Typhonis
Well-known member
Thanks to the Wuhan Flu and other things we are seeing the largest wealth transfer from the Middle Class to the Elite in years and their is no sign of it stopping.
The Great Consolidation.
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It's sad that you can skim articles or social media and know it's kinda happening but it never really hit me until I was watching a random JonTron video of all things and he just kinda stated it outright and it made me actually internalize that this was a thing that is happening beyond just the noise of normal current affairs.
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It was weird to have an "Oh Shit" moment while watching some casual normie internet sketch video.
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It was weird to have an "Oh Shit" moment while watching some casual normie internet sketch video.
This is one of the many reasons why I think the current populist movement is only going to gain steam, and why the increasingly draconian measures of control wont work. The whole social credit system of china for example that relys on the idea that things get better so there is a buy in but when each day things get increasingly worse? That shit stops working.
My money on the end point is that our leadership class has decided to grift and steal as much as they can from the system as a whole and then plan to flee to another country and live like kings. There is just one problem pretty much all of western civilizations leadership has the same plan.
And when they realize that they fucked up and there is no where to run thats when the gloves really come off for both sides.
My money on the end point is that our leadership class has decided to grift and steal as much as they can from the system as a whole and then plan to flee to another country and live like kings. There is just one problem pretty much all of western civilizations leadership has the same plan.
And when they realize that they fucked up and there is no where to run thats when the gloves really come off for both sides.
They flee to orbit, and have the funds/means to do so in a realtive short time frame, if they just throw money at the problem.
Then they're beyond the reach of anyone without an ASAT system.
This works until you realize their logistis would be shit that they would have to grow their own food, and do their own anything. When you have spent so much of your life living off others doing things yourself is difficult.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
...This isn't going to be remotely viable any time in the near future.
Space travel is hard, and also terrifyingly fragile. We need either a technological leap at least as potent as that of the internal combustion engine, or generations more of refinement before a space-based civilization would be possible.
I would not go that far, the tech to do space travel in mass has existed since Orion drives were through up, and even if you don't want to go nuclear the tech for making rail guns work is in existance. The problem isnt the tech the tech is in many ways already there the problem is a lack of will.
IT is very possible to do space travel with todays tech and its getting cheaper all the time the problem is creating places that are capable of independent survival. Which by the way was a problem during the colization of the americas and Australia as well. All of this would take time and effort.
So its all doable but realistically your going to have the space based powers be dependent on earth based ones for trade and goods for generations.
So that why's there so much clamor about space travel and getting to Mars these days.
The global Cabal want to ditch Earth for Mars as soon as shit goes bad.
It's literally the backstory of "Elysium", except in real life.
The global Cabal want to ditch Earth for Mars as soon as shit goes bad.
It's literally the backstory of "Elysium", except in real life.
Honestly that would be great if the people causing shit left we could start on the process of fixing the damage they caused.
No it wouldn't.
They'd leave Earth a barren, lifeless, desolate ruined shithole just like in Elysium.
The only way for us to win is this narrow window before their space mission succeeds.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
*Sigh.*
Elysium was a movie that neatly sidestepped all of the technological complications with trying to live long-term in space. It wasn't science fiction, it was fantasy fiction with a sci-fi skinsuit.
Before you start working yourself into a worried froth over evil overlords in space, let me ask you if you're familiar with a few concepts:
1: The tyranny of the rocket equation.
2: How the square-cube law relates to cost and how many things you require a machine or device to do under how many restraints.
3: Whether or not it is even possible for humans to successfully procreate in space.
4: The difficulties involved in attempting to create self-sustaining environments.
5: The increasing hostility of space the further from Earth you get.
A future wherein a wealthy over-class rules over Earth from space isn't impossible. It is however impossible in the immediate future, and we aren't in anything like a 'narrow window' before rich elites are able to get away with such a thing.
Just as the plan to get the moon required multiple steps along the way; getting into orbit, being able to handle docking in orbit, being able to get out to the moon, orbit, then return, before actually attempting the landing, attempting to establish a space colony will require many intermediary steps.
Intermediary steps which will be large obvious, and impossible to miss because the sheer amount of resources going into them, not to mention amateur astronomers being able to spot them with their telescopes.
1: Temporary space habitation. We have this with the ISS.
2: Permanent space habitation. This will require a station with artificial gravity (via centripetal force); this doesn't exist, and I haven't heard of any attempts to build one even being drafted yet, much less having construction started.
3: Space habitation capable of supplying its own Oxygen and food. This would require incredibly sophisticated, well-developed, and well-tested spaceborne biomes. You'd need not just greenhouses, but extensive amounts of insect and at least some animal life to keep a full biosphere stable. People have attempted to accomplish this on Earth, and it's very difficult when all you don't need to loft everything into space.
