I contest that one as a matter of personal opinion and beliefs.The only real bad times were Pius Dea period (1000 years),
I contest that one as a matter of personal opinion and beliefs.The only real bad times were Pius Dea period (1000 years),
I contest that one as a matter of personal opinion and beliefs.
I quite agree. Of course, it should be noted that the "hollowing-out" of the Old Republic was the product of a centuries-long effort by what we might call a "satanic" cabal of evil wizards. I mean... how would any government stand against that? (For instance, in the hypothetical event that the Republic's government had been stronger, the Sith would just have co-opted it and gradually morphed it into a tyranny. They'd have been done much sooner! But because the Republic was so opposed to central power, they had to corrupt and twist it slowly, over centuries, before it ultimately became weak enough to... devour.)The biggest issue with the republic at least by the end was the fact that the Republic Didn't have a military and all attempts for systems to create their own local armies was squashed by Corporations. In the days where the Old Republic had an army, (men and women so tough the clones would have been proud to fight along side them) and/or when the Jedi allowed their master's to rule over planets as Lords (...) criminal and corrupt orginizations like the Hutts and Czertek were still around but they didn't have the Republic over a barrel like we see in the Twilight of The Republic.
Absolutely agreed. Anakin in the setting of Knight Errant would be like a glorious succession of awesome triumphs for him. He was made for that kind of scenario.Part of what makes Anakin so tragic is that had he been taken in by the Jedi at just about any other time period, he would have flourished and could have easily become a legendary hero that could have founded a powerful and renowned dynasty that could have had influence over the Republic for thousands of years (and to be fair the House Skywalker was a very powerful and influential house in the Post-Imperial era) Anakin was sadly just born at the wrong time.
Well, they were going all "exterminate those non-humans over there!", and that clearly wasn't justified in SW. Unlike in, say, 40K, where it's a pretty reasonable position...I contest that one as a matter of personal opinion and beliefs.
I quite agree. Of course, it should be noted that the "hollowing-out" of the Old Republic was the product of a centuries-long effort by what we might call a "satanic" cabal of evil wizards. I mean... how would any government stand against that? (For instance, in the hypothetical event that the Republic's government had been stronger, the Sith would just have co-opted it and gradually morphed it into a tyranny. They'd have been done much sooner! But because the Republic was so opposed to central power, they had to corrupt and twist it slowly, over centuries, before it ultimately became weak enough to... devour.)
Bane really was an evil genius
The Mandalorian Wars was when the seeds of the Republic's fall started to be planted, but to be fair, it was the worst war the Republic had fought up to that point and such a destructive war would not be seen again till the Clone Wars. The Republic was desperate to get life back as normal and they started making certain compromises to get certain results, and the Jedi restricted their Code even further to try and keep Jedi from turning and becoming like Revan. Obviously, in hindsight, these were bad decisions that spelled their doom, but you could see the reasoning at the time.
Absolutely agreed. Anakin in the setting of Knight Errant would be like a glorious succession of awesome triumphs for him. He was made for that kind of scenario.
I mean I’d argue that’s because we only see the bad times because peace and harmony are boring and because 25,000 years is way too long for people to really take seriously. Mind you, if you manage to last a thousand years that the Russan Republic did, your still very hot shit, but I can see why people make the mistake.People bitching about the Old Republic completely lack any and all perspective. They paste the most outlying bad times and the exesses of the Republic's literal dying days onto all of its history, and dumbly pretend as if that's fair accounting
A funny thing to consider: far from being a failure, the Old Republic is so ludicrously successful that it strains belief. Even I, an ardent supporter of decentralism, cannot ascribe to it the overly abundant victories that SW ascribes to it. Rather, I think that decentralism like that would wotk for -- say -- a thousand years at a time, gradually calcifying into the kind of situation we see in TPM, followed by a substantially shorter bout of centralist depotism that causes enormous bloodshed and suffering... which then turns people off that kind of thing, and makes them yearn for decentralism again... so that it comes back triumphantly, for the next thousand-year round.and because 25,000 years is way too long for people to really take seriously
I think that's probably right, on the grounds that it set up the Republic's (very slow) self-termination in the same way that the "golden liberty" and its liberum veto set up the downfall of the vaunted Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. We shouldn't inore, however, the role of the Sith in the Republic's decay. Without them, it would have taken much longer for the Republic to stagnate like that.Essentially, the Ruusan reformation was the longest suicide pact in history.
Kind of why Mon Mothma was the absolute worst person to head the New Republic Government. She was part of the problem in the Old Republic. And brought those flawed ideas forward to be the core of the New Republic. In fact all of the New Republic leadership were Idolistic hacks. If more of the common people from the Outer Rim had a say in things during the foundation of the New Republic. The old ideas could have been done away with.The Old Republic and the New Republic's ultimate downfalls were down to a lack of a large, professional military that could police and defend the galactic order. The whole shit shows with CIS and the First Order would not have happened if the Republic Navy was big enough to effortlessly remind them who was boss from time to time.
