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It’s probably a way for Swedes and their government to feel as if they matter or have some significant say in global affairs.
Sweden is a shithole
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Floridaman
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That is the point, but it is a ridiculous joke,being viewed as doormats is the exact opposite of being a power.
Terthna
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Muslims also have this thing where they never accept a loss; ever. They still obsess over re-taking land they lost centuries ago, even though they only had it because they had taken it from someone else. Islam is a religion of conquest, and all things belong to them, in their eyes; it's just a question of if they're capable of taking it today, or if they must wait.
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Yeah, their obsessed with reclaiming "Al-Andalus".
The world is divided into the Dar al Islam(the house of Peace), and the Dar al Harb or the House of War. And Islam will not be satisfied until all the earth is under the former.
Losses and setbacks may occur. But they never bring about an end to that fundamental paradigm.
To be sure Islamic empires and dynasties were not constantly expanding, but this was just about always due to the relative strength of the powers involved, the internal situation, and so on.
Honestly-if the native Germans and Swedes and French fought back, and I mean violently-muslims would probably show them more respect and not urinate on people they rob. You don't do that to people you respect-even your enemies. You do that to people who you have nothing but contempt for. Weaklings, unworthy even of say a quick slashing of the throat.
But yeah-peace for muslims is a time to wait. If they are losing territory, or manpower or are on the receiving end of a beating in war, its just a temporary loss(and is almost never their fault-someone else made them lose, for muslims see themselves as inherently superior you see). Something which will be inevitably rectified.
This makes it sound like the only solutions to a peaceful co-existance with Islam are either forcing a reform on the religion for several generations, or committing cultural genocide.
CarlManvers2019
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Here’s a prediction, when, not if the EU splits or fractures
Or it does without being completely dissolved and is done relatively gradually
There will be border walls between nations to keep the Muslim Migrants and even the other European people out
May even be on the inside of said countries too
They will give warnings before they use tear gas
CarlManvers2019
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How about amplifying the worst of their attitudes and being repeatedly seen doing that stuff even in the media
Not even be able to hide their beliefs when confronted by opposition
Get so fucking bad that even people within hate it and get so bad that not even the rich business democrats are willing to defend them as they have a hard time even with interaction
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Thing is-modern Islam is reformed-to be like IS.
Your Sufi lodge, or folk based Islam in Indonesia? That Islam you could co-exist with(to a point anyway), but those variants of Islam-often less Islamic and more tied to some local culture are fading away.
You might have to have colonial rule for centuries. Enough to re-educate the populace for enough time so that Islam is broken as a motor force in their minds.
But yeah-its a grim situation. The Chinese seem to be handling it though.
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Terthna
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Unfortunately, the root cause of that "reformation" over the past century or so, the Saudis, are protected by their current alliance with most of the western world (which exists because oil). Until that ends, and they (and their wealth) are removed from the equation, the situation will only get worse over time.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Ok so what I found has to do with a murder of Elin Krantz and a video that allegedly involved her in video done by a comedy group that triggered people as it was expected to get a reaction.
en.wikipedia.org
She was a Swedish girl and believer of multiculturalism who got raped and murdered by an Ethiopian immigrant with violent images of her body posted online that you can yourself check with her name since it's NSFW. Her damaged and dirt smeared body placed among rocks that looked twisted in contortion. It was quite a scene.
Just put the m in com and you can see it. This is in case of it being NSFW.
This was the video that pissed people off. Blanda Upp aka Mix Up. A video that promotes race mixing where rumors spread she was the girl singing the Swedish national anthem while having sex with a black man from behind. Others disputed that and it was a different girl who was in the video. Didn't stop people from doing those TLDR text and images that you should be able to find too by shortening the search to steemit and Elin Krantz since it includes NSFW images of her body.
The name of the comedy group that released the video succeeded in grabbing attention.
en.wikipedia.org
As I can attest, it was certainly an eye catching story that sticks to you due to the vivid image of the dead body when the facts are much more different even if the poor soul was a supporter of multiculturalism.
Murder of Elin Krantz - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
She was a Swedish girl and believer of multiculturalism who got raped and murdered by an Ethiopian immigrant with violent images of her body posted online that you can yourself check with her name since it's NSFW. Her damaged and dirt smeared body placed among rocks that looked twisted in contortion. It was quite a scene.
Just put the m in com and you can see it. This is in case of it being NSFW.
This was the video that pissed people off. Blanda Upp aka Mix Up. A video that promotes race mixing where rumors spread she was the girl singing the Swedish national anthem while having sex with a black man from behind. Others disputed that and it was a different girl who was in the video. Didn't stop people from doing those TLDR text and images that you should be able to find too by shortening the search to steemit and Elin Krantz since it includes NSFW images of her body.
