The Problem with McCarthy was he failed

[CarlManvers2019]

Yes.

Also It's more elephant teenagers that corpse rape..fully mature Bulls don't seem to do that often.

Dolphins do...though apparently?

Basically highly sophisticated warm blooded animals are hardwired to be shitheads...Which is why communism invariably ends in Feudalism, degeneracy, cannibalism and collapse. View attachment 215

Honestly, as competitive and social darwinistic it is, Capitalism's the least-worst way to deal with mankind's inner asshole by doing trade instead of violence because it'd cost way more if you do violence instead of trade and unlike communism, you don't necessarily have to force yourself to buddy-buddy with people in a very forced manner

 

[Abhorsen]

He was full of it about the list, not so much about the infiltration and the organized attack on certain sectors of the US military and on American culture. As I said McCarthy's problem was his presentation and way of doing things, not so much his accusations.

He was right in the same way a dice can add 2+2. He was a bad person, who exploited that the US government was infiltrated for personal gain. He had no evidence that such infiltration existed, he was just lucky enough that there were commies in the US government. He is one of the worst Americans, one who exploited a national problem for his own gain, making America worse in the process.

The other guy you mention? He is literally the opposite. He knew that there were SDS types that he wanted to target. If he was like McCarthy, it would be more like him grabbing random people, claiming they were SDS with no evidence, burning them to distract the masses and raise his popularity, then by accident getting some right.

Basically, if a gunman fires into a crowd randomly, and kills a bunch of people, and some (by accident) were terrorists, he did something bad.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

He was right in the same way a dice can add 2+2. He was a bad person, who exploited that the US government was infiltrated for personal gain. He had no evidence that such infiltration existed, he was just lucky enough that there were commies in the US government. He is one of the worst Americans, one who exploited a national problem for his own gain, making America worse in the process.

I think you're ascribing more to him than he was. Joe McCarthy wasn't an evil person or a bad man, he was a drunken idiot who saw a problem, saw problem solvers and blundered his way into the clusterfuck and inserted himself as the lead problem solver.

Leigh was a maniac who believed Jesus Christ (Loeopoldo Galtieri also believed this, but he was a hardcore Alchy like McCarthy) put him on earth to kill communists by lighting them on fire.

Both had inverse batting average from each other in that for every innocent person Leigh had tortured to death, he BBQ'd 7 actual leftwing terrorists..where Shithouse Joe fucked over seven randos for every genuine commie he bowled over.

The other guy you mention? He is literally the opposite. He knew that there were SDS types that he wanted to target. If he was like McCarthy, it would be more like him grabbing random people, claiming they were SDS with no evidence, burning them to distract the masses and raise his popularity, then by accident getting some right.

Except that McCarthy wasn't wrong alll the time. It's a modern fiction to say all of the blacklist victims perpetrated by McCarthy himself and the McCarthyists going after hollywood were innocent. They actually got a lot of scumbags...The guys independent of the Drunk had a better average to boot.

He was wrong something like 70% of the time..which was his problem.

Leigh was correct 70% of the time..wrong the other 30.

Both suffered from serious debilitating issues that made their involvement a double edged sword and resulted in the disgrace of both and the exile of one and the premature death of the other.

I don't even know if Joe was genuinely chasing influence, he might have just been too fucked up to even see what he was doing. Hence why I compared the two. It isn't a defense it's an explanation..when you have a serious social ill that genuinely needs to be addressed and addressed swiftly and intensely..the last thing you need is for crazy or drunk or both to be conducting the purge.

Basically, if a gunman fires into a crowd randomly, and kills a bunch of people, and some (by accident) were terrorists, he did something bad.

Both men then did something bad..but with varying degrees.

Both destroyed guilty and innocent like..both were crazed in their own way.

Both managed to get some bad guys to go down with them.

I think McCarthy is the bigger fuck up of the two, because he made those traitorous scumbags the victims and legitimized anti-right wing blacklisting....and made any attempt to address any of the uglier aspects of the civil rights movement impossible and justified the modern use of "Oh you're just a hysteric/conspiracy nut/racist/McCarthyist" defense to attack anyone deemed on "the wrong side of history" (It's why seeing Whitehall rejects here who claim to be right wing rail against confederate statues and their defenders, fills me with disgust. You're not a conservative, you're a useful idiot of the left) because of his actions.

