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[ShadowArxxy]

The reason groups of nerds do better at than the people actually getting paid to do it comes down to the fact that they actually care about it, whereas the people getting paid to do it don't, beyond the fact they are getting paid, and perhaps the woke ones feeling good about spreading the "message."

I think people get a HUGE amount of rose-colored glasses about how incredibly shitty most of the Star Wars EU content was, and this is exactly why. It's also specifically why -- as I've criticized before -- there was very rarely any coherent worldbuilding or coherent advancement of the overall plot and state of the galaxy, just blandly formulaic stories about the same handful of Rebel characters saving the day again and again from crisis-of-the-day.

(Never mind that they were supposedly the recognized government of the "majority" of the galaxy throughout most of the EU. No fleets or armies for you, New Republic!)

 

[Knowledgeispower]

I think people get a HUGE amount of rose-colored glasses about how incredibly shitty most of the Star Wars EU content was, and this is exactly why. It's also specifically why -- as I've criticized before -- there was very rarely any coherent worldbuilding or coherent advancement of the overall plot and state of the galaxy, just blandly formulaic stories about the same handful of Rebel characters saving the day again and again from crisis-of-the-day.

(Never mind that they were supposedly the recognized government of the "majority" of the galaxy throughout most of the EU. No fleets or armies for you, New Republic!)

I did love the few stories where that very much wasn't the case or had a decent explanation why it didn't apply.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

I would also point out that while switching directors is one of the biggest criticisms for the sequel trilogy, the original trilogy actually did switch directors for every single movie, and made it work. A New Hope was directed by George Lucas, The Empire Strikes Back was directed by Irvin Kershner, and Return of the Jedi was directed by Richard Marquand, with Lucas serving as executive producer and co-storywriter (but not scriptwriter) on the latter two.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I would also point out that while switching directors is one of the biggest criticisms for the sequel trilogy, the original trilogy actually did switch directors for every single movie, and made it work. A New Hope was directed by George Lucas, The Empire Strikes Back was directed by Irvin Kershner, and Return of the Jedi was directed by Richard Marquand, with Lucas serving as executive producer and co-storywriter (but not scriptwriter) on the latter two.

That explains why the Original Trilogy makes as little sense storyline wise as the Sequel Trilogy.

Oh wait...

CLEARLY not all Directors are made equal in this case.

 

[LindyAF]

I think people get a HUGE amount of rose-colored glasses about how incredibly shitty most of the Star Wars EU content was, and this is exactly why. It's also specifically why -- as I've criticized before -- there was very rarely any coherent worldbuilding or coherent advancement of the overall plot and state of the galaxy, just blandly formulaic stories about the same handful of Rebel characters saving the day again and again from crisis-of-the-day.

(Never mind that they were supposedly the recognized government of the "majority" of the galaxy throughout most of the EU. No fleets or armies for you, New Republic!)

Definitely agree here. A lot of the EU is garbage.

IMO people are also tending to get rose-colored glasses with respect to the prequels as well. I'm not sure the prequels are any better than the sequels. Although the prequels did start terribly and end on a more mediocre note, whereas the sequels started on a mediocre note and ended terribly.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

A Lot of the EU is garbage is very true.

You don't see people talking about how good the garbage parts were though.

 

[BlackDragon98]

A Lot of the EU is garbage is very true.

You don't see people talking about how good the garbage parts were though.

The Dark Horse comics were generally pretty good and the writers were pretty consistent.

They tended to tie storylines together instead of focusing solely on character development.

 

[LindyAF]

A Lot of the EU is garbage is very true.

You don't see people talking about how good the garbage parts were though.

IMO the standard of quality for franchise fiction is lower than the average of what's read, so even great franchise fiction is typically on par with good original fiction, decent stuff would be considered only okay elsewhere, etc.

Although, in fairness, I probably have jade-colored glasses with respect to the EU because my first interaction with it was reading a copy of The Glove of Darth Vader at my grandparents place.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Its important to note when regarding the EU and comparing it to Disney Canon yuge numbers of people aren't clamoring for the Callista trilogy or Darksaber to be compared to Disney Canon.

They're talking about the Thrawn trilogy or their favorite Kyle Katarn games or maybe Stackpoles Rogue Squadron books or something.

It's like not everyone is madly in love with the high quality of the first season of TNG or Babylon 5.

 

[Zachowon]

Its important to note when regarding the EU and comparing it to Disney Canon yuge numbers of people aren't clamoring for the Callista trilogy or Darksaber to be compared to Disney Canon.

They're talking about the Thrawn trilogy or their favorite Kyle Katarn games or maybe Stackpoles Rogue Squadron books or something.

