ASOIAF/GOT The Komneniad: A Very Byzantine ISOT.

Preface
Good evening! I am Witteric of the West, and, having just arrived on this peaceful forum, I figured that what better introduction to my particular brand of madness than my personal favorite among my own stories. Those of you that have seen this in AH or SB, Yes, it is indeed I, Witteric, and it is indeed coming here. Please don't spoil the ride for those that have not stumbled upon this before today. Those of you not familiar with this story, then buckle up for the ride. I hope you enjoy it. Don't be shy about commenting.

There
might be a couple of things as we go that could even surprise some Old Readers. Things that I failed to expand upon the first time around... We shall see.
Without further ado, I hope you enjoy this piece of madness.


Witteric of the West.


The Komneniad: A Very Byzantine ISOT

Your Grace.

It is said among the Rhomans[1], that Time brings from the darkness all things to the birth, and all things born it envelops in the night[2]. Perhaps it is the reason why they are so obsessed with their writings of history. In the end, it is a fortunate thing, for we would not know a great many things about their people, their customs and their manner of ruling otherwise. Thus I present to you this work. Merely this humble servant's translation of one chronicle, written but two decades ago by the Princess Eudokia Komnena, which deals on the story of their ruling house, and of their empire since the events that led to its appearance in the Narrow Sea.

This I do, in response to the requests put forward by Your Grace, that we are to investigate into the manner of ruling of the Rhomans, to see what can be learned of it and what can be copied, in light of the recent succession troubles.

I will also include the writings of Maester Alyn of Sunspear[3] on their history and culture, for they will be useful in helping us determine what can and cannot be applied to the governance of the Seven Kingdoms and in what manner[4]. I shall also endeavor to add in the more recent happenings in their realm, for some of them may be of interest.

Your faithful servant.

Maester Lyman of Dragonstone.


Preface

A great many things have my illustrious ancestors written on the history of Rome. Nikephoros Megas wrote a detailed history of Rome from the times of Konstantinos the Greater[5] down to the dark days of the Iconoclasts, my own father, Emperor Andronikos wrote a chronicle on the life and deeds of Basileios, the Slayer of Bulgars, and other descendants of Alexios I have written on various other periods. But very little has been written on the history of Rome and her people since the providence of God saw fit to transplant these lands of the Empire to the location they now occupy.

It is thus that I, Eudokia, daughter of Basileus Andronikos have undertaken this task, to see that the passage of time does not erase that which ought to be remembered about these times. Of the great deeds of Just Rulers and of the heinous acts of Tyrants, for Rome has been bereft of neither.

Many, amongst our detractors, will scoff and claim that in my writing I shall minimize the acts of tyranny that even the greatest of our house has committed. Some, amongst our most stalwart supporters, will say that I am not giving my own ancestors the glory they deserve for their deeds. But he who dares to write these histories must swallow his own feelings. For many a time, he must praise his enemies and accuse those dear to him for their mistakes. I can only give the small comfort of stating, that I have sought out as many men who have witnessed the things I write of as the divine providence has allowed me to find.

I must now start at some point. And I will do so at the earliest time for which I could have reliable witnesses, at the final years of the reign of Alexios I.


[1] Westerosi texts will refer to the Byzantines as "Rhomans" due to the transliteration of the letter "Rho" into High Andal. Byzantine texts will simply read "Roman" which is the translation to English of the term "Rhomaioi"

[2] Maester Lyman is clearly versed in the Greek language and literature, this phrase is a quote from Sophocles which in real life Anna Komnene uses in the opening of the Alexiad.

[3] Maester Alyn having written his own texts fifty years earlier... Although at which point in the timeline of the ASOIAF world the Romans arrived will be intentionally vague, for now at least. The Updates will be from Eudokia's Komneniad unless stated otherwise. However, there will be chapters taking from later translations as well as from Lyman's.

[4] It is fairly clear that this is after a major succession crisis, and that the new King is seeking ways to answer to the instability by reforming the Realm along Roman/Byzantine lines...

