The LGBT and the Right

[S'task]

On top of that, gender non-conforming teen girls, who might otherwise be tomboys, are being pushed into being trans. This also annoys some (especially butch) lesbians, who are like "WTF, that would have been me."

It's not just homosexual former tomboys. Hetero former tomboys react that way too. My wife was a tomboy back in middle and high school and she's partially convinced that she would have been pressured to transition.

This would, of course, have destroyed her life... and meant that our daughters would never have been born...

So yeah... fuck transtrenders and this entire pre-adult transitioning stuff.

Bisexuals won't be pushed out, as we are the platonic ideal, as apparently we are attracted to everyone equally (news to me), but we will be reclassified as pansexual (which is the same goddamn thing).

Bisexual will be destroyed since it encourages a dualistic view of gender rather than a spectrum of gender identities. One of the core ideals of the present LGBT ideology is destroying the gender binary and societal gender roles.

Trans people who go all the way and just want to live a normal life will eventually be lashed out at as well.

Already happening... "passing privilege" is apparently a thing.

And I'm just going to roll my eyes at all this crap about social conservatives getting less "conservative" on their issues. They have been forced to reposition on LGBT rights, a fight which, I will be frank, was ALWAYS a loosing position for them some of us said that, and we tried to encourage disengaging and instead entrenching on the freedom of association hill instead of making it a rearguard position like it is now.

But on other social conservative issues? SocCons have actually WON fights, which is more than a lot of the Republican coalition can say. The country is more pro-life now than it has been since Roe, and that doesn't necessarily look like it's going to change. Hell, if we actually had a FAIR media it wouldn't be the Republicans who were constantly answering for their "extremism" on the Abortion issue but rather the Democrats because the Pro-life position is actually CLOSER to what policy surveys show the American people WANT for abortion than the Democrat's "all abortion, all the time, at any age, and the government will pay for it" position is.

Then there's school choice. That has been systemically expanding over the years to the point where Progressives have started to panic about it and know they need to somehow reverse the tide on that topic. Why do you think you suddenly had big academia suddenly publishing opinion pieces condemning homeschooling? You also see them attacking private schools by forcing them to remain closed due to the pandemic even though those schools and the parents with children there want them to reopen. You see it in how one of the first thing Democratic governments take apart when they get power is school choice programs.

And, as I have shown time and again, most of the moral panics y'all attribute to the "Social Conservative" (IE, the DnD / Satanist Panic of the 80s, the Violent Music Panic in the 90s, the Violent Video Game Panic of the 90s/00s) are literally things that were AT BEST extensively bipartisan to being outright dominated by the media where the Social Conservatives were turned into historical scapegoats so that those who actually DID push them extensively could claim they were innocent of them.

 

[Abhorsen]

"Additionally, the reporting conflates cheating with sex outside of the relationship, even though many couples have an understanding that allows for outside relationships. In fact, nonmonogamous cultural norms in gay male culture go a long way toward explaining why they’re far more likely to have sex outside of a committed relationship than everyone else. "

There they go again, redefining what marriage means.

Oh, I totally agree there. Slate is garbage, and they talk about the increasing fidelity among male relationships like its a bad thing. They can't be seen as condemning male partner swapping, and being happy that people aren't cheating.

Given even with the dropping infidelity rate you quote, homosexuals had substantially higher rates of infidelity overall, you're more supporting my argument than contradicting it. Given the generally lower sex drive of women, I'm not terribly surprised that lesbians are less likely to cheat, but it did surprise me a little bit that heterosexual women cheat more than heterosexual men. It's indicative though, that homosexual men cheat enough to drag the average for homosexuals in general way up.

Oh, I agree that male gay relationships are more likely to have cheating in them, but a lot of this is because of gay culture that is dying, and dying quickly. That's my point: that gay marriages are things that are going to cause more fidelity and less non-monogamy, both of which are good goals to have, and why the desire for marriage is pretty conservative. I'm confident that the rate of cheating is way down from 60 percent now as well.

It's not just homosexual former tomboys. Hetero former tomboys react that way too. My wife was a tomboy back in middle and high school and she's partially convinced that she would have been pressured to transition.

This would, of course, have destroyed her life... and meant that our daughters would never have been born...

So yeah... fuck transtrenders and this entire pre-adult transitioning stuff.

Oh, definitely. That's why I just stated "gender non-conforming girls", then noted that butch lesbians specifically were mad about this, but any tomboy could have fallen victim.

Bisexual will be destroyed since it encourages a dualistic view of gender rather than a spectrum of gender identities. One of the core ideals of the present LGBT ideology is destroying the gender binary and societal gender roles.

Yup. That's why, if nothing changes, one day I'll be yelled at for saying I'm bisexual. They want LGB to just become P (for pan). After the LGBT movement got all of its goals, there was no reason to fight, so the activist class had to invent new problems to fight, and decided to attack the gender binary.

Already happening... "passing privilege" is apparently a thing.

I'd say it's not there yet. You aren't yet the enemy just for doing this as long as you bow to them on 'transmedicalism' et al. But it's going there.

And I'm just going to roll my eyes at all this crap about social conservatives getting less "conservative" on their issues. They have been forced to reposition on LGBT rights, a fight which, I will be frank, was ALWAYS a loosing position for them some of us said that, and we tried to encourage disengaging and instead entrenching on the freedom of association hill instead of making it a rearguard position like it is now.

But on other social conservative issues? SocCons have actually WON fights, which is more than a lot of the Republican coalition can say. The country is more pro-life now than it has been since Roe, and that doesn't necessarily look like it's going to change. Hell, if we actually had a FAIR media it wouldn't be the Republicans who were constantly answering for their "extremism" on the Abortion issue but rather the Democrats because the Pro-life position is actually CLOSER to what policy surveys show the American people WANT for abortion than the Democrat's "all abortion, all the time, at any age, and the government will pay for it" position is.

Then there's school choice. That has been systemically expanding over the years to the point where Progressives have started to panic about it and know they need to somehow reverse the tide on that topic. Why do you think you suddenly had big academia suddenly publishing opinion pieces condemning homeschooling? You also see them attacking private schools by forcing them to remain closed due to the pandemic even though those schools and the parents with children there want them to reopen. You see it in how one of the first thing Democratic governments take apart when they get power is school choice programs.

Oh, this I utterly agree with. I'm very pro-life and pro-school choice as well. All I'm claiming is that Gay Marriage was effectively a conservative movement (being pro-marriage, pro-family, and pro-fitting in) than people realize.