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Discussion for the TV series The Boys. In my opinion if you suffer MCU burnout like myself but love Super Heroes this is the perfect show for you. Tones down just enough on Garth Ennis Edge but still has a compelling premise to it and has some great takes on Corporatism, the Military Industrial Complex and The Metoo Movement. Trailer here.



If you have Amazon prime definitely consider checking it out.
 
It is a pretty great series, and I agree. It seems to take the idea and make it work even better, would never read the comic due to the edge, though the show has an appropriate level of edge.
Garth Ennis to me has great concepts that he tends to overdo with excessive edge. Hes like moonshine, far too harsh and needs distilling, which a good adaptation like The Boys manages into making a nice drink with just the right amount of burn.
 
Garth Ennis to me has great concepts that he tends to overdo with excessive edge. Hes like moonshine, far too harsh and needs distilling, which a good adaptation like The Boys manages into making a nice drink with just the right amount of burn.

I like my Garth Ennis neat, in a rocks glass. No dilution for me. :ROFLMAO:
 
If he was in MCU would he really turn out so warped? Or is it putting him as is in MCU?
Him being so warped is because he was raised as a science experiment. Thats why hes so different from the others, who are mostly just sociopathic degenerates because they are rich, famous, vastly more powerful than human beings and highly shielded from any consequences of their actions. He would probably end up just as screwed up because of how he was raised if done the same way in the MCU. A good way of porting him over IMO, would be a cold war attempt at remaking Captain America to fight Russia but got scrapped following the Soviet Collapse of 1991. Lost the purpose of being a weapon and with it the weapons contract deal of Vought with the US Military following the military cut and draw down of the 90s, was instead repurposed by the company who created him as a street crime fighter/PR guy/Tourist Attraction/Celebrity and sold by contract to say, LA or New York for protection. Maybe gets rolled into the Avengers initiative without the others knowing his dark secrets and how hes been used as a weapon to silence potential whistleblowers on the government, or hell a hydra agent. The parallels between him and Captain America would certainly be entertaining to see. Maybe have them be buddies with Homelander doing his, "no, you are the real hero cap. You are veteran who signed up to fight for his country no matter how many times he got turned away." Good ideas abound there.
 
Him being so warped is because he was raised as a science experiment. Thats why hes so different from the others, who are mostly just sociopathic degenerates because they are rich, famous, vastly more powerful than human beings and highly shielded from any consequences of their actions. He would probably end up just as screwed up because of how he was raised if done the same way in the MCU. A good way of porting him over IMO, would be a cold war attempt at remaking Captain America to fight Russia but got scrapped following the Soviet Collapse of 1991. Lost the purpose of being a weapon and with it the weapons contract deal of Vought with the US Military following the military cut and draw down of the 90s, was instead repurposed by the company who created him as a street crime fighter/PR guy/Tourist Attraction/Celebrity and sold by contract to say, LA or New York for protection. Maybe gets rolled into the Avengers initiative without the others knowing his dark secrets and how hes been used as a weapon to silence potential whistleblowers on the government, or hell a hydra agent. The parallels between him and Captain America would certainly be entertaining to see. Maybe have them be buddies with Homelander doing his, "no, you are the real hero cap. You are veteran who signed up to fight for his country no matter how many times he got turned away." Good ideas abound there.

Yeah, that is what I was thinking. The whole science experiment thing, and if they going for it, that whole other angle. And I agree, though perhaps given that he isn't in as a dark universe, he might be less screwed up. He might even be redeemable by MCU rules, really. Though probably not.
 
I’ve only ever read the comic version of The Boys but I wonder how they would interact with actual superheroes like the Justice League

They would probably be very surprised about how they face lots of actual supervillains and other threats and do NOT have the same horrible Hollywood-esque scandals and hedonism
 
Garth Ennis to me has great concepts that he tends to overdo with excessive edge. Hes like moonshine, far too harsh and needs distilling, which a good adaptation like The Boys manages into making a nice drink with just the right amount of burn.

Interesting. I know nothing of the comic, but I loved the show and quickly convinced multiple other people to watch it. It does not surprise me to hear that the original work is more overblown, because the show does have a lot of moments where it kinda veers back towards reality, when certainly it could have gone more crazy.

I figure I'll track down the comic after the second season of the show airs, I don't want spoilers, let alone spoilers that are of a somewhat alternate storyline.
 
Interesting. I know nothing of the comic, but I loved the show and quickly convinced multiple other people to watch it. It does not surprise me to hear that the original work is more overblown, because the show does have a lot of moments where it kinda veers back towards reality, when certainly it could have gone more crazy.

I figure I'll track down the comic after the second season of the show airs, I don't want spoilers, let alone spoilers that are of a somewhat alternate storyline.

Let’s just say that aside from the few clips, the Homelander has accomplished what Vought-American failed to do in the comic and the fact that he’s supposed to really be just as hedonistic as the other “superheroes” instead of this scary calm and kinda-scarily-human-at-times dude who has a master plan or manipulations
 
So I'm guessing Homelander is the new antagonist. I honestly thought it was gonna be Vought Lady because it seemed like she was pulling his strings at firs.
 
In the comic, Voight lady’s a guy....and actually genuinely scares the Homelander due to being extremely calm and indifferent even in the face of death
I kind of like that better tbh. I imagine a Patrick Bateman-type with well-groomed hair and features and an astute business suit (I've never read the comics) with his personality traits but endlessly more intelligent and calm/collected.
 
I kind of like that better tbh. I imagine a Patrick Bateman-type with well-groomed hair and features and an astute business suit (I've never read the comics) with his personality traits but endlessly more intelligent and calm/collected.

Never watched the show either, though in-regards to James Sitwell, guy doesn’t have ridiculous excesses or many shows of both positive and negative emotion.

All he’s devoted to is making sure Vought-American is extremely successful, he has no problem with the X-Men expies or “Oh Father” being extremely evil pedophiles and child abductors and abusers. Only if/when they get caught.

Most emotion he shows is at the end where Vought tries marketing superheroes again and after seeing a test team, he goes towards a window, stops himself from falling and says “Bad Product...”
 
I think the strength of this show is the acting. Karl Urban brings a complexity to Butcher that would have been completely lost with a less talented actor. Simon Peg took a tiny role and lines that would have been cringey or too heavyhanded and actually make them work just with his delivery.


Fuck, they handed the guy who played Frenchie a static shot soliloquy in his first episode, thats no small order for an actor.



I think Urban's (Butcher) best moment in the show was in that throwaway scene of him handing his demands to the FBI director. That is such a straightforward, paint by numbers scene, in any other show it would be barely worth the watching, you could get as much out of it from a description as from watching it, but theres just that one moment that completely elevates it. The Director tells Billy he can have everything on the list except for his ridiculous, suicidal demand for Homelander's head. Billy kind of crumples inward and mumbles "You know what he's done" in this pained, pathetic way. Go back and really watch how he looks. You know he shouldn't ask for it already, but now you know he knows he shouldn't ask for it. Everything on his list was reasonable, and most of it was there to help his compatriots, right until the very end. He couldn't help it, he had to put it on there, he had to ask, and when confronted on it, for a moment he has no defense. Then, he pulls himself together and bitterly throws out the entire deal he worked so hard to put together, because they wont give him what he knows they cant give him.
 
I enjoyed the Boys quite a bit. After watching the first episode, I basically marathon watched the series. There were a few political biases I found a bit troubling, especially one episode that was basically a hit piece on fundie Christians.

I wasn't too pleased either, I might be a godless heathen, but I am not one of those fedora tipping s'wits.
 

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