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[SoliFortissimi]

So what's your problem with voluntary euthanasia?

 

[stephen the barbarian]

So what's your problem with voluntary euthanasia?

we're skeptical of "voluntary" part.

 

[LordsFire]

So what's your problem with voluntary euthanasia?

It should never be in the hands of the government or any organization with financial incentives to recommend.

If someone decides life is too rough, it takes a few minutes research on the internet and not much money to get enough over-the-counter drugs for a relatively painless death by overdose. I don't believe it's morally right, but it's their life, they can end it if they want.

External sources of input, especially government-run health care which operates on a finite budget and is looking to cut costs, is full of perverse incentives to get people to kill themselves for a couple grand rather than cost the system hundreds of thousands or millions in expenses.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

we're skeptical of "voluntary" part.

Why?

It should never be in the hands of the government or any organization with financial incentives to recommend.

If someone decides life is too rough, it takes a few minutes research on the internet and not much money to get enough over-the-counter drugs for a relatively painless death by overdose. I don't believe it's morally right, but it's their life, they can end it if they want.

External sources of input, especially government-run health care which operates on a finite budget and is looking to cut costs, is full of perverse incentives to get people to kill themselves for a couple grand rather than cost the system hundreds of thousands or millions in expenses.

Once again, I'm confused at how my supposed ideological opposite always gives me the best debates.

I fully agree with your argument. The current system in most Western countries gives incentives to healthcare professionals to get rid of "money pit" patients and to manipulate them into signing their own death warrants.

Literally.

The only disincentives I can see are media scrutiny and Conservative politicians. And I'm not sure if the latter are relevant anymore.

 

[mrttao]

Why does this sound familiar….?

Oh. Right.

movie deleted. anyone backed it up?

 

[mrttao]

So what's your problem with voluntary euthanasia?

The part it isn't voluntary. as show in literally every country that legalized it.
I was all for it, then I saw it legalized in various countries. then I saw them forcing people into it. For example, refusing to give people painkillers until they sign the paperwork permitting their euthanasia.

 

[sander093]

The part it isn't voluntary. as show in literally every country that legalized it.
I was all for it, then I saw it legalized in various countries. then I saw them forcing people into it. For example, refusing to give people painkillers until they sign the paperwork permitting their euthanasia.

I think it might be in this very thread but there have been a few publicly known examples of Doctors straight up refusing to treat people and demanding they sign up.

And then there's the vet who needed a chair lift and was told to sign up for it....

 

[DarthOne]

movie deleted. anyone backed it up?

It was a report that a Canadian father had his perfectly healthy autistic son euthanized. Not sure if it got deleted because it turned out to be Fake News or because YouTube went ‘shut it down’.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

So is it safe to say that Canada is now declaring open season on people with mental and physical handicaps in this case? Doughboy might as well have signed a death sentence on someone like me then.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

So is it safe to say that Canada is now declaring open season on people with mental and physical handicaps in this case? Doughboy might as well have signed a death sentence on someone like me then.

Safe? Yeah. But inaccurate.

The part it isn't voluntary

It is voluntary, or it would be homicide.

 

[mrttao]

It is voluntary, or it would be homicide.

And every country that legalized it, is having massive amount of homocide that is being aided and abetted by the govt.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

And every country that legalized it, is having massive amount of homocide that is being aided and abetted by the govt.

Here you go again, torturing definitions. It's not homicide if it's voluntary. And provide proof if you think it isn't.

 

[stephen the barbarian]

And provide proof if you think it isn't.

is this enough for you to pull your head out of your ass for once.
'Disturbing': Experts troubled by Canada's euthanasia laws
BY MARIA CHENG
Published 8:31 AM MDT, August 11, 2022

Many Canadians support euthanasia and the advocacy group Dying With Dignity says the procedure is "driven by compassion, an end to suffering and discrimination and desire for personal autonomy." But human rights advocates say the country's regulations lack necessary safeguards, devalue the lives of disabled people and are prompting doctors and health workers to suggest the procedure to those who might not otherwise consider it.

Equally troubling, advocates say, are instances in which people have sought to be killed because they weren't getting adequate government support to live.

Canada is set to expand euthanasia access next year, but these advocates say the system warrants further scrutiny now.

Euthanasia "cannot be a default for Canada's failure to fulfill its human rights obligations," said Marie-Claude Landry, the head of its Human Rights Commission.

 

[Bigking321]

Wasn't there a scandal where their suicide prevention stuff started to recommend euthanasia as a available option?

 

[SoliFortissimi]

'Disturbing': Experts troubled by Canada's euthanasia laws
BY MARIA CHENG

Is this a joke? Your very own link says that it's voluntary.

If you have a problem with voluntary euthanasia, say so.

 

[stephen the barbarian]

Your very own link says that it's voluntary.

are you really this stupid?
my link points to falsified paperwork, withheld treatment, and financial fuckery being used to coerce healthy individuals into dying against their will.
IT"S THE COERCION WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH!!

 

[Jormungandr]

@SoliFortissimi Bro, work on your reading comprehension skills. smh

 

[SoliFortissimi]

my link points to falsified paperwork, withheld treatment, and financial fuckery being used to coerce healthy individuals into dying against their will.

I can't read the whole article because it's getting blocked. The passage you quoted, however, does not indicate any coercion.

Coercion would be if they were forcibly euthanized, rather than just given an option and persuaded that it's best for them. The latter is a problem I've already acknowledge on this very thread, and the former is something I'll need proof on.

 

[Typhonis]

Ein Reich, Ein Folk, Ein Canada.

 

[stephen the barbarian]

I can't read the whole article because it's getting blocked.

here are 2men who were listed in the articail

Alan Nichols had a history of depression and other medical issues, but none were life-threatening. When the 61-year-old Canadian was hospitalized in June 2019 over fears he might be suicidal, he asked his brother to "bust him out" as soon as possible.

Within a month, Nichols submitted a request to be euthanized and he was killed, despite concerns raised by his family and a nurse practitioner.

His application for euthanasia listed only one health condition as the reason for his request to die: hearing loss.

Nichols' family reported the case to police and health authorities, arguing that he lacked the capacity to understand the process and was not suffering unbearably — among the requirements for euthanasia. They say he was not taking needed medication, wasn't using the cochlear implant that helped him hear, and that hospital staffers improperly helped him request euthanasia.

"Alan was basically put to death," his brother Gary Nichols said.

Before being euthanized in August 2019 at age 41, Sean Tagert struggled to get the 24-hour-a-day care he needed. The government provided Tagert, who had Lou Gehrig's disease, with 16 hours of daily care at his home in Powell River, British Columbia. He spent about 264 Canadian dollars ($206) a day to pay coverage during the other eight hours.

Health authorities proposed that Tagert move to an institution, but he refused, saying he would be too far from his young son. He called the suggestion "a death sentence" in an interview with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.

Before his death, Tagert had raised more than CA$16,000 ($12,400) to buy specialized medical equipment he needed to live at home with caretakers. But it still wasn't enough.

"I know I'm asking for change," Tagert wrote in a Facebook post before his death. "I just didn't realize that was an unacceptable thing to do."