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It builds off of the rest of Filoni's dogshit Mandalorian rectons, the episodes are repetitive with very little connective tissue, the casting of Breaking Bad's gay chicken tycoon was ridiculous stunt casting to get Reddit hype (because only a redditor would be dumb enough to still give a shit about DisneyWars), the tracking fobs make no sense, the tone-deaf awful EU namedropping that was clearly just there to dangle shiny things in front of EU fans, and the episodes are way too short.

Yes, I realize that this is the "the food here is terrible—and in such small portions!" but that doesn't stop it from being true.
 
A big one for me is how do tracking chips work.

You accept a job and get a device that leads you right to your target? If you can do that then why is there even a need for bounty hunters?

Also episode 4-6 were kinda awful in my opinion.
Yeah, part of why Bounty Hunters were so feared and respected in the EU was because they were capable of tracking down marks without having access to said toys. If anything, the hunters used rumors, networks, and information brokers, which is a far more respectable way of hunting in my opinion. Trackers are so piss-simple, bounty hunters shouldn't exist as it is. They would be a bunch of semi-permanently hired mercenaries, or a special agency with the sole task of hunting said criminals down. No third party needed.
 
I honestly don’t think Solo is that bad. It’s basically the Brian Daley trilogy albeit loosely.

Solo should've been a TV series. Good grief, they included everything in Solo's life from his time escaping Corellia, being separated from Qira, joining the Imperial Service, meeting Beckett, becoming part of his crew, introducing the Rebel Alliance and Crimson Dawn, Lando and the Millenium Falcon, reuniting with Qira, droid autonomy, the Kessel Run and Rebellion, space monsters, and Darth Maul... all in one movie.

It somehow worked but it wasn't anything amazing.

Might've been a great television series though.
 
Jumping back slightly, but what do some of you dislike about the Mandalorian?

The Mandolorian gets to be really cool for, like, 2 episodes and a chuck of the finale, and then spends the rest of the series constantly getting his butt kicked. Reminds me a lot of goblin slayer, actually, where the slayer got to be really badass in the first episode and then never did anything that cool ever again.

The Mandolorian's face get's shown onscreen. I'm not exactly sold on them inventing this whole "mandolorians never show thier faces to anyone" thing, because every other mandolorian to ever get any decent amount of screen time hasn't followed that rule, but if that's going to be how it is, I'd rather they stick with it the whole way and not let the audience see his face.

Moff Herzog wasn't exactly the best villain ever, but doing a kill and replace switcharoo in the final episode in favor of moff cliche isn't what I'd call an improvement. Andhe fact Moff Cliche survived because no one bothered to check his fighter and make sure he's dead is inexcusable.

Mixed tone on the empire. Having an AT-ST be nearly unstoppable and immune to small arms is a nice way to salvage it's reputation and remind the audience why the empire used it...and then the series goes on to make a bunch of "lol, stormtroopers can't aim" jokes. I'm reminded of that point in episode 6 where that guy was like "I said I was ex-imperial, I wasn't a stormtrooper" when his aim was questioned....that's kinda absurd, like saying "hey, I said I was ex-army, I wasn't an infantrymen".

In general, episode 6 was just kinda....meh. It was painfully cliche and predictable, with the only twist being that the mando didn't kill the rest of his traitorous teammates, instead he just apparently just turned into batman for the last 15 minutes or something.

Yeah, part of why Bounty Hunters were so feared and respected in the EU was because they were capable of tracking down marks without having access to said toys. If anything, the hunters used rumors, networks, and information brokers, which is a far more respectable way of hunting in my opinion. Trackers are so piss-simple, bounty hunters shouldn't exist as it is. They would be a bunch of semi-permanently hired mercenaries, or a special agency with the sole task of hunting said criminals down. No third party needed.

The best theory I've heard on the fobs is that they only work within relatively short proximity, you need to at least be on the same planet as the target before they start working, and that other stuff get used to get you to that point.

Of course, that's just a theory, since the show doesn't explain how they work.
 
The Mandalorian is painfully imperfect as a Star Wars show, but unlike much of the 'Star Wars' material out recently it is a Star Wars show and thus got dogpiled like the only canteen in a desert. Which is incidentally my opinion of Filoni and his works. His stuff is ham-fisted and frequently poorly written and he absolutely has to drag his damn OC everywhere, but he does understand Star Wars and makes Star Wars material and thus the fans love him in this age of ass-backward cash-in drek.

Star Wars has fallen so far that we gush about bad Star Wars material because at least its Star Wars material rather than a pale imitation wrought by people with no interest and no clue as to what made Star Wars so popular in the first place. With the Mandalorian its doubly painful because a few writing tweaks is all it would take to make it a fantastic space western.
 
To throw in my own two cents...

I agree that the Mandalorian is flawed at points and is rather mediocre. I also agree with @f1onagher that the main reason the show is being so welcomed is that its still more 'Star Wars' then anything else Disney has shat out. As for Filoni, I think he's highly overrated and I'm not a fan of his various retcons in the Clone Wars era or his obnoxious tendency to insert Ashoka into everything.

