Terthna
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I can see your point; perhaps my statement should have instead been phrased that Europe's current problems are not caused by them abandoning Christianity.
The (self inflicted) Death of Europe
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I don't know. If Christian Faith was going stronger, maybe less people would be joining terror groups like ISIS or Al Quaida in search of meaning for their lives.
CarlManvers2019
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They would probably still be unhappy douchebags, honestly they just want to follow a charismatic leader
They would probably look at a Church giving out charity and helping the poor and look on with apathy
It’s because they just want to have a meaning, NOT one where they actually are nice people, being the latter takes more effort and is boring
They would rather be raping women than they would want to be monks living frugal lives
CarlManvers2019
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They are “selfless” in the Ayn Rand sense, they just want approval from others, they can’t really think for themselves
Terthna
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I doubt it. The sort of person who would join groups like ISIS or Al Quaida in search of meaning, is just looking for an excuse to do evil to others; regardless of what that excuse is. The only thing Christianity would do, is give them different targets.
CarlManvers2019
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That or they find that they are too bored with Christianity
They want to go on a Crusade and murder lots of innocent people
Hell, I think they might want to just enter some christian religious fundamentalist cult ran by a priest who never even received a vocation and stay somewhere far from civilization
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I wonder if a common culture and community and ability to attend the same place as your locale and recieve help and participate together and interact with one another and have a stronger reason to have children that correlates with higher birth rates and uphold social norms and might just be good to have. Homogeneity does tend to correlate towards social cohesion and order after all.
And I think people who think there is any "proof" of god or any aspect of their religion are not only delusional, but breaking an important aspect of their own religion. "Blessed are they that have not seen and yet believed."
Errr... you do realize that you are quoting Jesus, right?
Specifically, Jesus after His resurrection, to Thomas who believed because Jesus was right there in the room in front of him.
LordsFire
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Did you?
Because I can absolutely tell you, the Bible does not teach that people should have blind faith. Even if some churches have started teaching that, it's not what is in the Bible. The idea that Christianity teaches to have faith for no reason, is yet another Atheist strawman.
I'd pursue the point further, but we've already been wandering back and forth across derailment here.
DarthOne
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It predates the Nazis by almost a century and was a hold over from that time while Hitler and the Nazis worked to gradually de-Christianize (or at least heavily warp Christian teaching and institutions) in Germany and Europe.
The whole point of having faith is that there is no proof. You and others seem to keep forgetting that I used to be Christian myself. The whole point of that quote is that you shouldn't need proof to believe in the word. It's also a passage that often gets trotted out by fundamentalists whenever the subject of evolution or the age of the planet ever comes up, because no matter how much proof you show them, they'll ignore it and just keep on believing what they want to believe. 
Yeah that's why Thomas Aquinas is so revered. He just said "Yeah, there's no evidence of anything, no reason, just keep your head down and ask no questions because you will get no answers." He's quite famous for that.
Terthna
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What does Thomas Aquinas have to do with Captain X's argument?
The point there is that the "just believe what we tell you to, don't question or ask for evidence" culture he claims to have been in is in no way representative of the whole of Christianity.
Except my point was to criticize this odd need to "prove" religious mythology and doctrine when one of the things Jesus said when it came to people wanting proof of his miracles was that you really shouldn't need proof to believe. That's why faith is called faith, after all. I also made a point about how certain religious types will refuse to believe proof shown to them of things they don't want to believe in, like evolution and the Earth being more than 6,000 years old, and that this is an example of faith over proof.
I also made a point about how certain religious types will refuse to believe proof shown to them of things they don't want to believe in, like evolution and the Earth being more than 6,000 years old, and that this is an example of faith over proof.Lanmandragon
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Rest assured that in a few generations Europe will be highly relgious. It'll just be Islam instead of Christanity.
CarlManvers2019
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And unlike the West, it won’t have entire generations “Sticking It To The Man” as they will be too indoctrinated or actually afraid to stand up
I wonder how Alan Moore or the guy who made Judge Dredd will feel about actually living through a truly repressive conformist society
Terthna
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Except he didn't make that point; at all. He just name-dropped a theologian, and fabricated a hyperbolic quote out of thin air; in what I assume was an attempt to ridicule Captain X's argument.
He's a friar and philosopher sanctified in the Catholic Church and one of the things he is most famous for is his 5 logical proofs of the existence of God. I am mocking Captain X because he apparently understands interpretation of Christian scripture and meaning better than him and the entire Catholic Church and majority of Christians who ever lived given his flies in the face of one of the actions and philosophy of one of the most well known Christian Philosophers who is still well known and studied close to a thousand years after his death. I am mocking the cocksure atheist who believes he is smarter than all those idiots who believe in the sky man and knows what they believe in better than they do because he doesn't believe it himself.