Religion The ethics of disowning degenerate family members

[Terthna]

I'm not going to argue the ethics of disowning a family member based solely on degeneracy. I have three sisters, one is a drug abusing hedonist, the second a Trump Supporting family woman who is a small business owner with her husband, and the third a former militant Radical feminist who now essentially lives as a hermit once her RadFem friends turned on her because she wasn't hardcore enough. Two of them I don't talk too.

The first one, obviously I don't talk with, not because she's a degenerate but because she stole 40 thousand dollars from me from my first deployment by stealing my banking information and depleting my account...while I was overseas. She did this with her boyfriend at the time to start their own little drug business... and on their first go at it...got caught. State police took all the money, she went to jail as an accessory , he dumped her...and I lost nearly everything. Luckily she got arrested before she sold off my car that had been fully paid off. So I guess I didn't lose everything...just almost everything.

Somehow my dad convinced me not to file charges; really played on the family ties and loyalty and not turning each other away. That she was sick and needed help. I was an idiot then and I listened.
But of course someone like her isn't ever sorry for what they do, only that they get caught. Not even two years later she's constantly hitting me up for more money whenever she got into a jam. Eventually I recognized her for the leach she was and had to just cut her out of my life. My Dad wont and he's lost nearly everything; two houses, 7 cars...and almost a hundred thousand in savings He's living in a crap run down house he's slowly restoring. All of his life savings lost to her. And she would have done the same to me without a moments hesitation.

The second sister? Surprisingly we don't talk that much either. Not because we've cut each other out of our lives, but because we're both busy with work and family. But we do occasionally talk and even planning to meet up soon.

The Third sister? She cut ties with me years ago when she hooked up with her Militant Radical Lesbian feminists. Called me a babykiller and wished the most horrible fate to happen to me, all because I was a man who wore the uniform. We haven't spoken since, but the door is open to her if she wants. But she's too proud to ever admit she's wrong. No skin off my back, I'm doing well without her.

Sad to say, I know people with similar stories about toxic family members. There are times when you have to cut people out of your life, and it's when they prove to be a danger to your person and property.

The main concern, at least as far as religious devotion is concerned is matters of conscience, conscience, and conscience. Its why you have drama over cakes and bakeries.

Christians today aren't in the business of tying homosexuals to wooden pyres and setting them aflame, but rather "let he who is filthy be filthy still". They do not want to commit the sin of condoning. To bake the lgbt cake, or tolerate an unrepentant homosexual child is condoning their behavior.

Its a sin. According to Christian theology to condone sin, even someone else's.

Casting out a sinning child may be one of the hardest calls to make, but its not for the child's sake at that point, its for the parent's own accounting on the last day.

"Go out in the world, and make your choice as you will, we do not wish to be a party to it".

According to Christianity, everything is a sin that doesn't involve praising God 24/7; including simply being born.

 

[Abhorsen]

Homosexuality is generally a result of being sexually abused, when your child says they're gay, it is time to start looking for who touched them.

This simply isn't true. But since you are making a positive claim, I'd like a citation.

The main concern, at least as far as religious devotion is concerned is matters of conscience, conscience, and conscience. Its why you have drama over cakes and bakeries.

Christians today aren't in the business of tying homosexuals to wooden pyres and setting them aflame, but rather "let he who is filthy be filthy still". They do not want to commit the sin of condoning. To bake the lgbt cake, or tolerate an unrepentant homosexual child is condoning their behavior.

Its a sin. According to Christian theology to condone sin, even someone else's.

Casting out a sinning child may be one of the hardest calls to make, but its not for the child's sake at that point, its for the parent's own accounting on the last day.

"Go out in the world, and make your choice as you will, we do not wish to be a party to it".

The problem with this argument (which I pointed out before) is that this isn't commonly done for sins other than being gay, like people having extramarital sex, looking at porn, etc. On top of that, as far as I understand, it's not even a sin to be gay, just to do gay things.

Again, we can see this in the statistics of how many homeless teens are LGBT (about 40%) versus how many people are LGBT (at most 10%).

 

[Deleted member 88]

I mean to be fair, it used to be. Premarital sex and adultery used to get you expelled from the congregation(though in the former case how much was Christian devotion and how much was Bourgouise propriety is open for debate).

 

[Abhorsen]

I mean to be fair, it used to be. Premarital sex and adultery used to get you expelled from the congregation(though in the former case how much was Christian devotion and how much was Bourgouise propriety is open for debate).

And to be fair, back then gays still had it disproportionally worse. The argument that this is just religious falls away once you look at the statistics, and see how disproportionate the punishment is for one vs. the other. The real cause is that some people just hate gays and are shitty parents.