[5] Constantine the Great, I will be using mostly transliterations from Greek for their names rather than the anglicized version.




Coming next time: Where is Constantinople? What time is it?
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Which point is this ISOT? Because odds are there now exists a big slaver empire that will raid Westeros for slaves in place of other Essosi powers
 
Which point is this ISOT? Because odds are there now exists a big slaver empire that will raid Westeros for slaves in place of other Essosi powers
All I'll say for now, is that it's much closer to Canon than to the height of Valyrian Might...
Next chapter will be here tomorrow in the morning. I intend to bring 1-2 chapters a day.

EDIT: The Romans will be moving away from slavery, as they were already moving to a semi-feudal system by the 12th century
 
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CarlManvers2019

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All I'll say for now, is that it's much closer to Canon than to the height of Valyrian Might...
Next chapter will be here tomorrow in the morning. I intend to bring 1-2 chapters a day.

Any stuff like theological debates? Or attempts to equate R’hllor with Yahweh and the Great Other with Satan?

The Red God’s faith was inspired by Zoroastrianism which may have influenced Ancient Canaanites who were the precursors of Judaism
 
Any stuff like theological debates? Or attempts to equate R’hllor with Yahweh and the Great Other with Satan?

The Red God’s faith was inspired by Zoroastrianism which may have influenced Ancient Canaanites who were the precursors of Judaism
I touched upon it in the already published version (conflict with R'hllor is... relevant to say the least) but I barely touched on the theological standpoint.
I hope to correct that here in Sietch once we get there, but I'll need someone to remind me to do so heh
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
I touched upon it in the already published version (conflict with R'hllor is... relevant to say the least) but I barely touched on the theological standpoint.
I hope to correct that here in Sietch once we get there, but I'll need someone to remind me to do so heh

There are some guys here who’ve actually listened to and studied theological works and philosophy to do with science and other religions

One of them probably understands it in-depth

About the whole, every other God is the revelation of God’s divinity to them under another guise like how you can say Brahma or Azathoth or Aten are all Yahweh under different guises

Can say the same for the “Many Faced God” though probably gonna lighten the whole focus on DEATH with stuff like “Death Is A Gift” like Eru Illuvatar’s stuff and life as a struggle and blessing
 
There are some guys here who’ve actually listened to and studied theological works and philosophy to do with science and other religions

One of them probably understands it in-depth

About the whole, every other God is the revelation of God’s divinity to them under another guise like how you can say Brahma or Azathoth or Aten are all Yahweh under different guises
I won't comment on that other than the fact that I don't believe in universalism when it comes to religion.

I will simply say that I intend to make religion an aspect of worldbuilding with actual relevance, instead of the afterthought (and wrapper for magic in the case of Melisandre and Thoros) that it was for most of Martin's work (up until the Sparrows showed up). And I hope to give more depth to the Faith of the Seven than Martin did.
 

CarlManvers2019

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I won't comment on that other than the fact that I don't believe in universalism when it comes to religion.

I will simply say that I intend to make religion an aspect of worldbuilding with actual relevance, instead of the afterthought (and wrapper for magic in the case of Melisandre and Thoros) that it was for most of Martin's work (up until the Sparrows showed up). And I hope to give more depth to the Faith of the Seven than Martin did.

Okay

That said, for a Crystal Dragon Jesus trope, gotta say while I used to think of ASOIAF as being “realistic” I now to a degree wonder why it seems they have little to do with things like science and philosophy or much in-regards to theological divisions

Like are the Seven actually one entity or One Entity who acts under different roles

Simple differences in ideas can lead to wars and such
 
Chapter 1
Book 1

From the Great Light to the Second Tyroshi War.

Alexios I Komnenos had ruled for Four and Thirty Years when a great light engulfed the Bosphorus on the night before the great feast of Nativity of the year 6624[1] In the time before the great light, he had seen the Empire in the brink of destruction at the hands of the Turks, and had seen to its salvation. Yet, for two days, no one in the Queen of Cities thought more of the strange lights other than as a curious topic of conversation.

