Movies The Joker.

[Chaos Marine]

Holy shit, this is one hell of a movie. There's a bit where you see something written in the movie, "The worst part about having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don’t." That's one of those hard hitting lines that I'll be thinking of for a while. I saw it with my friends and we were all generally of the same opinion that it was a harrowing, uncomfortable movie and how it depicts mental illnesses and how, should society not treat it as seriously as it should, it can lead to some pretty dark things. I'm still trying to unpack the movie in my head. I may need to go watch it a few more times as well.

Joaquin Phoenix's performance is fantastic. He some how manages to convey being absolutely creepy and intense while being often very softly spoken and timid. It's really hard to put to text but his performance is fantastic. To anyone who thinks this movie is bad or glamorizing violence or "incel culture" or whatever garbage takes, ignore them. Go see this movie.

 

[JagerIV]

Yeah, it was definitely a good movie, but not a "fun" movie. It was immensely uncomfortable to watch for much of it.

 

[FriedCFour]

The way that the movie paralleled the real life freak out about is astonishing beyond belief.

 

[Argent]

I was not sure what was expecting but I did like the movie. It definitely was different from other Superhero movies. Even darker and more serious ones like Logan or Watchmen seem light hearted compared to Joker.

Overall I did like that the movie took time to make it realistic in regards to mental illnesses. The slow build up made the final scenes on the talk show that much more compelling.


One thing I am not sure on was the portrayal of Thomas Wayne. I am not the most knowledgeable and most of what we see of him from Bruce's memories in other works. But it feels like they changed him from a doctor that wanted to use families money and power to save the city to bog standard rich guy that fakes all the right talking points.

That said I did like the subplot about the possibility of him being bastard Wanye. The Wanyes are definitely powerful enough to set up some fake adoption papers in Gotham. The fact that the mother was crazy and had abusive boyfriends would make it that much easier to cover up the truth. But the accepted story is also highly likely because of what we know of Thomas Wanye from other D.C. works in which he would not cheat on his wife with the staff. So it is entirely possible that the mother was just nuts.

 

[Chaos Marine]

To be honest, that we only see Thomas Wayne through Bruce's eyes is always going to be rose tinted as only a young child's opinion can be of their parents. Unless there are other runs I'm not able to remember, in Flashpoint, we see him as a gun-toting vigilante killing criminal like what you'd expect a Rob Liefeld version of Batman to be.

 

[Argent]

To be honest, that we only see Thomas Wayne through Bruce's eyes is always going to be rose tinted as only a young child's opinion can be of their parents. Unless there are other runs I'm not able to remember, in Flashpoint, we see him as a gun-toting vigilante killing criminal like what you'd expect a Rob Liefeld version of Batman to be.

That is true.

The other main viewpoints are from adults from the same social circle or close family friends. I doubt that Afred is going to talk bad about the Wanyes. It is just that most of the D.C. universes Thomas Wanye is portrayed as different and this just clashes with my head cannon from watching and reading past Batman works.

But that was probably the worst thing about the movie to me. So while all the scenes where not fun to watch it did make for an engaging film that covers some uncomfortable topics.

 

[Tyzuris]

This movie was amazing and a sad story and an astute commentary on what happens in worst cases when the society casts away and abandons its most vulnerable members.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Just came across them gem of a parody trailer. It works.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I'm sure many of you heard this already but 'The Joker' surpassed one billion at the box office despite costing less then sixty million to produce. So it basically made sixteen times it's budget which is... really really good.

A Billion-Dollar Joker | National Review

A comic-book movie reimagined comic-book movies, and this matters.

www.nationalreview.com

And of course many in the mainstream media and Regressive Left are heartbroken that their predictions of a mass shooting at one of these theaters didn't occur. Despite you know, being in theaters so long and surpassing so many box office predictions.

 

[Chaos Marine]

I'm sure many of you heard this already but 'The Joker' surpassed one billion at the box office despite costing less then sixty million to produce. So it basically made sixteen times it's budget which is... really really good.

A Billion-Dollar Joker | National Review

A comic-book movie reimagined comic-book movies, and this matters.

www.nationalreview.com

And of course many in the mainstream media and Regressive Left are heartbroken that their predictions of a mass shooting at one of these theaters didn't occur. Despite you know, being in theaters so long and surpassing so many box office predictions.

Exactly, you'd swear quality cinema is enough to draw in a crowd of punters and receive acclaim and praise. Next, they may figure out that trying to pander to the woke and denigrating a particularly large part of the market to score points with people who generally don't go to the cinema but are skilled at howling loudly enough so they sound like a bigger demographic than they actually are.