 

[LTR]

Eh I'm sure there are reasons I would entail disowning a child, as awful as it sounds. But it'd probably have to be worse then being gay.

Like being an atheist is worse then being gay IMHO. If we're talking about damnation here... not actually accepting the faith at all is probably far worse then boys loving the cock.

And even worse then both of those is being... Flamingly Gay. Like ugh... actual degeneracy.

I'd rather not explore what the threshold is, because it's not something I feel like concerning myself with to be honest. But I'm sure it's a sliding scale... of degeneracy. Or a slope... or whathaveyou.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

According to Christianity, everything is a sin that doesn't involve praising God 24/7; including simply being born.

You should refrain from talking about christianity, you and whoever told you about it didn't understand it very well.

 

[Husky_Khan]

According to Christianity, everything is a sin that doesn't involve praising God 24/7; including simply being born.

We are all OG's in the eyes of the Lord.

 

[Arch Dornan]

The Third sister? She cut ties with me years ago when she hooked up with her Militant Radical Lesbian feminists. Called me a babykiller and wished the most horrible fate to happen to me, all because I was a man who wore the uniform. We haven't spoken since, but the door is open to her if she wants. But she's too proud to ever admit she's wrong. No skin off my back, I'm doing well without her.

Is the babykiller namecalling just because you're a soldier or a US soldier?

 

[Spartan303]

Is the babykiller namecalling just because you're a soldier or a US soldier?

Early to mid 2000s. The war in Iraq was not popular to say the least. You had a lot of Anti-war groups and feminist groups who protested. She was young and woefully Naïve and joined them thinking to make new friends since she was socially awkward. I left home with a big hug from her and promises to be as safe as I could be. I came back to scorn and hate and a hope I'd die a painful death.

That was my first real wakeup call to the Left and Feminism as a hate movement.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Early to mid 2000s. The war in Iraq was not popular to say the least. You had a lot of Anti-war groups and feminist groups who protested. She was young and woefully Naive and joined them thinking to make new friends since she was socially awkward I left home with a big hug from her and promises to be as safe as I could be. I came back to scorn and hate and a hope I'd die a painful death.

That was my first real wakeup call to the Left and Feminism as a hate movement.

These people should take a trip to africa or the middle east and see what real oppression is like.

 

[Deleted member 88]

I believe we’re getting a little off topic here?

 

[Arch Dornan]

Early to mid 2000s. The war in Iraq was not popular to say the least. You had a lot of Anti-war groups and feminist groups who protested. She was young and woefully Naive and joined them thinking to make new friends since she was socially awkward I left home with a big hug from her and promises to be as safe as I could be. I came back to scorn and hate and a hope I'd die a painful death.

That was my first real wakeup call to the Left and Feminism as a hate movement.

If it's Iraq I can understand the protest but I wouldn't scorn you. When you put on the uniform it's yada yada on those regulations so when it's time to make someone miserable or dead you go do it.

Perhaps like Terrence Pop you did see something that justifies for a moment your fight there like visiting the torture sites of his victims in that prison. Abu Graib? Too bad the occupation was managed like an inconsiderate burecratic clerk. The Biden hard drive mentioned grifts to shift funds under the guise of repairing the damage. That's demoralising to hear.

To be called a baby killer you'd have to technically kill a baby unless someone blew up an orphanage or hospital which would be FUBAR. I'm sure she meant child or teen killer which is possible when they're trained to shoot you and you're forced to respond. I'm more likely to believe bigger cases of them in Afghanistan thanks to the Soviets but in Iraq it must've increased once Daesh rose up and when they're about to be quadruple teamed.

I'm sorry for your loss.

I believe we’re getting a little off topic here?

I'll stop.

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

I'll pose a question then, where does the road to redemption lead? How does this hypothetical gay kid become a part of the family again? How much sin must he eliminate from his life? Merely his lust for other men?

 

[Deleted member 88]

I'll pose a question then, where does the road to redemption lead? How does this hypothetical gay kid become a part of the family again? How much sin must he eliminate from his life? Merely his lust for other men?

Ideally he or she would break off any homosexual relationships and any materials, paraphernalia, and so on relating to that. I wouldn’t expect conversion therapy(that is unless the person wanted it) and either agreed to total celibacy or finding a spouse.

They’d obviously need to repent and make themselves right with God. Once they did that-then they could be restored.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

According to Christianity, everything is a sin that doesn't involve praising God 24/7; including simply being born.

That really depends on the brand of Christianity; obviously, there's a wide spectrum of denominations and beliefs. Although most of the edge cases will insist that they are the one true way, and frankly spend more time spitting hate at the "wrong sort" of fellow Christians than anything else.

