The Drowned Baby (Hitler) Timeline

[raharris1973]

The Drowned Baby Timeline

As an aid to those who may be unfamiliar with the Drowned Baby Timeline, I present a brief synopsis and a list of blog posts. The Point-of...

johnnypez9.blogspot.com

Any of you read this? I'm glad it's preserved, it's 20-25 years old roughly from the days of SHWI.

Anyway, despite it being a loooooonngg multi-part that runs until at least the 1960s, he gives a nice 1 page summary of the set-up at the link.

The key thing is he does away with Hitler, but not the Nazis, who come to power in a coup under the Rohms in 1932.

Accepting this premise the idea is there is a more radical, less legal, less competent, more SA oriented Nazi regime that shoots its bolt prematurely by launching a war on Poland in May 1936.

The Germans reach their maximum extent, approximately the totality of all the old Prussian partitions of the PLC, but short of Warsaw, by November 1936, but the Poles hold out and counter-attack while France and Britain intervene and the three of them defeat and occupy Germany by June 1937.

Does that seem about the right for a military-diplomatic outcome of a war that an alternate Nazi Germany kicks off in mid-1936?

 

[WolfBear]

The Drowned Baby Timeline

As an aid to those who may be unfamiliar with the Drowned Baby Timeline, I present a brief synopsis and a list of blog posts. The Point-of...

johnnypez9.blogspot.com

Any of you read this? I'm glad it's preserved, it's 20-25 years old roughly from the days of SHWI.

Anyway, despite it being a loooooonngg multi-part that runs until at least the 1960s, he gives a nice 1 page summary of the set-up at the link.

The key thing is he does away with Hitler, but not the Nazis, who come to power in a coup under the Rohms in 1932.

Accepting this premise the idea is there is a more radical, less legal, less competent, more SA oriented Nazi regime that shoots its bolt prematurely by launching a war on Poland in May 1936.

The Germans reach their maximum extent, approximately the totality of all the old Prussian partitions of the PLC, but short of Warsaw, by November 1936, but the Poles hold out and counter-attack while France and Britain intervene and the three of them defeat and occupy Germany by June 1937.

Does that seem about the right for a military-diplomatic outcome of a war that an alternate Nazi Germany kicks off in mid-1936?

What do the Soviets do? Remain neutral? But Yeah, anyway, it does sound about right. No Holocaust, which is great!

 

[stevep]

The Drowned Baby Timeline

As an aid to those who may be unfamiliar with the Drowned Baby Timeline, I present a brief synopsis and a list of blog posts. The Point-of...

johnnypez9.blogspot.com

Any of you read this? I'm glad it's preserved, it's 20-25 years old roughly from the days of SHWI.

Anyway, despite it being a loooooonngg multi-part that runs until at least the 1960s, he gives a nice 1 page summary of the set-up at the link.

The key thing is he does away with Hitler, but not the Nazis, who come to power in a coup under the Rohms in 1932.

Accepting this premise the idea is there is a more radical, less legal, less competent, more SA oriented Nazi regime that shoots its bolt prematurely by launching a war on Poland in May 1936.

The Germans reach their maximum extent, approximately the totality of all the old Prussian partitions of the PLC, but short of Warsaw, by November 1936, but the Poles hold out and counter-attack while France and Britain intervene and the three of them defeat and occupy Germany by June 1937.

Does that seem about the right for a military-diplomatic outcome of a war that an alternate Nazi Germany kicks off in mid-1936?

Probably. Germany OTL was in no position to launch a war in 1936 and with a Rohm lead regime, which might be even more insane and incompetent than Hitler it would be even weaker. Unless the Soviets came in to help out the Nazis Poland could probably cause serious problems at the least against a 36 Germany and with the western allies joining in despite their relative weakness at the time it would be over fairly quickly. Doubly so if butterflies means that other powers possibly enter the fray, like Italy [if Germany makes a bid for Austria] or the Czechs, fearing they might be next on the list.

 

[sillygoose]

No way Rohm would have risen to power without Hitler. Or for the Nazis to have become more than a fringe party without him. More likely a group like Stahlhelm would have risen to a position of greater influence. The Brown Shirts really only became a larger org because of Hitler.

 

[WolfBear]

No way Rohm would have risen to power without Hitler. Or for the Nazis to have become more than a fringe party without him. More likely a group like Stahlhelm would have risen to a position of greater influence. The Brown Shirts really only became a larger org because of Hitler.

Rohm's open homosexuality would have certainly hurt him in any case, unless he would have decided to be closeted in this TL. I previously forgot about the fact that Rohm was openly gay.

 

[raharris1973]

No way Rohm would have risen to power without Hitler. Or for the Nazis to have become more than a fringe party without him. More likely a group like Stahlhelm would have risen to a position of greater influence. The Brown Shirts really only became a larger org because of Hitler.

Hmm, well what if we changed up the premise and say Hitler survived and his regime rose like OTL, but just before the night of the long knives, the Rohms and Strassers get the jump on Hitler & militarists, kill Hitler, pin it militarist or traditionalist conservatives and do a radical Nazi/SA takeover having ridden Hitler to have gotten as far as they did by 1934. Then they go off the deeper end and get into war with Poland in 36 after having the SA absorb the professional army. Would they be likely to get beat as happens in the linked scenario?

 

[WolfBear]

Hmm, well what if we changed up the premise and say Hitler survived and his regime rose like OTL, but just before the night of the long knives, the Rohms and Strassers get the jump on Hitler & militarists, kill Hitler, pin it militarist or traditionalist conservatives and do a radical Nazi/SA takeover having ridden Hitler to have gotten as far as they did by 1934. Then they go off the deeper end and get into war with Poland in 36 after having the SA absorb the professional army. Would they be likely to get beat as happens in the linked scenario?

Yes, then they would have certainly had their asses handed to them!