On the third day, two things happened to change the minds of men in the Palace of Blachernae. First, riders came from Thessalonike, telling tales of how, upon the strange lights, the lands to the west and north of the city had vanished. When riders also came from Asia, tellng how all lands east of Herakleia[2] had likewise vanished, the palace was in an uproar. Yet, the more shocking discovery came when various ships of unknown make arrived, having traversed through the Bosphorus from the north and reaching the City.

For nearly a month, merchants and court officials hurried to learn the strange new tongues they brought with them, and in doing so they learned a great many things. For these early ships came from lands known as Tyrosh, Myr, Braavos and Westeros. It was also learned in Constantinople, that ships also came from the South and ended in Thessalonike, coming from other lands, such as Lys, Volantis and the Summer Isles. Some basic information was learned, such as the fact that our lands had taken the place of a chain of isles once notorious for being a haven for pirates and outlaws, however the life of those living in the transplanted lands did not change much for six more months.

It was on the Seventh Month since the Great Light, that dark news came from Herakleia. For an unknown army had come, bearing banners of Red with Black Dragons on them, With a great many knights, warriors and elephants of war. And with them they had put the city to siege.

The Great Barbarian Warlord Maelys and his Golden Company had crossed from the Eastern Mainland, and he had himself proclaimed as Basileus of the Andals. And once he saw Herakleia and heard of the Queen of Cities, he made his purpose to conquer them, and to have himself installed as Basileus of the Romans as well.

Those were dark days, for although the greatest part of the Armies of Rome had been around the Hellespont, the Empire had still lost the greatest part of its lands. Most of Asia, Moesia, Boulgaria, Epiros, the isle of Krete. All vanished in the light. Still, Basileus Alexios was not deterred, and barely had two days passed since the first news of the Warlord's landing came, and he rode alongside his son Ioannes, to gather the armies and march in force. For they both swore oaths to see the Warlord in chains, and to show this new world the consequences of actions such as those commited by Maelys.


[1] Date given in the Byzantine Calendar. Equivalent to 1115 AD.
[2] Heraclea Pontica, modern Karadeniz Ereğli
 
Chapter 2
Author's Note: I'm keeping the original length (AKA: Pretty short) of the chapters rather than merging 2-3 chapters per post for ease of transitioning the story over to this site.

Thus, Maelys had pitched camp outside of Herakleia, and after three weeks his men did breach the walls. Valiantly did the inhabitants resist this Barbarian as they would have the Turk and the Saracen, but the Golden Company was made of hardened warriors who with no mercy rode down the streets of the city. Even then the taking of Herakleia was bloody, with many of the barbarians also being killed in the streets. And when many of the women were known to have taken refuge in the church, they rode to it and put the priests to the sword, taking the gold and the women. And it was to this, that the Armies led by Basileus Alexios and Symbasileus[1] Ioannes arrived in sight of Herakleia.

Upon seeing the smoke and fire, it is said that Basileus Alexios broke in an anger very unusual to him. But his son Ioannes and his goodson, Nikephoros Bryennios did calm him down. And they devised plans to fight. With the rising sun of the third day of the sack, the Romans took positions on the Hills to the Southeast of the city. For the three generals were eager to push the barbarian back across the straits. But they also knew that they could not afford a great bloodbath, for it might leave them vulnerable to future enemies.

Shortly after the dawn, the Romans then descended upon the camp of the warlord Maelys, and in the surprise, many warriors were slain. It is said that Basileus Alexios himself, despite his age, rode at the head of the left wing of the kataphractoi. With Ioannes leading the center, and Bryennios leading the right. And upon hearing the hooves of the Roman horses crashing on their camp, Maelys the Monster did rally his men to make battle, but they were too disorganized. And seeing this, he took every boat in the harbor and rallied his remaining men. And so the Golden Company fled the field for the first time.