 

[Argent]

I'm sure many of you heard this already but 'The Joker' surpassed one billion at the box office despite costing less then sixty million to produce. So it basically made sixteen times it's budget which is... really really good.

A Billion-Dollar Joker | National Review

A comic-book movie reimagined comic-book movies, and this matters.

www.nationalreview.com

And of course many in the mainstream media and Regressive Left are heartbroken that their predictions of a mass shooting at one of these theaters didn't occur. Despite you know, being in theaters so long and surpassing so many box office predictions.

Don't worry I am told we are all evil sexist pigs for not going to watch the new Charlie's Angels.

But I am happy that the Joker did so well. This means it is likely that DC and maybe even Marvel will try some simlar superhero movies. Because while I like the Marvel movies and some of the D.C. ones Joker whas a refreshing change of pace simalr to Logan or Deadpool from the standard superhero movie.

 

[Husky_Khan]

It also did well without money from China... /TrumpVoice

 

[Argent]

I mean China is an important market for Hollywood major blockbusters. But right now I think that the studios are overvauling it compared to the Amercian Market. Most movies will do just fine in China without out any changes.

The problem comes when you have a movie that shows China badly or hits one of their weird rules like Ghostbusters. Basically Hoolywood needs to consider the Chinese market but also the Eourpean one and Others like African and Indian one too. This mean balancing film budgets to expected box office and not just counting on Chinese money to make bad movies profitable.

Basically I think Hollywood needs to learn that it is o.k. to make mid level movies that cost 50 million instead of only making blockbusters. They use to do this a lot more but I have noticed less and less with the decline of movies like romantic comedies.

Take Yesterday for example. It cost about 25 million to make and brought in about 150 million box office. But what once used to be a staple of Hollywood with A list actors are now being done by British and Chinese companies instead.

Don't get me wrong I love movies like Ironman but there is also a place for films like Yesterday and Hollywood has forgotten that.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Some lawyer for some Hollywood bigwig let slip that Joker 2 is being planned by Warner Bros.

‘Joker 2’ is happening — but it’s already a ‘hard pass’ for some DC fans

Resurrecting the twisted tale of the grinning green-haired supervillain, the director of the original “Joker,” Todd Phillips, is set to co-write the Academy Award-winning film’s sequel.

nypost.com

 

[Argent]

Some lawyer for some Hollywood bigwig let slip that Joker 2 is being planned by Warner Bros.

‘Joker 2’ is happening — but it’s already a ‘hard pass’ for some DC fans

Resurrecting the twisted tale of the grinning green-haired supervillain, the director of the original “Joker,” Todd Phillips, is set to co-write the Academy Award-winning film’s sequel.

nypost.com

Personally I don't think this movies needs a sequel. It was acharater peice and explored the Joker and his motives. Another movie just feels like filler anime epsoides.

I may he proven wrong but I doubt it.

 

[Chaos Marine]

Personally I don't think this movies needs a sequel. It was acharater peice and explored the Joker and his motives. Another movie just feels like filler anime epsoides.

I may he proven wrong but I doubt it.

I agree. The Joker is a fantastic standalone movie. It has a complete arc in terms of character development and making sure the viewer is entirely... distraught? Drained? It's hard to really verbalise the movie as you feel tired at the end but in a kind of satisfied way. The kind of tired that sleeping won't fix. Probably the best "hero" movie in the last several years if I'm honest. Making a sequel feels like it would lessen it. A better idea would be perhaps the creation of Harley with the Joker being a side character or perhaps one of Batman's other villains. The Mad Hatter would be a good one I think. I don't know, I think a sequel isn't a great idea though.

 

[Argent]

I agree. The Joker is a fantastic standalone movie. It has a complete arc in terms of character development and making sure the viewer is entirely... distraught? Drained? It's hard to really verbalise the movie as you feel tired at the end but in a kind of satisfied way. The kind of tired that sleeping won't fix. Probably the best "hero" movie in the last several years if I'm honest. Making a sequel feels like it would lessen it. A better idea would be perhaps the creation of Harley with the Joker being a side character or perhaps one of Batman's other villains. The Mad Hatter would be a good one I think. I don't know, I think a sequel isn't a great idea though.

Ya I get what you mean. Sometimes a movie doesn't need an expanded universe or be turned into a trilogy. What D.C needs to start doing is plan what story it wants to 5ell and tell it while stop chasing the quick cash. The money will come from good movies as Joker showed. Hell 3gen the MCU had stories they wanted to tell and worked towards that goal.

