Alternate History The day Roosevelt died

[Zero]

Giuseppe "Joe" Zangara was born in Itally and immigrated the United States.
After 5 shots 32nd president of the united sates ,Franklyn Delano Roosevelt lay dead in the convertible carrying him after

a few days of being president . he was to be sworn in only a fed days ago. March 4, 1933 but was killed, February 15, 1933.
Roosevelts vice president John Nance GARNER WAS iMedially Sworn IN.Roosevelts killer was soon excuted.

May.16,1933

President Garner signs food aide bill for people suffering from the great depression also 12 days later sings fam billt o help farmer s allacross America.

United States - Golden Gate Bridge Construction
Construction of San Francisco’s Golden Gate Bridge began during January. The iconic orange suspension bridge was designed in the art deco style by Irving Morrow and the chief engineers were Joseph Strauss and Charles Ellis. It was completed in 1937 and connected the city of San Francisco and Marin County, California. The bridge spans 4,200 feet and is one of the longest and tallest suspension bridges in the world. It cost between $27 million and $35 million to build at the time and was financed by a bond measure due to a lack of readily available funds during the Great Depression.


3. NO Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) in place so people withdraw savings from banks making situation worse

June 4,1933
Humphrey Bogart acts in a radio program of buck rogers.

 

[Aaron Fox]

This is likely going to only end in two ways: communist or fascist revolution. Have fun.

Let me explain, FDR was a major insider of US politics of the time, outside of certain things, he managed to wrangle the New Deal Coalition into a cohesive force. People on this site hate FDR with a passion, but I take it with the greater context instead.

In this case, you'll be likely to see Huey Long run for President and likely beating all contenders because, surprise, surprise, his policies actually made sense and worked. Huey Long was the man that turned Lousiana -which was considered a shitty place to live- into something that people wanted to be living in. That is until his assassination and his political enemies destroying practically everything he built.

 

[Zero]

Events 1 .1934
Nazi Germany passes the "Law for the Prevention of Genetically Diseased Offspring".
Jan.7 1934
"Flash Gordon" comic strip (by Alex Raymond) debuts
Feb.12.1934
Humphrey Bogart reprises his Sam Malone character for Matisse Falcon radio drama.

The first term of john Nance Garner.

In his inaugural address, President Garner said he would build up the banks and Agriculture , end the great depresion withen 4 years/

 

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1935 16th March » Adolf Hitler orders Germany to rearm itself because in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. Conscription is brought back and reformed. form the Wehrmacht.

28th December » ' New Year tree tradition revived in the Soviet Union.after Pravda' publishes a letter by Pavel Postyshev,.
IN 1937 many banks close down.

Huey Long:
the self proclaimed king Fish succeeds Garner as 33rd president of the United States.President long defeated Wendel Wilkie. 54% to 49%.

some states were not called till the morning after it was close.President Long meets with advisors on how to handle the depresion.

 

[Zero]

November 1937
Riots all across ameroca have broken out because of starvation and lack of jobs.
Police hace shot and killed many protestors.also war has broken out between Germany and England

President Long has declared martial law and there is 2 oclock curfew to be out on the streets.

 

[ATP]

November 1937
Riots all across ameroca have broken out because of starvation and lack of jobs.
Police hace shot and killed many protestors.also war has broken out between Germany and England and Russia.
President Farlley has declared martial law and there is 2 oclock curfew to be out on the streets.

What Russia? there were no such state,only soviet union.And how they could fight Germany? they have no border to do so.
Only possibility - Poland agreed to german plans to invade soviets.In OTL they try to get Poland as ally from 1936 till 1939.
If Poland acted as german ally ,then you could have your war.

Considering how soviets was hated by almost everybody there,it would end quickly in German victory - unless german start,just like in OTL,murdering locals.But even then,their polish allies would not do so,so soviets would contuine surrender to them.

P.S Irish catholic president? not possible,sorry.Not before WW2

 

[Zero]

Riots in the streets have stoped finally president long has created a jobs program .In the next election ,president Long defeated Alf landon in a close election.Landon received 43%.Long 57%

 

[Zero]

President Longs inaugural adress.1937
Everly man.woman and child should strive in america.we been through a lot .seen a lot but America will survive.

 

[Zero]

In the 1940s,u.s goes to war with japan.president Long reinstated the draft.Long also runs for unprecedented third term defeating Thomas Dewey 52% to 42%.

 

[ATP]

In the 1940s,u.s goes to war with japan.president Long reinstated the draft.Long also runs for unprecedented third term defeating Thomas Dewey 52% to 42%.

Americans do not wanted war.FDR manage to fet war only by provoking Japan and letting them attack Pearl Harbour.So,how Long managed to convict citizen in 1940 to start war ?
P.S what about Europe ?

 

[Aaron Fox]

Americans do not wanted war.FDR manage to fet war only by provoking Japan and letting them attack Pearl Harbour.So,how Long managed to convict citizen in 1940 to start war ?
P.S what about Europe ?