Alexios at first gave orders to follow, but there were little boats left in Herakleia. So instead his army pitched camp. And they did camp outside of the ruined city for a week when word came from the Queen of Cities. For emissaries had arrived. Lord Ormund Baratheon, Lord of the Stormlands and Domestikos[2] to the Basileus of the Andals had come to Constantinople, for he had been assigned to command an army against Maelys. However, the news of our arrival caused Basileus Jaehaerys to send him and negotiate terms to lead a joint campaign.

With such news did Basileus Alexios return to the Queen of Cities. Leaving his son and goodson, both proven commanders, to guard the area against future landings. And in Constantinople, the Basileus did meet with Lord Baratheon. And together they drew plans to cross into the mainland with a joint army. And after ten days of talks, the Domestikos left the Queen of Cities to return to his King.

And in the meantime, Maelys and the Golden Company did nurse their wounds, and they began to gather the Tyroshi fleet -For Tyrosh was ruled by an ally of Maelys- and the remainders of the Stepstone Pirates in two great fleets, for they intended to attack the Romans from North and South.

[1] Co-Emperor. John II Komnenos was made co-emperor in 1092.
[2] Roman histories refer to the Hand of the King as Domestikos or Megas Domestikos.
 
Chapter 3
For Six months the Pirates of Samarro Saan and the Old Mother did war with the Romans at sea. Thrice they approached Thessalonike, hoping to sack the city before proceeding to the Hellespont, and thrice they were bloodied and made to retreat. And in that time, Basileus Alexios prepared a second army, keeping the Varangians with him as he did so. While the force led by Symbasileus Ioannes and Nikephoros Bryennios did contest two crossings led by the Ebon Prince, the Nine Eyes and the so-called Lord of Battles. And in this last crossing did Liomond Lhasare, the so-called Lord of Battles perish by a Roman blade.

And once the Six months had passed, a great fleet came to the Bosphorus from the north, bearing the banner of Basileus Jaehaerys. A grand army disembarked, led by the Domestikos Baratheon. While A large Dornish army came to the aid of Thessalonike, and a Hundred Ironborn Longships joined the Roman fleet to smash at last the Pirate Kings off the coast of Lesbos.

And the armies gathered on the Asian side of the Bosphorus, in full sight of the Queen of Cities. Symbasileus Ioannes was recalled, and it was agreed that the Romans would be led by him. And thus they boarded ships once more and chose their landing site. For the Romans had also fought the Tyroshi in those months, and Alexios had made an oath to punish the city for its support of the Warlord Maelys.

But while this came to be, Basileus Alexios came down with an illness, and his face was disfigured and mottled grey. However the illness subsided once his face had been scarred and his skin made as if it was stone to the touch[1]. And Domestikos Baratheon offered him his Maester to treat him, and for this Alexios would honor the man greatly before the armies departed for the Mainland.

And it was thus, that with great fanfare and celebration among the people of the Queen of Cities did the Great Army depart.

[1] Clearly, it was a mild case of Greyscale. His scars are very similar to the ones Shireen Baratheon bears in canon.

Author's Note: Yes, Both Crossbows and Stirrups are in common use, although Heavy Plate is not. And Crossbows are still not the monsters they would have been in the mid 1300s
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Diseases, that’s not something I thought of

Maybe in the parts of Essos, Rome conquers, they go and just put em all out of their misery, right before a priest does the rites from a distance

Instead of sending them to the Doom
 
Diseases, that’s not something I thought of

Maybe in the parts of Essos, Rome conquers, they go and just put em all out of their misery, right before a priest does the rites from a distance

Instead of sending them to the Doom
They won't get far enough to actually have to deal with Greyscale in a massive scale. (ie: They won't get to the banks of the Rhoyne)
But we shall see what happens.
 
Map: Westeros, the Narrow Sea and the Roman Empire as of 260 AC/1115 AD/6624 e.K
Note: e.K is the transliteration of the abbreviation for the Byzantine Calendar, which dated its start on Creation. It is however distinct to the other major Anno Mundi calendars.

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