I also think that you are right about a sequel lesson the frist movie. One of the treat parts was how if the Joker was a Wayne bastards was left open. Yes he was crazy and mom was out there too but there was enough facts shown that the Waynes could have been hiding affair. I just have a bad feeling that Joker 2 is going to father explore that plotline as one of the movies unanswered questions. While personally having be somewhat ambiguous is what makes it great. Also just like the Six Sense the crazy person seeing a hallucination was played out. So that twist that helped drive the frist movie is gone.

I just see problems with it and have no idea what other story that version of Joker needs to tell.


The Mad Hatter or Doctor Freeze would be decent choices. Even a Posion Ivy is or a decent Catwomen fix could work. Batman and the D.C. has a wide range of well known and unknown characters to explore and while the joker was a surprise hit I am sure they could at least make money with a new story.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Ya I get what you mean. Sometimes a movie doesn't need an expanded universe or be turned into a trilogy. What D.C needs to start doing is plan what story it wants to 5ell and tell it while stop chasing the quick cash. The money will come from good movies as Joker showed. Hell 3gen the MCU had stories they wanted to tell and worked towards that goal.

I also think that you are right about a sequel lesson the frist movie. One of the treat parts was how if the Joker was a Wayne bastards was left open. Yes he was crazy and mom was out there too but there was enough facts shown that the Waynes could have been hiding affair. I just have a bad feeling that Joker 2 is going to father explore that plotline as one of the movies unanswered questions. While personally having be somewhat ambiguous is what makes it great. Also just like the Six Sense the crazy person seeing a hallucination was played out. So that twist that helped drive the frist movie is gone.

I just see problems with it and have no idea what other story that version of Joker needs to tell.


The Mad Hatter or Doctor Freeze would be decent choices. Even a Posion Ivy is or a decent Catwomen fix could work. Batman and the D.C. has a wide range of well known and unknown characters to explore and while the joker was a surprise hit I am sure they could at least make money with a new story.

I can see where you are coming from, I mostly agree. Though we should wait for more information before making any concrete judgements.

Anyways, I'd actually say a proper Lex Luthor movie would be awesome. Because with it, you can really get into his head and what motivates him. Or if you want to go really insane, actually play to the idea that he might actually be to one degree or another right.

 

[Argent]

I can see where you are coming from, I mostly agree. Though we should wait for more information before making any concrete judgements.

Anyways, I'd actually say a proper Lex Luthor movie would be awesome. Because with it, you can really get into his head and what motivates him. Or if you want to go really insane, actually play to the idea that he might actually be to one degree or another right.

True I have liked some of the remake long sequels. Jurassic World was good and Jumanji also was great. So hopefully they hit magic a second time just like Jumanji did with it's most recent movie.

It is just going to be a lot harder with Joker. Jumanji focuses on classic plots like coming of age or life transitions like heading off to college. The big trouble I see is that the Joke was a character peice which does not have the room to expand like other movies do.

 

[Bassoe]

A better idea would be perhaps the creation of Harley with the Joker being a side character...

The first third of the movie is Doctor Quinzel interviewing the Joker in Arkham, while he tells her a sob story of being a mentally ill man tormented by a deranged liefeld-style vigilante and corrupt system, with frequent flashbacks. Second third, he convinces her to break him out, not for his own sake, but since the increasingly insane Batman is now involving and endangering a child. Final third involves Robin getting beaten to death with a crowbar, the Joker fleeing abroad to somewhere without an extradition treaty and Harley getting the blame.

...or perhaps one of Batman's other villains.

Mister Freeze. Either do a serious piece on a man forced into criminality to try to save his wife, against an uncaring system and a vigilante who could essentially neutralize him as a supervillain with an infinitesimal fraction of the money he spends on ridiculous bat-doohickeys, or a heist movie set in a Silver Age-inspired world where he's found a viable cure for Nora, now he's got to use all his technological skill and manipulation of various superheroes to get past all the ninjas guarding it..

Anyways, I'd actually say a proper Lex Luthor movie would be awesome. Because with it, you can really get into his head and what motivates him. Or if you want to go really insane, actually play to the idea that he might actually be to one degree or another right.

Whether a sympathetic portrayal of Lex Luthor could work depends entirely if he's being written as 'randian billionaire/mob boss' or 'one-man X-Com'. Hollywood would probably prefer to write him as a billionaire since in their view, being one is more sympathetic than being a xenophobe, but anyone who wasn't a billionaire couldn't sympathize with him that way, whereas, not wanting to be invaded by aliens is a perfectly understandable motive regardless of societal class.

Anyone else worried the reason why writers and execs are greenlighting things like the Hunger Games and Robocop prequels is because they identify with those creeps?