species plenty of times and bounced back Ala the US during world war two or the ACW..But they haven't had to fight the way, say The VC did in a hundred millennia or more.

So this is going to be a culture shock.
 

DocSolarisReich

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Yes, to a degree because they will be used to erect a fence around China to contain them with the new tech. And because the US will need their support and permission setting up orbital defenses and the like.

Geopolitically, from a homeworld defense standpoint, even NATO cannot afford to alienate the SCO (Russia and China). And getting them onside would help deconflict Taiwan and Ukraine, so the sooner the better methinks.
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Geopolitically, from a homeworld defense standpoint, even NATO cannot afford to alienate the SCO (Russia and China). And getting them onside would help deconflict Taiwan and Ukraine, so the sooner the better methinks.
But unlike in canon they aren't getting any BC-304s. Or their equivalents. Also unlike in canon I get the feeling that the SGC is going to have some spare Stargates lying around as a reserve in storage albeit ones that are buried.
 

DocSolarisReich

Esoteric Spaceman
But unlike in canon they aren't getting any BC-304s. Or their equivalents. Also unlike in canon I get the feeling that the SGC is going to have some spare Stargates lying around as a reserve in storage albeit ones that are buried.

Unless the US commits to reindustrializing (and that would require disciplining the oligarchs who like the rates of return granted by outsourcing labor intensive and dirty industry), then the tech for such things will bleed to China and Russia eventually, better to face that head on rather than antagonize people who could be funding and supplying your XCOM rather than subverting it.
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Unless the US commits to reindustrializing (and that would require disciplining the oligarchs who like the rates of return granted by outsourcing labor intensive and dirty industry), then the tech for such things will bleed to China and Russia eventually, better to face that head on rather than antagonize people who could be funding and supplying your XCOM rather than subverting it.
Oh I have no doubt that the oligarchs are going to get disciplined when the fate of the planet depends on it. And yeah having Russia and Chuna onboard would be a good idea but they're going to have to earn the shiny stuff by behaving like say as related to Ukraine, Hong Kong and the like. Oh and no more cultural genocide
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Unless the US commits to reindustrializing (and that would require disciplining the oligarchs who like the rates of return granted by outsourcing labor intensive and dirty industry), then the tech for such things will bleed to China and Russia eventually, better to face that head on rather than antagonize people who could be funding and supplying your XCOM rather than subverting it.

One thing at a time, right now they'll be more concerned about how to explain the fact that they have access to room temperature super conductors via Abydos and the issues they'll have is how to pressure the elites into abandoning their useless hatred or coal and nuclear power since Naquaduah will mean more bang for your bucks there.

For now the goal won't be to build warships but to turn American power into penny's on the dime and to begin reversing the global warming issue and the pharmaceutical boom from all the new alien plants. Plus the advantages in computing and stuff.

That's sorta of how Ellis plans to solve those other issues, leak enough through based billionaires via these domestic boons that by the time the issue of building warships comes around they won't be in a position to bitch.

Oh I have no doubt that the oligarchs are going to get disciplined when the fate of the planet depends on it. And yeah having Russia and Chuna onboard would be a good idea but they're going to have to earn the shiny stuff by behaving like say as related to Ukraine, Hong Kong and the like. Oh and no more cultural genocide

Eventually once they get to the Pegasus Galaxy and the events of Sunmit takes place they'll need every major world power to lend a hand in constructing warships. So China will have to get on board eventually.

But it'll have to be humbled first.

Right now the Stellar Navy consists of a crashed Asgardian ship they've been trying to reverse engineer since 1947 and the USS Constellation which is only like 17% built and they've been working on that since 1982
 

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One thing at a time, right now they'll be more concerned about how to explain the fact that they have access to room temperature super conductors via Abydos and the issues they'll have is how to pressure the elites into abandoning their useless hatred or coal and nuclear power since Naquaduah will mean more bang for your bucks there.

For now the goal won't be to build warships but to turn American power into penny's on the dime and to begin reversing the global warming issue and the pharmaceutical boom from all the new alien plants. Plus the advantages in computing and stuff.

That's sorta of how Ellis plans to solve those other issues, leak enough through based billionaires via these domestic boons that by the time the issue of building warships comes around they won't be in a position to bitch.



Eventually once they get to the Pegasus Galaxy and the events of Sunmit takes place they'll need every major world power to lend a hand in constructing warships. So China will have to get on board eventually.

But it'll have to be humbled first.

Right now the Stellar Navy consists of a crashed Asgardian ship they've been trying to reverse engineer since 1947 and the USS Constellation which is only like 17% built and they've been working on that since 1982
I get the feeling that the reason why the Constellation is so far from completion was a lack of funding and suitable tech. Also I guess the USN's new frigate class in this timeline needs a new name for its lead ship
 

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I get the feeling that the reason why the Constellation is so far from completion was a lack of funding and suitable tech. Also I guess the USN's new frigate class in this timeline needs a new name for its lead ship

It would, wouldn't?

A lack of funding due to a lack of urgency and material science advances. Which should be rectified by certain advancements provided by SG-1 and a certain system Lord who will need to seek asylum once Apophis goes off his meds.
 

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