The name of the comedy group that released the video succeeded in grabbing attention.
Grotesco - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
As I can attest, it was certainly an eye catching story that sticks to you due to the vivid image of the dead body when the facts are much more different even if the poor soul was a supporter of multiculturalism.
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CarlManvers2019
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I’m more surprised that the murderer was African American rather than just straight up Somalian
PsihoKekec
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Ethiopia is in Africa (right next to Somalia), not USA.
Sol Zagato
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No religion performs exactly to its base code. See: the Crusades. It just takes a lot less in the way of mental gymnastics to get "conquer and rule the world" out of the Koran.
However, Islam doesn't have to be a problem. Most muslims are chill people just getting through the day. Certain interpretations of Islam undeniably are a problem, the difference between Islam and other religions at present being the problem-causing religious doctrines having comparatively more force and favor.
CarlManvers2019
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It doesn't help that they got governments that make insane laws on the logic of insane priesthood who thinks there's something wrong for women's biology when it comes to them driving
Or even playing chess
LifeisTiresome
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Interesting news from Sweden
Teenage transgender row splits Sweden as dysphoria diagnoses soar by 1,500%
New health report and TV debates highlight backlash against gender reassignment
www.theguardian.com
For several days this week the veteran Swedish journalist Malou von Sivers will cover the same topic in every episode of her nightly TV chat show: the extraordinary rise in diagnoses of gender dysphoria among teenage girls.
Lukas Romson, one of the country’s leading trans activists, is prepared for the worst. “There will be no serious trans activists in the show, because none of us trusts Malou at all,” he says. “I’m afraid she’ll just use us.”
But the fact that a mainstream programme is devoting so much time to the issue demonstrates just how much the debate has shifted in Sweden over the past year. “It’s been a very big change and very sudden,” Romson adds. “Everyone – but especially young people – feels worse because of what they perceive as the media’s hatred of them.”
The immediate trigger for Von Sivers’s themed week is a report from Sweden’s Board of Health and Welfare which confirmed a 1,500% rise between 2008 and 2018 in gender dysphoria diagnoses among 13- to 17-year-olds born as girls.
But it also reflects a rapid change in public opinion. Just a year ago, there seemed few official obstacles left in the way of young people who wanted gender reassignment treatment.
In the autumn of 2018, the Social Democrat-led government, under pressure from the gay, lesbian and transgender group RFSL, proposed a new law which would reduce the minimum age for sex reassignment medical care from 18 to 15, remove all need for parental consent, and allow children as young as 12 to change their legal gender.
Then in March last year, the backlash started. Christopher Gillberg, a psychiatrist at Gothenburg’s Sahlgrenska Academy, wrote an article in the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper warning that hormone treatment and surgery on children was “a big experiment” which risked becoming one of the country’s worst medical scandals.
In April, Uppdrag Granskning, an investigative TV programme, followed up with a documentary profiling a former trans man, Sametti, who regretted her irreversible treatment.
In October, the programme turned its fire on the team at Stockholm’s Karolinska University hospital, which specialises in treating minors with gender dysphoria. The unit has been criticised for carrying out double mastectomies on children as young as 14, and accused of rushing through treatment and failing to consider adequately whether patients’ other psychiatric or developmental issues might better explain their unhappiness with their bodies. The Karolinska disputed the claim, saying it carefully assessed each case.
At the same time, Filter magazine profiled the case of Jennifer Ring, a 32-year-old trans woman who hanged herself four years after her surgery. An expert on psychosis who was shown her medical journal by her father, Avi Ring, was quoted as saying that she had shown clear signs of psychosis at the time she first sought treatment for gender dysphoria.
Indeed, the first clinic she approached refused to treat her, citing signs of schizotypal symptoms and lack of a history of gender dysphoria. But the team at Karolinska went ahead. “Karolinska don’t stop anyone; virtually 100% get sex reassignment,” says Ring.
Sweden’s authorities are starting to respond. Shortly before the bill that would have lowered the sex reassignment minimum age was due to be debated in parliament in September, it was shelved, and the Board of Health and Welfare was ordered to reassess the evidence. Its report is due on 31 March.
After being interviewed on Uppdrag Granskning, Sweden’s health minister, Lena Hallengren, asked the programme to include a text addendum to remind viewers that it had been her predecessor, and not her, who had drafted the controversial law.
On 20 December, the Swedish Agency for Health Technology Assessment, which the government had asked to review the scientific research into the recent surge in teenagers reporting gender dysphoria, reported that there was very little research either into the reason for the increase or the risks or benefits of hormone treatment and surgery.
