Fallout The Vaults are NOT inhumane experiments, instead they are as advertised

[CarlManvers2019]

And the Enclave itself knows this and aims to establish contact as soon as possible

How do things go when they find that there are people who have still managed to survive the wasteland, possibly a couple of decades later?

Do the Enclave and Vaults remain xenophobic? If presumably speaking they can just continue to liver in their underground bunkers for many more generations instead of interacting with the wastelanders who maybe dangerous

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Wasnt VaultCo an Enclave (or whatever you want to call it) Op? Are you suggesting a world where VaultCo had nothing to do with the government at all?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Wasnt VaultCo an Enclave (or whatever you want to call it) Op? Are you suggesting a world where VaultCo had nothing to do with the government at all?

Suggesting more of a world wherein government, military and corporate interests decided that it'd be better to NOT do something so horrific and immoral when really it's not even practical

Valery Barstow

Overseer Doctor Valery Barstow is the Overseer of Vault 88, surviving as a ghoul in 2287, in Vault-Tec Workshop, encountered during the quest Better Living Underground. Valery Barstow was meant to become overseer of Vault 88, but the fallout shelter's construction had barely begun when the bombs...

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This lady is fucking insane, you don't have to do "(un)necessary evils" to serve the Greater Good

 

[What's the sitch?]

I don't see all of the vaults being filled with people if they are as advertised (assuming it is forced and people don't just take them over anyway). And some of the premises of some of them would be unable to happen anyway (the one that demands a sacrifice every year to test peoples blind obedience).

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I don't see all of the vaults being filled with people if they are as advertised (assuming it is forced and people don't just take them over anyway). And some of the premises of some of them would be unable to happen anyway (the one that demands a sacrifice every year to test peoples blind obedience).

Well, I did say aa “advertised” which means they’re legit new homes that will last for a long while, no horrible experimentations

Plus, lots of people were hoping for a place inside, I think they either paid for it or were lucky enough to be selected(for the experiments that won’t happen here)

If it’s as advertised, I think it would be you’re better chance if you pay for it, or if some geneticists think you’re good for repopulating the species

 

[Husky_Khan]

Well they could just work as intended to keep people alive. There's no need to make things "special" since many of the Vaults were pretty well stocked and populated despite the weird restrictions placed on them for various experiments.

It'll probably be easier because you won't need to find 99.9% gender ratios for one vault or another, or set up special killing rooms or establishing generational lineages of Overseers devoting resources to odd experiments instead of just towards survival and repopulation.

Everyone gets GECKs and water chips and no crazy Gary clones or weird gas pumped into their ventilation. With how Vault 8 turned into Vault City, Vault 15 became Shady Sands (among other people), Vault 13 helped found Arroyo, and Vault 34 established the Boomers etc... There was obvious promise in universe for the Vaults continuing civilization.

With all the Vaults dedicated to actual survival and reestablishment of civilization things would almost certainly turn out for the better in general I feel.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Suggesting more of a world wherein government, military and corporate interests decided that it'd be better to NOT do something so horrific and immoral when really it's not even practical

This lady is fucking insane, you don't have to do "(un)necessary evils" to serve the Greater Good

So then it's still the Enclave, or shadow government, or whatever, running the show, they're essentially just building more Enclave vaults.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

With all the Vaults dedicated to actual survival and reestablishment of civilization things would almost certainly turn out for the better in general I feel.

What would tell them it’s safe to come out though?

 

[Husky_Khan]

What would tell them it’s safe to come out though?

They could either use their own guidelines or get a signal from the government. Most seemed to use their own guidelines, whether preset or otherwise and others would've kept doing their thing until they got contact, like when Vault 13 opened up after the Enclave had the appropriate codes. Enclave also tried contacting Vault 101 but that Overseer seemed skeptical and didn't open up for them. But Vault 101 also sent out exploration parties prior and seemingly of their own initiative as well.

So I mean... either option could work. Or a variety of them so that releases can be staggered or something.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

They could either use their own guidelines or get a signal from the government. Most seemed to use their own guidelines, whether preset or otherwise and others would've kept doing their thing until they got contact, like when Vault 13 opened up after the Enclave had the appropriate codes. Enclave also tried contacting Vault 101 but that Overseer seemed skeptical and didn't open up for them. But Vault 101 also sent out exploration parties prior and seemingly of their own initiative as well.

So I mean... either option could work. Or a variety of them so that releases can be staggered or something.

I guess some will be too "cautious" after finding the dangers above

May take some being ambitious, having a split, being real adventurous and really well armed to decide to go out and expose themselves to possible attacks

 

[S'task]

Firstly, remember, not all Vaults were experiments, quite a few were control vaults that were running as advertised. Pretty much all the vaults that ended up developing into local effective communities when they came out were all these control vaults, so we know that the basic premise of the vault system actually worked quite well.

Secondly, not all the experiments were completely unethical or THAT weird. Vault 13, IIRC, was meant to test how a very long term of isolation of an otherwise properly managed population would perform. This only got messed up due to the Water Chip failing and the need to acquire another one, had the shipment of spares not been messed up, Vault 13 could have continued along under its experiment pretty happily and without incident.

Also, some vaults had local radiation detectors that could tell them if the local area was safe. This wouldn't work for ALL the vaults, as the bombs would likely have destroyed many of these sensors for Vaults in high value target areas, but that serves as an easy method for at least some of the vaults to know when to come out.

As such, the obvious answer is kinda obvious? With more functional vaults that aren't psychotic experiments, well, once things cool down enough, you see a much more successful effort to rebuild undertaken. You will have a much healthier and supplied population of humans to draw on for rebuilding, and as those who came out early due to having effective sensors find Vaults that lacked those sensors and are thus still sealed, they'd be able to draw them out and into the larger world.

Long and short of it is, the post war world looks a lot less messy.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I guess some will be too "cautious" after finding the dangers above

May take some being ambitious, having a split, being real adventurous and really well armed to decide to go out and expose themselves to possible attacks

Well I mean some Vaults did so already. Vault 101 was apparently in a bad location and somehow Vault 3 ended up getting taken over by the Fiends, but a lot of the Vaults did work out just fine. Even social experiment ones like Vault 15 and Vault 34 ended up creating... interesting societies.

Also while the Enclave had their fingers in some of the Vault Experiment... Others were Vault Tec exclusive. The Enclave and US government clearly didn't have full control of the Vault program and that would be further mitigated the longer time goes on.

But Yeah surface sensors could work... Or sending out robots... Then manned expeditions as needed to ascertain whether things are going well. The nice thing is they have actual locations of other Vaults and so if this is a coordinated program there could be a network on connections when they do decide to open up.

Like Southern California might've looked a lot better with Vault 15 and Vault 13 linking up soon after opening. And if the Necropolis Vault worked as intended... They'd be a short journey to the South. And you already had positive societies like Junktown and the Hub, Followers of Apocalypse and the Brotherhood of Steel out and about.

 

[Aaron Fox]

The thing, oddly enough, is that the Vaults only work in conjunction with what appeared to be the US's SDI grid at the time (given that House managed to get three SDI lasers up and running in his casino, just not at full capability without the Platinum Chip), for any 'near encounter' with a nuke would annihilate them...

... and given that the SDI grid was caught flat-footed at the time thanks to China's super stealth subs...