As for some of the criticism people have brought up:

The Fobs:
I'm not the greatest fan of them, but I sort of accept them as a work around to avoid having most of the episode spend on the main character having to go around and investigate or have to question people. Which would soak up a lot of (already limited) screen time, actors and budget that would be better spent elsewhere. That said, I would like if they were a bit better explained or had more limitations.

The Mandolrian's badassery or lack there of:
While I would like to see him be more of a badass, I don't mind him screwing up. As it helps the character feel flawed and human. Which not only makes his victories more rewarding, but keeps the story more interesting to watch. Plus, it allows for potential character and skill growth. Which makes the viewers more invested to see where the character goes.

The Mandalorian Code:
From what we see in the show, I'd argue that it's heavily implied that the Mandalorian's Tribe is some sort of cultural splinter group that's 'gone back to the basics'. Sort of the Mandalorian equivalent to the Puritans.

As for us seeing Mando's face, I don't mind seeing it as it helps reinforce the more down-to-earth treatment of the character and the story in question. As when we first see his face, he's not some immaculate uber-badass. Instead, he's injured, bloodied and has a bad case of hat hair.

Plus, at least we have confirmation that he's a guy which should help avoid any fan-stupidity that he was actually a woman or something else.

The Empire, the Moffs and their treatment in the show:
I completely agree that we could have done without the stupid 'I wasn't a stormtrooper!' joke.

On the other hand, I didn't mind the bit with the Scout troopers and their shit accuracy in the final, as its heavily hinted in that scene as the fault doesn't lie with them, but in their weapons being shit. Though I would have liked to ram that point home further a bit by having one of the Scout troopers groan something like 'Not again. I just fixed this thing!'.

As for why I didn't mind it, I found it to be a genuinely funny moment and a nice bit of world-building that could be used to give insight into Gideon's faction. And how despite being in better shape then the Client's (Herzog's character) faction, they still aren't the old Empire.

As for Moff Gideon, I have mixed feelings. I'd argue that he's intentionally supposed to be acting like the cliche Imperial Moff/Bad guy even within universe. He's supposed to be something of a Tarkin/Vader wannabe as a way of rallying his faction together. On the other hand, I would have liked if his survival at the end of the episode was done better. As @Battlegrinder said, the fact that no one bothered to check up on his crashed TIE to see if he survived is pretty inexcusable.

Episode 6:
Ultimately forgettable, besides getting to see some of the New Republic and the classic X-wings. Which was nice, but doesn't make up for the rest of the episode.

Continuing to build upon the Clone Wars retcons:
Not a fan, but it makes sens within the confines of the Disney 'canon'. At the very least, we can use this to shove TCW into the Disney canon and restore the old Clone Wars Multi-media project to its rightful place, even if its just within the fandom.
 
The Mandolrian's badassery or lack there of:
While I would like to see him be more of a badass, I don't mind him screwing up. As it helps the character feel flawed and human. Which not only makes his victories more rewarding, but keeps the story more interesting to watch. Plus, it allows for potential character and skill growth. Which makes the viewers more invested to see where the character goes.

I wouldn't mind that either, it's just how things are shown that's off. He's borderline unstoppable for the first two episodes, save for that one fight with that desert critter. But he doesn't display that level of performance going foward, it kinda flips around and he switches over to mostly losing with a moment or two of being his episode 2 self here and there.

I'm not bothered about him not being a unstoppable killing machine all the time, that would really boring. But it'd a be lot better if he was more consistent. Which they can clearly do, Cara feels about the same episode to episode, for example.


I'm also not really sold on the "getting more betterer at the punching = character growth" thing. There's plenty of works that have a character start out as being extremely skilled and capable, and stay that way throughout rather than getting stronger as he goes, you can tell a story about a chracter growing and changing without having the outcome of any given fight be totally random.


On the other hand, I didn't mind the bit with the Scout troopers and their shit accuracy in the final, as its heavily hinted in that scene as the fault doesn't lie with them, but in their weapons being shit. Though I would have liked to ram that point home further a bit by having one of the Scout troopers groan something like 'Not again. I just fixed this thing!'.

As for why I didn't mind it, I found it to be a genuinely funny moment and a nice bit of world-building that could be used to give insight into Gideon's faction. And how despite being in better shape then the Client's (Herzog's character) faction, they still aren't the old Empire.

I'm not sure that was the intent or not. It's clearly a valid read on the scene, they'd just sniped Kuiil off his critter, and hitting a moving target while you yourself are moving at high speed is no mean feat, so they're clearly capable marksmen, thus there must be some other reason they suddenly can't hit anything.

Saying that they're great shots but their guns are bad (expect for the guns on their bikes, for some reason) does reconcile those two points, but why introduce that tension in the first place? They had other funny bits in that very scene, this wasn't needed if the goal was to add a bit of levity.

And as for showing they're not the old empire, that would work better if there was any other evidence for it, but there's not. All the other troopers have working guns and shiny clean armor and heavy weapons. Moff Cliche even has a squad of death troopers and some fancy TIE fighter. Showing ranks of troops in pristine armor accompanied by rare special forces is not how you tell the audience that they've fallen on hard times.
 