For Romson this is a worrying turn of events. He blames Gender Identity Challenge Scandinavia (Genid), a parents’ group set up by Ring, a retired professor of neurophysiology, the Swedish toxicologist Karin Svens and the Norwegian teacher Marit Rønstad, for the change in the debate, contrasting these “so-called concerned parents” with “real parents” who affirm their children’s chosen identities. Svens was the only Swedish parent to speak openly on Uppdrag Granskning about how her trans son announced he was a boy when he was 17, started going to Karolinska’s adult clinic when he turned 18, and now identifies as male. When asked about Jennifer Ring, he says that friends of hers have told him she found it difficult that her family were unwilling to accept her as a trans woman.
“When I started questioning this some years ago, I thought I was alone,” says Svens. “They tried to scare me by repeatedly implying that there is a high risk of suicide, especially if the parents don’t agree. Now more and more parents have found the courage to question what the doctors say.”
The recent report from the Board of Health and Welfare also found that 32.4 percent of 13 to 17-year-olds with gender dysphoria registered at birth as women also had diagnoses for anxiety disorder, 28.9 percent had depression, 19.4 percent had ADHD, and 15.2 percent had autism.
Trans people often explain the higher levels of depression and anxiety by pointing to the difficult experience living in a body that clashes with their gender identity, particularly when many in society, often including parents and friends, do not accept their identity.
One of the most surprising changes has been the growing divisions between trans activists. While Romson warns that children will have even more anxiety because of the change in the debate, Aleksa Lundberg, a trans woman and longstanding activist, is backing the call for more research.
Last October she apologised for not having been sufficiently open about the depression she had felt after her operation. “I would probably not undergo corrective surgery if I had the same choice today,” she wrote. “And I want to apologise to those who perhaps needed to hear that story earlier.”
Teenage transgender row splits Sweden as dysphoria diagnoses soar by 1,500%
New health report and TV debates highlight backlash against gender reassignment
Teenage transgender row splits Sweden as dysphoria diagnoses soar by 1,500%
New health report and TV debates highlight backlash against gender reassignment
www.theguardian.com
For several days this week the veteran Swedish journalist Malou von Sivers will cover the same topic in every episode of her nightly TV chat show: the extraordinary rise in diagnoses of gender dysphoria among teenage girls.
Lukas Romson, one of the country’s leading trans activists, is prepared for the worst. “There will be no serious trans activists in the show, because none of us trusts Malou at all,” he says. “I’m afraid she’ll just use us.”
But the fact that a mainstream programme is devoting so much time to the issue demonstrates just how much the debate has shifted in Sweden over the past year. “It’s been a very big change and very sudden,” Romson adds. “Everyone – but especially young people – feels worse because of what they perceive as the media’s hatred of them.”
The immediate trigger for Von Sivers’s themed week is a report from Sweden’s Board of Health and Welfare which confirmed a 1,500% rise between 2008 and 2018 in gender dysphoria diagnoses among 13- to 17-year-olds born as girls.
But it also reflects a rapid change in public opinion. Just a year ago, there seemed few official obstacles left in the way of young people who wanted gender reassignment treatment.
In the autumn of 2018, the Social Democrat-led government, under pressure from the gay, lesbian and transgender group RFSL, proposed a new law which would reduce the minimum age for sex reassignment medical care from 18 to 15, remove all need for parental consent, and allow children as young as 12 to change their legal gender.
Then in March last year, the backlash started. Christopher Gillberg, a psychiatrist at Gothenburg’s Sahlgrenska Academy, wrote an article in the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper warning that hormone treatment and surgery on children was “a big experiment” which risked becoming one of the country’s worst medical scandals.
In April, Uppdrag Granskning, an investigative TV programme, followed up with a documentary profiling a former trans man, Sametti, who regretted her irreversible treatment.
In October, the programme turned its fire on the team at Stockholm’s Karolinska University hospital, which specialises in treating minors with gender dysphoria. The unit has been criticised for carrying out double mastectomies on children as young as 14, and accused of rushing through treatment and failing to consider adequately whether patients’ other psychiatric or developmental issues might better explain their unhappiness with their bodies. The Karolinska disputed the claim, saying it carefully assessed each case.
At the same time, Filter magazine profiled the case of Jennifer Ring, a 32-year-old trans woman who hanged herself four years after her surgery. An expert on psychosis who was shown her medical journal by her father, Avi Ring, was quoted as saying that she had shown clear signs of psychosis at the time she first sought treatment for gender dysphoria.