Also, professional citizen soldiers who don't have control chips in their brains won't turn on their generals on a whim, nor completely submit to the sudden appearance of a tyrant...
Essentially, the Ruusan reformation was the longest suicide pact in history.
Yes, the Denningverse was a disaster. Darth Caedus was an insane reversal of Jacen's whole arc, and the set-up for it ("Vergere was a Sith, ackshually!!!") completely missed the point that Stover was making with that character. The Dark Nest bullshit was already very off-putting, but it only got worse and worse from there.I know I'm going to get flack by a lot of people, but I didn't like Darth Cadeous, it really did seem like someone was trying to make a Vader copy OC that was " like Vader but bigger badder edgier and more extreme!" And yet despite doing something's so extreme even Vader would give a Leia type speech about "tighten your grip too much and the whole galaxy will slip through your fingers," he's still supposed to be the antihero that is justified because plot.
At the point they introduced "The Mother" Abiloth IE "What if Neil Gaman wrote a Star Wars book?" I knew the well had officially run dry and keep in mind for me star wars is like DnD it's a feat to definitely NOT star wars. As bad as the sequel Trilogy was, the EU was getting run into the ground by the time Disney bought Star Wars. The authors really needed to take a tip from TOR.
More precisely, the Liberum Veto was an effect of the failing PLC rather than really the cause of its collapse, just as the Reformation was for the republic. LV itself was not a problem for long, in fact the famous period of anarchy as far as passing laws was concerned was short and concerned the second half of the reign of August II and his son August III and even then both kings were able to rule through the Senate bypassing the Sejm."golden liberty" and its liberum veto set up the downfall of the vaunted Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
As much as possible, without knowingly spoiling the Republic/Commowealth by the forces of evil Sith/Prussia*.We shouldn't inore, however, the role of the Sith in the Republic's decay.
Yes, the Denningverse was a disaster. Darth Caedus was an insane reversal of Jacen's whole arc, and the set-up for it ("Vergere was a Sith, ackshually!!!") completely missed the point that Stover was making with that character. The Dark Nest bullshit was already very off-putting, but it only got worse and worse from there.
I know some people don't like NJO, either, and that's their right, but at least it had some fantastic high points, and a well-rafted conclusion. I always tell people to definitely stop reading when they're done with The Unifying Force.
This would be the best and simplest solution for Disney, you are very far from the canon so you can write what you want and no one can attach, ba you can even make yourself an old trilogy 2.0 change here and there. Then you sell it as, the cycle repeats itself again, the old problem we already have, will the new characters fix it like the old ones again?If you are going to do Skywalker stories have it revolve around Skywalkers hundreds if not thousands of years later. That way you have essentially a blank canvas to do what you want without things going turning fanfic.
The only thing good even in comparison about Denningsverse is that you had a far more competnent and menacing villian in evil Jacen. Otherwise? total shit. I want to say again, dont turn skywalkers evil. Allow Luke and Leia to be good parents and die happy for the love of god. Also, no suffering porn, (like almost not metaphorical here).Honestly I developed a new love and appreciation for the Legacy of the Force timeline and I wish Disney had done something akin to it
If you are going to do Skywalker stories have it revolve around Skywalkers hundreds if not thousands of years later. That way you have essentially a blank canvas to do what you want without things going turning fanfic.
The only thing good even in comparison about Denningsverse is that you had a far more competent and menacing villian in evil Jacen. Otherwise? total shit. I want to say again, dont turn skywalkers evil. Allow Luke and Leia to be good parents and die happy for the love of god. Also, no suffering porn, (like almost not metaphorical here).
I don't know about the Disney continuity, but in the original EU, the New Republic literally addressed all the issues that had beset the Old Republic in its terminal stage.
The original EU New Republic also repeated the error of the Old Republic in eliminating a strong central military capable of handling galactic-scale crises and then doubled down on it by adopting the utterly ludicrous doctrine that any warship substantially larger and more powerful than the common Imperial Star Destroyer (i.e. every single true capital warship) was fundamentally immoral and should not be allowed to exist.
Stupid thing is, there was a class of vessel that suited the New Republic's needs perfectly in this regard, as a ship of war and policing that wasn't too big. It was, militarily speaking, something the Old Republic got completely right, and Tarkin was a literal galaxy brain to get rid of them.
going to need a source on that one.The original EU New Republic also repeated the error of the Old Republic in eliminating a strong central military capable of handling galactic-scale crises and then doubled down on it by adopting the utterly ludicrous doctrine that any warship substantially larger and more powerful than the common Imperial Star Destroyer (i.e. every single true capital warship) was fundamentally immoral and should not be allowed to exist.
The original EU New Republic also suffered greatly from the out-of-character desire to keep writing what were fundamentally Rebel Alliance stories about a small band of familiar heroes saving the day against all odds, something that required that the New Republic constantly grab all the idiot balls in order to explain away the entire existence of the large-scale New Republic military.