4: Mining and resource refining in space. This is still entirely theoretical. Not a single bit of this has been attempted, though a lot of postulating has been done. There is absolutely no practical data gathering whatsoever done on the topic. What happens why you try to refine ores in microgravity? Just how much gaseous byproduct do you need to recycle when you can't just dump it into the atmosphere and have nature do it for you? We've got estimates, probably some reasonably accurate ones, but there are always large numbers of practical problems that crop up when you move from theory to practice. And then of course there's the matter of dumping all the heat that would be produced.
5: A large enough base, or network of bases, to host the skilled workforce needed to conduct mining, refining, and manufacturing, including the production of fuel, and with enough redundancy built into the network that it can handle parts of the network failing. We're talking a minimum of thousands of full-time space residents, more likely tens or hundreds of thousands.
Along the way you also need to make sure you develop the technology to prevent Kessler Syndrome, and when you start trying to mine asteroids or the moon, ways to deal with asteroids, comets and the like over the long term.
We are not on step two yet, nobody has even started on step two yet, and working yourself into a panic in the meantime is doing nobody any good. There are actual real things to worry about out there, like the growing tide of fascist-level authoritarianism in the elite classes of the world, rather than wasting your energy on this.
When there are multiple tons being launched into space every day, then we might have cause to start worrying. Until then, learn a bit more about how these things actually work, and get a grip.
Elysium was a movie that neatly sidestepped all of the technological complications with trying to live long-term in space. It wasn't science fiction, it was fantasy fiction with a sci-fi skinsuit.
Before you start working yourself into a worried froth over evil overlords in space, let me ask you if you're familiar with a few concepts:
1: The tyranny of the rocket equation.
2: How the square-cube law relates to cost and how many things you require a machine or device to do under how many restraints.
3: Whether or not it is even possible for humans to successfully procreate in space.
4: The difficulties involved in attempting to create self-sustaining environments.
5: The increasing hostility of space the further from Earth you get.
A future wherein a wealthy over-class rules over Earth from space isn't impossible. It is however impossible in the immediate future, and we aren't in anything like a 'narrow window' before rich elites are able to get away with such a thing.
Just as the plan to get the moon required multiple steps along the way; getting into orbit, being able to handle docking in orbit, being able to get out to the moon, orbit, then return, before actually attempting the landing, attempting to establish a space colony will require many intermediary steps.
Intermediary steps which will be large obvious, and impossible to miss because the sheer amount of resources going into them, not to mention amateur astronomers being able to spot them with their telescopes.
1: Temporary space habitation. We have this with the ISS.
2: Permanent space habitation. This will require a station with artificial gravity (via centripetal force); this doesn't exist, and I haven't heard of any attempts to build one even being drafted yet, much less having construction started.
3: Space habitation capable of supplying its own Oxygen and food. This would require incredibly sophisticated, well-developed, and well-tested spaceborne biomes. You'd need not just greenhouses, but extensive amounts of insect and at least some animal life to keep a full biosphere stable. People have attempted to accomplish this on Earth, and it's very difficult when all you don't need to loft everything into space.
4: Mining and resource refining in space. This is still entirely theoretical. Not a single bit of this has been attempted, though a lot of postulating has been done. There is absolutely no practical data gathering whatsoever done on the topic. What happens why you try to refine ores in microgravity? Just how much gaseous byproduct do you need to recycle when you can't just dump it into the atmosphere and have nature do it for you? We've got estimates, probably some reasonably accurate ones, but there are always large numbers of practical problems that crop up when you move from theory to practice. And then of course there's the matter of dumping all the heat that would be produced.
5: A large enough base, or network of bases, to host the skilled workforce needed to conduct mining, refining, and manufacturing, including the production of fuel, and with enough redundancy built into the network that it can handle parts of the network failing. We're talking a minimum of thousands of full-time space residents, more likely tens or hundreds of thousands.
Along the way you also need to make sure you develop the technology to prevent Kessler Syndrome, and when you start trying to mine asteroids or the moon, ways to deal with asteroids, comets and the like over the long term.
We are not on step two yet, nobody has even started on step two yet, and working yourself into a panic in the meantime is doing nobody any good. There are actual real things to worry about out there, like the growing tide of fascist-level authoritarianism in the elite classes of the world, rather than wasting your energy on this.
When there are multiple tons being launched into space every day, then we might have cause to start worrying. Until then, learn a bit more about how these things actually work, and get a grip.
TriforcedLink
Well-known member
Given how lazy and willing to cut corners our wannabe nobility have become, I can only see it ending with them yeeting themselves into our sun.
Remember to play "Mr. Blue Sky" when they do!
Optymist.They could rule over poor masses,they only need come back to their commie roots.Lenin,Sralin,Mao,Polpot,Kin family could do so - so why not them?
Althought,it always mean war among fractions and purging part of them.Reason why they do not come back to Gulag is that they are no sure if they do not join us there if they start that system.