Recently been in a Star Wars kick. Watched The Last Jedi for the first time, finished the Darth Plagueis audiobook, and partway through Heir to the Empire audiobook.

I can kind of see why Disney foresaw some trouble with marketing Legends based on the Darth Plageuis novel. This book was amazing, but part of it was just hilarious with how many things were clearly tidying up random things EU authors cooked up. "Um, Palpatine was in a market on Dathomir on vacation, and a random woman showed up and gave him a baby, and that is where Darth Maul came from" being the most memorable. And this is from a good Legends novel.

The Force Awakens was pretty meh. I didn't really hate it, maybe because I was pretty spoiled on it, but all of the plot that wasn't following Rey was really hard for me to follow. I really liked the visual design, and think with a good script there would be a lot more praise for it. BB-8 in particular is memorable as a thing I wish was introduced in a better movie.
 
I can kind of see why Disney foresaw some trouble with marketing Legends based on the Darth Plageuis novel. This book was amazing, but part of it was just hilarious with how many things were clearly tidying up random things EU authors cooked up. "Um, Palpatine was in a market on Dathomir on vacation, and a random woman showed up and gave him a baby, and that is where Darth Maul came from" being the most memorable. And this is from a good Legends novel.

1) It was Sidious who was given baby Maul in that scene, not Plagueis. Plagueis has relatively little to do with Maul, and outright dismissed him as a moderately useful thug.

2) That entire retcon was stupid, but it wouldn't have needed to be there at all if The Most Overrated Man in Star Wars hadn't decided to shoot the entire existing canon for Dathomir in the head and bury it in his yard. Blame that scavenger Filoni for fucking up, not Luceno for trying to fix it.

3) What I'm trying to say is, all the Dathomir stuff the shitty Clone Wars cartoon introduced is garbage and shouldn't be even considered as part of the non-Disney canon. The entire show, really, should never have been made. If you want good EU Clone Wars content, check out Shatterpoint, Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, or Labyrinth of Evil.
 
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1) It was Sidious who was given baby Maul in that scene, not Plagueis. Plagueis has relatively little to do with Maul, and outright dismissed him as a moderately useful thug.

2) That entire retcon was stupid, but it wouldn't have needed to be there at all if The Most Overrated Man in Star Wars hadn't decided to shoot the entire existing canon for Dathomir in the head and bury it in his yard. Blame that scavenger Filoni for fucking up, not Luceno for trying to fix it.

3) What I'm trying to say is, all the Dathomir stuff the shitty Clone Wars cartoon introduced is garbage and shouldn't be even considered as part of the non-Disney canon. The entire show, really, should never have been made. If you want good EU Clone Wars content, check out Shatterpoint, Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, or Labyrinth of Evil.

I didn't say it was Plageuis who got Maul. I said it was Palpatine, in the Darth Plagueis novel (titled after Plagueis, tied between Sidious and Plagueis for time on screen I think).

I think I may have confused you. I said it was a good novel that was clearly tidying up things from all across the EU and trying to make it work, and it was a good novel. I was saying that ditching the idea of the consistent Legends canon becomes really sympathetic when you see a good novel having to deal with fucking bizarre plot points because the continuity is to weird.

Like, I'm imagining James Luceno writing his own fanfic based on the movies, and having no knowledge of Legends, based on the idea of the Tragedy of Darth Plageuis. It might not have been a better novel, as restrictions provide creativity and he had a lot of inspiration out there, but he was clearly weighed down by such a weight of continuity.

Expansive continuity stories can be amazing; I like Grant Morrison's comics, Neil Gaiman wrote some great episodes of Doctor Who. But it is really easy to see why intelligent people thought "yeah, we gotta ditch all of this" when taking over the franchise.
 
I have no frame of reference for this beyond Eckharts Ladder videos today and yesterday but apparently Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes is some sort of pay-to-win "free" mobile game that people apparently play and enjoy and has a very active community including popular content creators. But the makers of this particular Star Wars game, Capital Games, are apparently utter dicks to their fanbase and content creators and permabanned several of them for nebulous reasons.

Apparently this is causing much consternation in their much fleeced community.





Each of the videos is pretty long but might be nice as background listening (I skipped the interview with one of the affected creators in the first video as well :p ) but it seems more like a greedy and inattentive games company as opposed to excessive social justicing in this case.
 
I play the game. Yeah they are pretty awful at interacting with their content creators and player base.

They just dumped on one of the main YouTube guys and its made quite a mess.

Probably going to cause a lot of people to bail on them unless they do something to fix it, but again, utter garbage at community relations.
 
We dodged a bullet:

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Disgusting.

Star Wars galaxy in the sequel is for all intents and purposes a dead galaxy. Matches the dead hearts of these cultural vandals.

Looking at Disney Wars ... it's very telling as to what they were thinking on a subconscious level that their hero is a scavenger and their settings are basically the ruins of the OT.
 
I almost wish we got that version. RoS was an absolute clusterfuck already, so the version with maximum WHY would honestly be the most entertaining. Just watching it and trying to figure out what they even thought they were trying to do would have been excellent.
 

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