Leigh was a necessary evil..and Pinochet removed him as soon as his crazy ass became unmanageable.

In the end...both did damage to their own side..in that they allowed the leftists to retroactively spin a narrative gargled by cuckservatives ..and sanctimonious fools who think they're protection the constitution by allowing it to be butchered. A narrative that ultimately makes..addressing a severe and debilitating social ill... All the more difficult....

But if I'll agree with you that if we go on a grade McCarthy did more damage. I only said the two were similar.

 

[Abhorsen]

I think you're ascribing more to him than he was. Joe McCarthy wasn't an evil person or a bad man, he was a drunken idiot who saw a problem, saw problem solvers and blundered his way into the clusterfuck and inserted himself as the lead problem solver.

You see, I don't think the evidence available supports that opinion of McCarthy at all. His lie at the very beginning started it all. And he had no evidence prior to the hearings, and he presented no evidence. Given this, the most likely explanation for acts is some kind of self aggrandizing role. I have seen no real evidence that at the start he really believed he had found communists. Now later on, he probably bought his own bs, because that's what people do. But given this, the motivation wasn't trying to save America by finding communists, but instead self aggrandizement. Before his speech, he was considered the worst US Senator, as he had just stood up for Nazis against American soldiers who he accused of torture. He probably would have lost reelection. His list that he eventually presented? Basically stolen from the Lee List, which had been presented 3 years ago. The whole thing was lies up and down.

He was wrong something like 70% of the time..which was his problem.

Much worse. Of the 158 accused by McCarthy through various lists, only 9 were confirmed later (through released Venona intercepts).

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

You see, I don't think the evidence available supports that opinion of McCarthy at all. His lie at the very beginning started it all. And he had no evidence prior to the hearings, and he presented no evidence. Given this, the most likely explanation for acts is some kind of self aggrandizing role. I have seen no real evidence that at the start he really believed he had found communists. Now later on, he probably bought his own bs, because that's what people do. But given this, the motivation wasn't trying to save America by finding communists, but instead self aggrandizement. Before his speech, he was considered the worst US Senator, as he had just stood up for Nazis against American soldiers who he accused of torture. He probably would have lost reelection. His list that he eventually presented? Basically stolen from the Lee List, which had been presented 3 years ago. The whole thing was lies up and down.

Yeah ignore his history of mental illness, severe and chronic alcoholism and the fact that many of the people be allegedly framed were only cited as innocent because witnesses against them were intimidated into silence.

Much worse. Of the 158 accused by McCarthy through various lists, only 9 were confirmed later (through released Venona intercepts).

They were vindicated by traitors and lazy asses yes. And cowards working to cater to the mob.

That doesn't equate it with justice. Most of those who were "vindicated" were open commies

 

[Abhorsen]

Your first part is two issues, so I'll address them one at a time.

Yeah ignore his history of mental illness, severe and chronic alcoholism

That's not a valid excuse for being such scum. He started this all by knowingly lying. This is critical. He decided to use a real problem America had, and exploit it for personal gain despite the harm it would do to the country. I don't care if he was drunk, he decided to drink. I care a little that he had mental problems, But they weren't so bad that he couldn't tell right from wrong. This was a moral failing, and a huge one he continued to compound on.

and the fact that many of the people be allegedly framed were only cited as innocent because witnesses against them were intimidates into silence.

This is irrelevant though. The evil of McCarthy is disconnected from the guilt or innocence of his accusations, because he had no idea. Again, as I demonstrated above, his list was bullshit, and he presented no evidence. Even if they were all guilty, he would be the equivalent of a mass shooter at a mall happening to only kill terrorists: still evil, just lucky.

They were vindicated by traitors and lazy asses yes. And cowards working to cater to the mob.

That doesn't equate it with justice. Most of those who were "vindicated" were open commies

I never said the others were vindicated. I'm just noting that we only know 9 were bad. A prosecutor with such a conviction rate would be fired on the spot. Remember, this is a list of people McCarthy accused, not someone who had any integrity accused. He just blindly chucked darts, and some hit the bullseye only because the bullseye was so big.