 

[Fleiur]

This is a rather sensitive topic which is why I hope discussion will be fruitful.

The Forsaken: Gay Teens Shunned by Their Religious Families

While life gets better for millions of gays, the number of homeless LGBT teens - many cast out by their religious families - quietly keeps growing.

www.google.com

So we have evidence those youth whom are homosexual or otherwise not heterosexual are booted out of their homes by religious parents.

This seems to be a rather common phenomena, in the US and elsewhere. After homosexual marriage was legalized, this apparently accelerated. Even in liberal New York.

So let’s discuss the ethics.

Familial love vs Religion.

Those who prioritize familial love would argue love of one’s child should outweigh and even cancel out religious duties. This has happened, where parents beliefs about these matters change, less due to being convinced their religion is wrong, but on the primal grounds of “I’ll give up my religious belief because I love my child more”.

The opposite is of course handing them over and casting them out.

It is proscribed in the Old Testament to cast the sinner out from among the community, and rebellious or degenerate children were stoned(as in pelted with rocks and killed).

In the New Testament, unrepentant sinners in the church are cast out. Until they repent they aren’t allowed fellowship, they aren’t to spoken too or eaten with. Don’t taint yourself by associating with someone unrepentant.

Sources.

1 Corinthians 5:13 - Expel the Immoral Brother

God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked man from among you.

biblehub.com

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 KJV - If a man have a stubborn and rebellious - Bible Gateway

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 KJV - If a man have a stubborn and rebellious - Bible Gateway

Anyway, back to the subject.

So what to do with an LGBT family member?

God or family?

Love them yes, always. But what if they won’t change? What if they insist on bringing their lover home? They advertise it to your fellows in the church and other family members.

Or well your religion is prejudiced and backwards, love your kids and smile. Seems to be two of the more moderate options.

To cast out a child is extremely hard. It’s tearing out a piece of yourself.

It is my firm contention, that expelling an LGBT child is an extremely hard but occasionally necessary decision.

Why do you ask?

Because it’s not just the degenerate in question. It’s your conscience, the rest of your family’s conscience.

Else your faith may falter, and you may even lose it for your family member. Because you love them more.

God or family?

Taking Jesus’ words, “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.” Matthew 10:37

So what does this mean?

It means that if you have a gay or transgender child or family member, they won’t change. You pray; beg them, and do everything you can, but you will not become a sinner yourself.

You the Christian parent are left with no alternative but to cast them away from you.

If you have a gay sibling or transgender sister; you are obligated to expel them from your life, and act as if their very memory is a curse to forget.

So; yes expelling a gay child is a religious command.

If you aren’t willing to sever ties with an LGBT relative, to rip them from your heart-and count them as dead, you are unworthy of eternal life. You may continue to love them, but you are no longer obligated too. In fact it is better that you turn your back on them.

If a relative of mine came out as gay, and I was not willing to disown them, I would consider myself damned.

But what are everyone else’s thoughts?

Agree, disagree, agree with reservations?

Lord Invictus

Isn't it a Western thing that kids eventually will be independent from their parents?
Financially independent and all that? I think that is a factor.

As a parent, you have the authority and duty to discipline and protect your children from evil things. In their formative years mother and father should be there for their children to discipline and instill religious values and values to them.

Parents should not let their kids live outside their house even if they are in college so they can monitor their kids.

My stand is, it is wrong to cast out your kids as a religious parent because it is your duty as a parent to protect your kids.

Also, I think having a Western mentality, these religious people in the West are kinda okay with it because they think kids should be independent on their own eventually or when they become of legal age.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Parents should not let their kids live outside their house even if they are in college so they can monitor their kids.

College "kids" are legally adults, and moreover, this is a great way to guarantee that your kids fail college.

 

[Fleiur]

College "kids" are legally adults, and moreover, this is a great way to guarantee that your kids fail college.

How so? You're parents are there to cater to all your needs and all you need to think about is passing college and/or aiming to graduate with honors. Kids should just focus on studying when they are at that stage of their life.

 

[Guncannon]

Casting out children because of their sex life says you love yourself and your ego more than your kids.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

How so? You're parents are there to cater to all your needs and all you need to think about is passing college and/or aiming to graduate with honors. Kids should just focus on studying when they are at that stage of their life.

Yeah, it sounds great in theory. My parents sincerely tried to do that for me -- but living at home under close parental supervision completely cuts you off from campus life, and campus life at a serious university isn't about partying, it's about developing friendly social peer groups that *primarily* serve as the principal outlet for study and collaboration.