The bad guy

[Comrade Clod]

The real problem as I see it is that there isn't even a "SJW" movement outside tumblr to begin with. Its just people having problems with how certain things are run and peoples reactions to thus.

You'll never get a "Social Justice Party" for example

 

[DarthOne]

SJWs are more champagne socialists mixed with what I can only describe as an inverted version of Nazism to a large degree. And I’m not trying to Godwin here.

 

[Comrade Clod]

SJWs are more champagne socialists mixed with what I can only describe as an inverted version of Nazism to a large degree. And I’m not trying to Godwin here.

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Projection is a hell of a drug I guess.

(not the Champange socialists, those exist). But please do tell me how some people wanting equal rights and climate change is equivalent to the Nazis?

 

[DarthOne]

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Projection is a hell of a drug I guess.

(not the Champange socialists, those exist). But please do tell me how some people wanting equal rights and climate change is equivalent to the Nazis?

More in their likes and dislikes then any overt actions. The SJW types aren’t mass murdering people. (At least not yet.)

Among other things, Nazis viewed people of certain groups as ‘superior’ or ‘inferior’. SJWs do the same, only it’s largely reversed. So that people who are white or Asian are seen as ‘bad’ thanks to the oppression stack.

Likewise, both SJWs and the Nazis hold to the idea of reparations, ‘sins of the father’ and the like-though again reversed. There’s also their positions on the rights of women; Nazis were very slanted against them with the whole ‘children, home and church’ being seen as the highest goals for women to aspire to. Whereas SJWs have shot straight past the idea of equality to having a position that is frankly misandrist. As also goes for the SJW stance of LGBTQ alphabet soup group and their rights. The goal has long since gone from ‘we should treat them as equals’ to ‘we should give them preferential treatment and if you say otherwise your a filthy bigot!’.

About the only areas where SJWs are exactly similar to Nazis is both have a mutual hate for people of Jewish descent, they both seem to see certain people of Middle Eastern descent as ‘good’, a strange ‘fondness’ of Islam* and being driven more by emotion then logical reasoning. As a consequence of the last, both are rabid ideologies. The sort who will turn on their own in a instant if they have the wrong opinion.

*Hitler: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"


Edit: autocorrect error. ‘Repetitions’ changes to ‘reparations’.

 

[The Name of Love]

They maybe just for “regulated capitalism” and with lots of taxes for programs

Not that they will be paying taxes themselves

Many of them are European-style social democrats or neoliberal free market types (of the bleeding heart libertarian variety).

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Projection is a hell of a drug I guess.

(not the Champange socialists, those exist). But please do tell me how some people wanting equal rights and climate change is equivalent to the Nazis?

What does "wanting equal rights and climate change" entail?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

What does "wanting equal rights and climate change" entail?

“Equal Rights” more like special rights, like allowing a “minority” to get off free for a crime because it would be “bigoted”

Even if said crime was towards another minority, have to respect “cultural relativism” even if forcibly veiling women and “punishing” them for the “crime” of being near a man who’s not family or husband

Course, the “champagne socialist” types will be largely immune of being affected by these crimes because they live in safer and walled communities like Hollywood celebrities

 

[The Name of Love]

“Equal Rights” more like special rights, like allowing a “minority” to get off free for a crime because it would be “bigoted”

Even if said crime was towards another minority, have to respect “cultural relativism” even if forcibly veiling women and “punishing” them for the “crime” of being near a man who’s not family or husband

Course, the “champagne socialist” types will be largely immune of being affected by these crimes because they live in safer and walled communities like Hollywood celebrities

I was asking Comrade Clod that question though.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I was asking Comrade Clod that question though.

Okay, just saying, I think

I admit though, equality has its flaws, which is probably why the latter version exists, but can take a VERY dark turn when done stupidly

How else to balance out the ratios like the number of women soldiers not being on the same level as men

 

[Deleted member]

Wasn't this forum founded on the premise of "people who think their opponents are fundamentally evil are creating a dangerous and toxic environment" or was it just when people think right wingers are evil.

It was founded because I regarded myself as having a moral obligation to help the spacebattles right-wing community from having its speech silenced by people who claimed that they spoke for people like me, and more particularly because I'm Lightning Count's friend and I was furious with how he was being railroaded for what were clearly honest and correct actions, and called a racist when he absolutely was not one. It was founded to make a principled statement that I believed people could get along in a community if they were polite to each other no matter what beliefs that they espoused.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

It was founded because I regarded myself as having a moral obligation to help the spacebattles right-wing community from having its speech silenced by people who claimed that they spoke for people like me, and more particularly because I'm Lightning Count's friend and I was furious with how he was being railroaded for what were clearly honest and correct actions, and called a racist when he absolutely was not one. It was founded to make a principled statement that I believed people could get along in a community if they were polite to each other no matter what beliefs that they espoused.

The fact that you are our founder and MTF, shows how surprisingly tolerant or indifferent we are to “minorities” unless they actually cause trouble

Hell, they must be really fucking confused and be calling you “Aunt Tomi”

 

[Deleted member]

The fact that you are our founder and MTF, shows how surprisingly tolerant or indifferent we are to “minorities” unless they actually cause trouble

Hell, they must be really fucking confused and be calling you “Aunt Tomi”

If the epithet "LOYAL" is on my tomb when I am dead and cremated, then I have accomplished all I want to in life. Let them say whatever they want.

