Star Wars The Book of Boba Fett/Mandalorian/DIsney Star Wars Yields and calcs

[Agent23]

At least Rey kinda-sorta had the excuse of Force sensitivity affording her “special aptitude” there.

Fennec, though… no. Decent piloting skills are one thing, but mastering Slave I’s control layout that fast is another.

Yeah, I mean if they had put some Chechov's gun in the scenario where she explained she was familiar with that class of ship it would have been better.

Also, seismic charges were kind of a niche weapon if we go by the prequel movies, but theoretically she could know how a control system for them looks and could have gone, "Seismic charges, sweet weapon, Laurance, er, I mean Boba."

As a whole I think there was a concerted effort to make her look more capable than Fett IMHO, so there is at least some woke pandering going on, on the other hand I want to see way, way more of her, as long as she doesn't outshine the actual main character.

It is The Book of Boba Fett, not the Book of Fennec, not that I wouldn't mind a spinoff of that nature, though, preferably involving the albino Twi'lek from that bar. *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*

Also, I think we all forgot the elephant in the room.

NAMELY THAT THE USE OF THE SEISMIC CHARGE AGAINST THE SARLACC JUST TORPEDOED DACEDS-WORTH OF ICS-BASED STAR WARS WEAPONS YIELDS-WHANK!!!!!!

A run of the mill 20th century missile with comparable-sized warhead probably could have done more damage.

Although I am sure that someone will try and prove the Sarlacc's gut is made of neutronium and it somehow absorbed 99.99999999999% of the seismic charge's energy, while somehow not vaporising all of the thing's stomach acid and its various tentacles.

 

[Zachowon]

Perhaps I am jumping at shadows, but Fennec was deffinitely outshining Boba, and that little droid fight made him look cartoonish, the seismic charge felt like the cherry on top of the cake.

I likes the scene.
A lot if sand can do a lot ya know.
I is used to stop bullets itl

 

[Agent23]

I likes the scene.
A lot if sand can do a lot ya know.
I is used to stop bullets itl

To each his own, I found it entertaining, too.
But the amount of energy released should have turned the Sarlacc into pulp if ICS or other, over the top calcs are taken into account,Shockwaves and energy do take the easiest route out, so technically the sand should have tuened the detonation into a sort of shaped charge, also there should have been a molten glass crater, not a gutted Sarlacc.

 

[Zachowon]

To each his own, I found it entertaining, too.
But the amount of energy released should have turned the Sarlacc into pulp if ICS or other, over the top calcs are taken into account,Shockwaves and energy do take the easiest route out, so technically the sand should have tuened the detonation into a sort of shaped charge, also there should have been a molten glass crater, not a gutted Sarlacc.

We dont know what the inside looked like. It could be...well more then just gutted.

 

[Agent23]

We dont know what the inside looked like. It could be...well more then just gutted.

Um, we saw Boba climb out covered in Sarlacc guts, and lots of tentacles shot out of the hole.

 

[Zachowon]

Um, we saw Boba climb out covered in Sarlacc guts, and lots of tentacles shot out of the hole.

They didn't shoot out of the hole. The tentacles left were the ones holding the Slave 1.
And yes, some guts.
But never take ICS calca

 

[ShadowArxxy]

A run of the mill 20th century missile with comparable-sized warhead probably could have done more damage.

Although I am sure that someone will try and prove the Sarlacc's gut is made of neutronium and it somehow absorbed 99.99999999999% of the seismic charge's energy, while somehow not vaporising all of the thing's stomach acid and its various tentacles.

Except we've *repeatedly* seen that seismic charges produce an exotic energy effect in the form of an expanding planar ring of shatter-cutting. The visual effect seen in BoBF Episode 4 is completely consistent with that; the sand burst was clearly a surface disturbance from the exact same sideways ring effect going off underground.

 

[Agent23]

Except we've *repeatedly* seen that seismic charges produce an exotic energy effect in the form of an expanding planar ring of shatter-cutting. The visual effect seen in BoBF Episode 4 is completely consistent with that; the sand burst was clearly a surface disturbance from the exact same sideways ring effect going off underground.

Back in the day everyone on the SW whank side was saying that the thing vaporized the asteroids it hit, also that wave wasn't really all that impressive.

So,yeah, ICS and teraton turbolasers are dead,IMHO.

Also, Slave I's turbolasers weren't all that impressive,too.

 

[Zachowon]

Except we've *repeatedly* seen that seismic charges produce an exotic energy effect in the form of an expanding planar ring of shatter-cutting. The visual effect seen in BoBF Episode 4 is completely consistent with that; the sand burst was clearly a surface disturbance from the exact same sideways ring effect going off underground.

Most likely a sonic force, the sand disturbence the waves pushing the sand away rapidly

 

[Zachowon]

Back in the day everyone on the SW whank side was saying that the thing vaporized the asteroids it hit, also that wave wasn't really all that impressive.