It's like not everyone is madly in love with the high quality of the first season of TNG or Babylon 5.

Because, they compare it to the best, never the worst. Because Legends has had MUCH worse then the new Canon. Sure the new Canon has some horrible stories, some even down right disgusting, but they always seem to Pearl clutch that NOTHING IN LEGENDS WAS THIS BAD!
When it is far from the truth.

 

[Husky_Khan]

There is no inconsistency in Disney Canon...

Now imagine how the Battle of Scarif would've ended if that Rebel Transport that crashed and exploded against the Devastators shield instead hyperspace rammed Darth Vaders flagship and utterly destroyed the vessel.

 

[Bacle]

Its important to note when regarding the EU and comparing it to Disney Canon yuge numbers of people aren't clamoring for the Callista trilogy or Darksaber to be compared to Disney Canon.

They're talking about the Thrawn trilogy or their favorite Kyle Katarn games or maybe Stackpoles Rogue Squadron books or something.

It's like not everyone is madly in love with the high quality of the first season of TNG or Babylon 5.

Speak for yourself; the Castilla stuff and Darksaber were awesome. The questions about 'what is sentience/how the Force works with droids/attempted consciousness transfers' from Children of the Jedi are some profound questions about the limits and true nature of the Force.

Shit, I wouldn't even mind if we got the Crystal Star stuff and Waru back, fuck, even Abeloth would be...'fun' for the Disney people to try to adapt into something PG-13 at most.

 

[Zachowon]

There is no inconsistency in Disney Canon...

Now imagine how the Battle of Scarif would've ended if that Rebel Transport that crashed and exploded against the Devastators shield instead hyperspace rammed Darth Vaders flagship and utterly destroyed the vessel.

Ah you see, this was explained in the novelization.
The ship they used has Special shields that allowed the ship to stay intact longer then normal and basically made it a space shotgun.
The rebel transport would also be to small, and they didnt know the ship was coming until to late

 

[LindyAF]

Ah you see, this was explained in the novelization.
The ship they used has Special shields that allowed the ship to stay intact longer then normal and basically made it a space shotgun.
The rebel transport would also be to small, and they didnt know the ship was coming until to late

"It was explained in the novelization" is cope tbh.

For 95% of people Star Wars is the movies. If it "makes sense" if I stumble across the right forgotten tome in an abandoned subbasement with a sign on the door saying "beware of leopard" then it doesn't make sense.

 

[Zachowon]

"It was explained in the novelization" is cope tbh.

For 95% of people Star Wars is the movies. If it "makes sense" if I stumble across the right forgotten tome in an abandoned subbasement with a sign on the door saying "beware of leopard" then it doesn't make sense.

Ah.
So anything in the OT or PT series that was never stated or said in the movies and only on the novelization should also be discarded. Did they ever explain why the SSD crashed into the Death Star 2? Ever explain why it took a A wing crahing into tje command bridge to kill it? How Y wings managed to destroy shield generators?

 

[BlackDragon98]

Ah you see, this was explained in the novelization.
The ship they used has Special shields that allowed the ship to stay intact longer then normal and basically made it a space shotgun.
The rebel transport would also be to small, and they didnt know the ship was coming until to late

You know you've screwed up the movie so badly when you have to explain your way out through the novelization.

The Disney canon for the most part are excellent "commercial products" but they are horrible pieces of art.

Face it everyone, Star Wars is nothing but another corporate cash cow.

They'll just keep churning out commercial product after commercial product.

 

[Zachowon]

You know you've screwed up the movie so badly when you have to explain your way out through the novelization.

The Disney canon for the most part are excellent "commercial products" but they are horrible pieces of art.

Face it everyone, Star Wars is nothing but another corporate cash cow.

They'll just keep churning out commercial product after commercial product.

I mean.
Nit really.
They are being smart on what they release now.
MCU is more of a commercial product then SW

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I don't know. They're giving us two different spinoff series at the least.

I believe the plan was for another 2 or 3 solo movies (not Solo movies).

 

[Zachowon]

I think thier plans changed because of the hate.
Then again we got Mando series which is damn near universally praised.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

Here's the central problem with the Holdo Manuever.

You can do it with an X-Wing, it has shields, and a hyperspace drive and can be piloted by a droid.

Guess what that means? No naval battle in Star Wars makes sense anymore because the logical path is Hyperspace Impactors as the only weapons anyone should ever use. The Holdo Maneuver's mere existence invalidates the Death Star, and every ship not a freighter/transport larger than absolutely required to have a hyperspace drive, shields, and navigation. Which means absolutely nothing should be bigger than an X-Wing.