That isn't really the case. The fact is that there were only two ways that Japan under the Imperialists can expand: North and South. The USSR kicked Imperial Japan's ass so the Northern Expansion plan was terminated for the southern expansion plan... which went headlong into the US.

The Imperialists knew this despite men like Yamamoto -the last vestiges of the Old Men faction- and -privately- the Emperor (from what I can tell, the best guess on his reaction on declaring war against the US was something along the lines of oh shit we're at war with the US) against going up against the US because they were sane people and understood that the US would simply drown Japan in men and material. That is why Pearl Harbor's original gameplan had the first wave literally circling around and allowing the US to take up arms before attacking and that the declaration of war has to be made before the attack.

 

[ATP]

That isn't really the case. The fact is that there were only two ways that Japan under the Imperialists can expand: North and South. The USSR kicked Imperial Japan's ass so the Northern Expansion plan was terminated for the southern expansion plan... which went headlong into the US.

The Imperialists knew this despite men like Yamamoto -the last vestiges of the Old Men faction- and -privately- the Emperor (from what I can tell, the best guess on his reaction on declaring war against the US was something along the lines of oh shit we're at war with the US) against going up against the US because they were sane people and understood that the US would simply drown Japan in men and material. That is why Pearl Harbor's original gameplan had the first wave literally circling around and allowing the US to take up arms before attacking and that the declaration of war has to be made before the attack.

American persuaded dutch to join their oil embargo on Japan - and Japan could surrender or start war.Everybody knew that.
American broken japaneese codes,and FDR get message for japaneese ambassador before attack.He said "it is war" - and did nothing to warn Pearl Harbour.
Not mention,it is FDR who relocated Pacyfic fleet to Hawaii in 1940,without him Japan could not attack it.

P.S after the war,USA "thanked" dutch by helping indonesians - it is nice to knew,that not only Poland was betrayed by USA.

 

[Aaron Fox]

American persuaded dutch to join their oil embargo on Japan - and Japan could surrender or start war.Everybody knew that.
American broken japaneese codes,and FDR get message for japaneese ambassador before attack.He said "it is war" - and did nothing to warn Pearl Harbour.
Not mention,it is FDR who relocated Pacyfic fleet to Hawaii in 1940,without him Japan could not attack it.

P.S after the war,USA "thanked" dutch by helping indonesians - it is nice to knew,that not only Poland was betrayed by USA.

Wow, such bad history here. The oil embargo was kickstarted when Japan went into China. You also have to remember that communications with Hawaii were slow as hell back then.

Also, the US-backed decolonization because it was deemed (rightly so) to be the better play instead of having some stupid shit causing a world war and later it couldn't enforce its 'Trade or else' geopolitical policy if the various players had their own empires to mooch off of.

 

[stevep]

Wow, such bad history here. The oil embargo was kickstarted when Japan went into China. You also have to remember that communications with Hawaii were slow as hell back then.

Also, the US-backed decolonization because it was deemed (rightly so) to be the better play instead of having some stupid shit causing a world war and later it couldn't enforce its 'Trade or else' geopolitical policy if the various players had their own empires to mooch off of.

Actually on that point ATP is right. The oil embargo, along with tightening other restrictions only came into play after the Japanese occupied French Indo-China, or more specifically the southern part as that was a clear threat to the position of the beliegered British and Dutch as it gave a real capacity for Japan to attack Malaya and the Dutch East Indies which would give them most of the raw materials for them to continue the war against China, at least for a few more years.

He's wrong on the other point as the message from Japan to its diplomats in Washington was decoded too late for a war warning to Pearl although earlier warnings of possible conflict should have been heeded. Mind you no one expected an attack on Pearl itself and the Japanese were at the very limit of their logistics doing it.

On sending the fleet to Pearl it probably seemed like a logical move at the time. Its too far away [or so everybody expected] to be attack but could poses as a warning/threat to any Japanese move either south or against US possessions. After all the attempt to relieve Wake couldn't have been done at all if the fleet was operating from San Diego.

However I have real concerns about a hell of a lot of the TL being presented here. Such as how are Britain, Germany and Russia going to war in 1937? Assuming France isn't involved are marines landing on the English or the German coastlines? However the poster seems to be posting but not responding - other than I see now removing Russia [Soviet Union] from his initial post about this conflict.

 

[ATP]

Wow, such bad history here. The oil embargo was kickstarted when Japan went into China. You also have to remember that communications with Hawaii were slow as hell back then.

Also, the US-backed decolonization because it was deemed (rightly so) to be the better play instead of having some stupid shit causing a world war and later it couldn't enforce its 'Trade or else' geopolitical policy if the various players had their own empires to mooch off of.

Nope.Robert B.Stinnet proved in his book "Day of Deceit" that FDR both provoked Japan to attack and knew about incoming attack.

And FDR relocated Pacyfic Fleet to Hawaii,where it could be attacked.

Besides,if USA urged Dutch to join their embargo and made them Japan target,there was their duty to save their colonial emire later.Becouse Dutch get massacred by Japan,and later robbed by USA.
And if you look how indonesia is working,there would be better for locals if it remained colony.Especially non muslim.