So,yeah, ICS and teraton turbolasers are dead,IMHO.

Also, Slave I's turbolasers weren't all that impressive,too.

The Turbolasers were firing into Sand against the Sarlacc.

We also have to realize the amount of energy in a turbolaser is more concentrated then that of a bullet

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Also, Slave I's turbolasers weren't all that impressive,too.

Those aren't turbolasers, those are rapid-fire blaster cannons. What makes those guns really nasty is they're on par with the bigger end of starfighter guns, but with a *vastly* higher rate of fire and enough generator capacity to sustain fire indefinitely, versus starfighters which are consistently portrayed as having much, much more limited power budgets.

 

[Agent23]

Those aren't turbolasers, those are rapid-fire blaster cannons. What makes those guns really nasty is they're on par with the bigger end of starfighter guns, but with a *vastly* higher rate of fire and enough generator capacity to sustain fire indefinitely, versus starfighters which are consistently portrayed as having much, much more limited power budgets.

Still though, ICS is thoroughly screwed.

Because a teenage girl less than five and a half feet tall can't actually reach an eight foot tall Wookiee's neck, and also because a bunch of kids aren't highly trained and experienced fighters?

I mean, you gotta give the kids props for loyalty -- Black Krrsantan is easily capable of literally ripping them limb from limb if he managed to grab/grapple any one of them *or* shattering every bone in their body if he knocks them aside with anything more than a glancing blow, he's physically tough enough to pretty much shrug off hits from their small melee weapons, and they *still* throw themselves at him to buy Boba some breathing room.

(I don't think the speeder chase was impressive, but I don't think it was *supposed* to be all that impressive. The kids aren't supposed to be highly skilled at anything; Fett's giving them a chance because they had the guts to stand up to him face to face, which is a hell of a lot more than most people in the GFFO ever do when facing someone with that level of reputation.)

Two points about that fight:
1) Stunners are a thing.
2) Ranged weapons, too, of which SW stunners are a subset.

 

[Skallagrim]

Also, I think we all forgot the elephant in the room.

NAMELY THAT THE USE OF THE SEISMIC CHARGE AGAINST THE SARLACC JUST TORPEDOED DACEDS-WORTH OF ICS-BASED STAR WARS WEAPONS YIELDS-WHANK!!!!!!

But the amount of energy released should have turned the Sarlacc into pulp if ICS or other, over the top calcs are taken into account

So,yeah, ICS and teraton turbolasers are dead,IMHO.

Still though, ICS is thoroughly screwed.

I get the feeling that have a bit of an opinion on this topic...

Anyway, not to pop the balloon or anything, but most of those ICS stats are from the old continuity, and this series is new continuity. So... they don't really affect each other to begin with. What you see in this series can't torpedo "decades" of anything, since the series is part of a continuity that has only existed since 2014.

(Of course, there are ICS books for Disney canon, too, and what we see here may conflict with those. I wouldn't know about that, because I've stopped caring about Disney's attempts at continuity.)

My take: SW is space adventure pulp, and weapons are always as powerful as the plot demands. You can't iron out the vast amount of discrepancies. In any kind of discussion, you can either go with the MST3K mantra, or you can try to treat it all as a hard science -- and then you have to use fridge logic to determine how powerful any of all this stuff really has to be in order to do all the things we see it doing, and... just filter out the instances that fly in the face of logic.

Of course, given what we know, that latter approach would mean that asteroid-pulverising seismic charges are The Truth™, and that the unrealistically tiny blast we saw in this episode is the discrepancy that we should ignore as unacceptably unrealistic...

And, yeah, that exact approach actually led to the ICS numbers in the first place. So the MST3K Mantra it is, I guess.

 

[Agent23]

I get the feeling that have a bit of an opinion on this topic...

Anyway, not to pop the balloon or anything, but most of those ICS stats are from the old continuity, and this series is new continuity. So... they don't really affect each other to begin with. What you see in this series can't torpedo "decades" of anything, since the series is part of a continuity that has only existed since 2014.

(Of course, there are ICS books for Disney canon, too, and what we see here may conflict with those. I wouldn't know about that, because I've stopped caring about Disney's attempts at continuity.)

My take: SW is space adventure pulp, and weapons are always as powerful as the plot demands. You can't iron out the vast amount of discrepancies. In any kind of discussion, you can either go with the MST3K mantra, or you can try to treat it all as a hard science -- and then you have to use fridge logic to determine how powerful any of all this stuff really has to be in order to do all the things we see it doing, and... just filter out the instances that fly in the face of logic.

Of course, given what we know, that latter approach would mean that asteroid-pulverising seismic charges are The Truth™, and that the unrealistically tiny blast we saw in this episode is the discrepancy that we should ignore as unacceptably unrealistic...

And, yeah, that exact approach actually led to the ICS numbers in the first place. So the MST3K Mantra it is, I guess.