 

[DarthOne]

If the epithet "LOYAL" is on my tomb when I am dead and cremated, then I have accomplished all I want to in life. Let them say whatever they want.

As epitaphs go, it’s a pretty good one. And a honorable goal to aspire to be remembered as such.

 

[Deleted member]

As epitaphs go, it’s a pretty good one. And a honorable goal to aspire to be remembered as such.

I firmly believe Loyalty to one's Country, People, Family, Friends, Co-Religionists -- is the foremost virtue, and it's in judging how you respond to any disputes between these manifestations of loyalty which are really a mark of your character. Whether it's humble, simple loyalty, of giving a friend a place to stay for the night, or the kind of loyalty which gets you killed, displaying it is displaying the best of humanity.

 

[Navarro]

There is a tendency to dismiss apolitical villains and not take them seriously, where as a villain whose actions have political meaning are hated and seen as serious. For example, someone might say that they like Chaos from Warhammer and nobody would think it’s a big deal, but if somebody said that they liked some straw-sexist or straw-racist would piss people off, even if that character was relatively harmless.

Heh, some people have genuinely argued that Chaos from 40k isn't the ultimate cosmic evil that the lore presents it as and that all of the depictions showing it as such (which is all of them) are Imperial propaganda, because 40k is a "satire" (it isn't) and has to be read as such (it shouldn't be).

Not to mention the people who argue that Sauron was actually the good guy in Lord of the Rings because he brought "progress" (a totalitarian slave state which sought to conquer the world). I even saw somebody make that argument about Smaug, and all he did was utterly destroy and plunder Erebor and Dale, which hadn't done anything to him!

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Heh, some people have genuinely argued that Chaos from 40k isn't the ultimate cosmic evil that the lore presents it as and that all of the depictions showing it as such (which is all of them) are Imperial propaganda, because 40k is a "satire" (it isn't) and has to be read as such (it shouldn't be).

Not to mention the people who argue that Sauron was actually the good guy in Lord of the Rings because he brought "progress" (a totalitarian slave state which sought to conquer the world). I even saw somebody make that argument about Smaug, and all he did was utterly destroy and plunder Erebor and Dale, which hadn't done anything to him!

Sauron was a good guy, one that allowed himself through good intentions to become a villain. Perhaps, in some sense they see themselves?

Wait, isn't Smaug a robber baron writ large? Someone who uses their immense power to steal from those weaker than them?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Wait, isn't Smaug a robber baron writ large? Someone who uses their immense power to steal from those weaker than them?

A surprisingly inactive one at that

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

A surprisingly inactive one at that

Well, I guess C.S. Lewis was right, the lust of such men, or in this case lizards seem to be able to be satiated. Unlike those of ones like Sauron. I am sure you all know the line of which I refer.

 

[FriedCFour]

The real problem as I see it is that there isn't even a "SJW" movement outside tumblr to begin with. Its just people having problems with how certain things are run and peoples reactions to thus.

You'll never get a "Social Justice Party" for example

Sure there is. Its called the Democratic Socialists of America.



But yeah, SJW is pretty much just a pejorative for the progressive left. Its not all that meaningful outside it. Its for those who say things like "racism is power + privilege" "believe all women" etc.

 

[LordsFire]

The thing that makes it clear to me that the far left are the 'bad guys,' is their assumption of superpowers.

Specifically, telepathy.

A hard leftist/SJW says: "Sex is a social construct! We should give children hormone blockers if trans has become a fad in their social circle when they're 12 years old!"

A conservative says: "You are incorrect. Sex is readily biologically discernible, and while there are an extremely small number of people with abnormal chromosomes, we aren't going to let that be used as an excuse to sterilize, maim, and permanently damage the health of children who are demonstrably not part of that group. Once someone is an adult, they can do to themselves what they want, though we hope they will do what is healthy and moral."

Hard leftist/SJW says: "What you really mean is that hate LGBT!+ people! You want them to die! You're a ***-phobe and a bigot!"


See how that works? The conservative takes what the leftist actually said, and disagrees with that. They contest the validity of the leftist's claim. Some conservatives are frankly terrible at trying to argue about it, but they argue the actual stated position the leftist has claimed themselves.

The hard leftist/SJW puts words into the conservative's mouth, imputes not just an immoral motive, but also the desire to harm the other to them, and then attacks them for such.

Basically, they claim to be able to read the mind of the conservative, and know that said conservative is actually a hater/wants X protected minority group to suffer. When asked for proof, they'll either cite not supporting a given lifestyle, or fringe groups like Westboro Baptist as representative of everyone more culturally/politically right than Bernie Sanders, or similar. Then they demand the government enforce their ideology on the conservative(s).

This is one of many ways I know that the hard left/SJWs are the bad guys.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Heh, some people have genuinely argued that Chaos from 40k isn't the ultimate cosmic evil that the lore presents it as and that all of the depictions showing it as such (which is all of them) are Imperial propaganda, because 40k is a "satire" (it isn't) and has to be read as such (it shouldn't be).

One of the most common arguments for the evil of opposing Chaos by the Imperium is cause Slaanesh represents LGBT.

Of course, its only problematic when the Imperium opposes Chaos. Other sides are perfectly fine fighting Chaos without it being problematic for some reason.