Indeed, the first clinic she approached refused to treat her, citing signs of schizotypal symptoms and lack of a history of gender dysphoria. But the team at Karolinska went ahead. “Karolinska don’t stop anyone; virtually 100% get sex reassignment,” says Ring.
Sweden’s authorities are starting to respond. Shortly before the bill that would have lowered the sex reassignment minimum age was due to be debated in parliament in September, it was shelved, and the Board of Health and Welfare was ordered to reassess the evidence. Its report is due on 31 March.
After being interviewed on Uppdrag Granskning, Sweden’s health minister, Lena Hallengren, asked the programme to include a text addendum to remind viewers that it had been her predecessor, and not her, who had drafted the controversial law.
On 20 December, the Swedish Agency for Health Technology Assessment, which the government had asked to review the scientific research into the recent surge in teenagers reporting gender dysphoria, reported that there was very little research either into the reason for the increase or the risks or benefits of hormone treatment and surgery.
For Romson this is a worrying turn of events. He blames Gender Identity Challenge Scandinavia (Genid), a parents’ group set up by Ring, a retired professor of neurophysiology, the Swedish toxicologist Karin Svens and the Norwegian teacher Marit Rønstad, for the change in the debate, contrasting these “so-called concerned parents” with “real parents” who affirm their children’s chosen identities. Svens was the only Swedish parent to speak openly on Uppdrag Granskning about how her trans son announced he was a boy when he was 17, started going to Karolinska’s adult clinic when he turned 18, and now identifies as male. When asked about Jennifer Ring, he says that friends of hers have told him she found it difficult that her family were unwilling to accept her as a trans woman.
“When I started questioning this some years ago, I thought I was alone,” says Svens. “They tried to scare me by repeatedly implying that there is a high risk of suicide, especially if the parents don’t agree. Now more and more parents have found the courage to question what the doctors say.”
The recent report from the Board of Health and Welfare also found that 32.4 percent of 13 to 17-year-olds with gender dysphoria registered at birth as women also had diagnoses for anxiety disorder, 28.9 percent had depression, 19.4 percent had ADHD, and 15.2 percent had autism.
Trans people often explain the higher levels of depression and anxiety by pointing to the difficult experience living in a body that clashes with their gender identity, particularly when many in society, often including parents and friends, do not accept their identity.
One of the most surprising changes has been the growing divisions between trans activists. While Romson warns that children will have even more anxiety because of the change in the debate, Aleksa Lundberg, a trans woman and longstanding activist, is backing the call for more research.
Last October she apologised for not having been sufficiently open about the depression she had felt after her operation. “I would probably not undergo corrective surgery if I had the same choice today,” she wrote. “And I want to apologise to those who perhaps needed to hear that story earlier.”
LifeisTiresome
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Turkey will no longer stop 3.5 Million Syrians from moving into Europe. I.e how is this even legal?
Someone saying “Europe is fucked” when refugees are fleeing a war sounds like racism to me, because that person is making an assumption that refugees are bad for Europe, because... I don’t know. The invaders are bad for Europe, because they are here to colonize your lands. It's your land...
I found this interesting quote by someone claiming to be Swedish on Neogaf.
It’s not my land at all. I was just fortunate enough to be born here, that’s it.
If true, leftist Swedish don't even consider Sweden their home, their land. Its basically nothing. Puts that whole Scandinavian airline ad into perspective.
And someone who commented on the above bolded quote said this:
Based on this guy's reasoning, the European people who conquered the Americas were justified too. After all, the Aztecs, Cherokee and others had no claim to the land, so if a few million whites sail up and take over, who can tell them no?
When King Leopold of Belgium invaded the Congo, it was OK because that land didn't belong to the Congolese....and so forth.
I do agree that by Swedish guys logic, no land was stolen. What do you guys think?
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
I think he unintentionally said that the only way to really own anything is to take and/or defend it with force of arms or whatever power you got
Logically yes - if no one owns land, no one can steal it.
But I doubt that Leftists would accept the logic - they would prefer that their "it's not your land, you were just born here" thing applied only to white people. Because otherwise they would have to give up on blaming white people for living on land that hundreds of years earlier was inhabited by some other ethnic group.
Oh, and - Mr Leftist? Any money you have on you - hand it over! Because it's not your money, you just happened to have it in your pocket.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Which is essentially the same justification that was used for colonialism. People like him are sociopaths, who are trying desperately to project their faults onto others so that you'll be fooled into thinking that they're decent people. They're not.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
They’re sociopaths and psychopaths obsessed with appearing “compassionate”
It’s just that the world really doesn’t match their worldview of what hollywood tells them who is good and who is evil