I love Star Wars, I can't stand the Star Wars Whankers, many of which were just opening their mouths and letting a certain Rodent piss right down their throat when the sequels came out.

Also, such precedents as the one I quoted are a dime a dozen in the new Wars material.

 

[Skallagrim]

I love Star Wars, I can't stand the Star Wars Whankers, many of which were just opening their mouths and letting a certain Rodent piss right down their throat when the sequels came out.

To me, it just depends on the discussion/conversation. If we're just having fun... well, then who gives a damn about the exact specs of some specific weapon? As long as it doesn't totally screw up the continuity and all established logic (e.g. anything seen in TLJ), I just want a cool scene. And if the explosion's fireball is a bit bigger or smaller than the one produced by the same weapon in some other film/episode/comic/game/whatever... who cares? Big gun, big boom. Cool.

On the other hand, if some total pedant insists on comparing franchises and insists on cherry-picking stats and figures from his favoured setting that make the ships and weapons from that setting as powerful as can be half-way justified... well, then I can just throw the ICS numbers at him. It's a matter of... ah-ha-ha, "equality of arms". If he wants to use his über-wanked stats, then I do the same, and we'll see where that lands.

If on the other hand, he doesn't care about that bullshit, then neither do I.

 

[Agent23]

The Empire used fucking Nukes against the Mandos.
They were THAT scared of the Mandos..

It is so fucking good so far Holy shit...

I can't wait to see Grogu and perhaps have then all team up to help Boba

Nukes are a joke compared to most of the stuff the OT and EU empire was willing to pull:

Death Stars.

Golan Siege Stations.

Extensive bio-weapons research.

BDZ.

Eclipse-class SSDs.

World Devastators

All of Palpatine's other genocidal toys and lackeys.

Also, those nukes just sent the Empire's power levels way, waay down.

I personally loved the Maodalorian shots that were reminiscent of the Terminator openings.

Also, FFS, they have so many cool ships, and they gave Mando a Nubian Chromefighter, a Chromefighter on which they wasted a lot of time and resources!

Overall, this episode had a lot of nice references, nostalgia bait, cool CGI and scenery porn, but it was mostly set-up/filler.

Episode 6 needs to be really, really massive.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Also, those nukes just sent the Empire's power levels way, waay down.

Those were TIE Bomber ordnance. Even if you assume they're the larger proton bombs and not just vehicle-scale thermal detonators, that demonstrates that small, cheap, common fighter carried bombs are on the scale of strategic warheads.

 

[Agent23]

Those were TIE Bomber ordnance. Even if you assume they're the larger proton bombs and not just vehicle-scale thermal detonators, that demonstrates that small, cheap, common fighter carried bombs are on the scale of strategic warheads.

35–350 kilotonnes of TNT + reentry vehicle(Over 20 Hiroshimas IIRC).

Not all that big.

An ICS SD should have been able to do the job much faster, and just shooting turbolasers should be cheaper than sending tie bombers in close, you have duel costs, wear and tear, pilot hours, the danger of accidents and the possibility of a few getting shot down.

Fett and Mando have slain Darth Wang's theories.

 

[Zachowon]

35–350 kilotonnes of TNT + reentry vehicle(Over 20 Hiroshimas IIRC).

Not all that big.

An ICS SD should have been able to do the job much faster, and just shooting turbolasers should be cheaper than sending tie bombers in close, you have duel costs, wear and tear, pilot hours, the danger of accidents and the possibility of a few getting shot down.

Fett and Mando have slain Darth Wang's theories.

It is more like, they did it to show the Mandos they are nothing compared to the Empire. It is like the whole thing about World War 2 Strategic Bombing. it want always effective but it often showed just how little you could actually do with no to little air support.
It was about the fear.

If youhave seen bad batch, we see that Turbo Lasers are practically super penetratorswhen it comes to hollow like structures.

Why are you using real world things for a setting where vehicles can go from the ground to space in seconds casually?

ICBMs are kinda useless, when you can bombard from space, or just send in a fleet of bobmers to show how useless a people are

 

[Agent23]

It is more like, they did it to show the Mandos they are nothing compared to the Empire. It is like the whole thing about World War 2 Strategic Bombing. it want always effective but it often showed just how little you could actually do with no to little air support.
It was about the fear.

If youhave seen bad batch, we see that Turbo Lasers are practically super penetratorswhen it comes to hollow like structures.

Why are you using real world things for a setting where vehicles can go from the ground to space in seconds casually?

ICBMs are kinda useless, when you can bombard from space, or just send in a fleet of bobmers to show how useless a people are

Oh, if you were organizing an invasion would you limit yourself to the equivalent of neolithic spears and stones, and maybe the occasional sling, or will you use the full might of your military?

The disparity between modern-day nukes and what the GE should have is at least two times bigger than that.
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