Spartan-117/S-II vs. Alien Queen

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Posted this on FiC and only got one replier, might get more attention here

Trying to start a topic on something other than politics. IMO this would be a pretty even fight but I want to see what everyone else thinks.

Round 1: Master Chief and the Queen are aware of each other, know about each other, and Master Chief is armed.
Round 2: Master Chief is aware of the Queen but must find and acquire weapons
Round 3: Master Chief is unaware of a Queen nearby
Round 4: Master Chief is aware of a Queen nearby, but he is unarmed and she has drones to assist her (50-100).
Round 5: Master Chief has marines to assist him, the Alien Queen has drones to assist her, they are both aware and prepared for each other.

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(Also, let's try to have a debate that respects both characters, nothing like "Oh MaStEr ChIeF iS So sTuPiD hE gOt TrIcKeD iNtO aLmOsT bLoWiNg Up ThE uNiVeRsE LoL")

 

[Agent23]

Chief has taken out bigger a d nastier crap than a Xenomorph auren, IMHO, and I wonder how well the acid will go through his sheilds and aemor.

Probably better than what the people fighting her have in canon, which is military tank tops IIRC.

The one problem would be a scenario where he is unarmed, but otherwise I think he can take her.
It will be hard, but certainly not impossible.

 

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Chief has taken out bigger a d nastier crap than a Xenomorph auren, IMHO, and I wonder how well the acid will go through his sheilds and aemor.

Probably better than what the people fighting her have in canon, which is military tank tops IIRC.

The one problem would be a scenario where he is unarmed, but otherwise I think he can take her.
It will be hard, but certainly not impossible.

That's basically my take, dunno about "nastier" but I think he can win most rounds by taking off an HAVOK nuking the site from orbit (it's the only way to be sure ) I think he could probably take a regular xenomorph in H2H, he'd probably have similar problems to engaging sangheili and jiralhanae in H2H, since xenomorphs and predators and the elites and brutes are all roughly of the same physique (sangheili in particular were based off of xenomorphs and predators overall so I think they're fairly comparable) Trying to engage in Alien Queen in H2H would be borderline suicide and I think it'd be in-character for the Chief to avoid that scenario at all costs.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

It depends on the Queen we're talking about.
The Aliens Queen was around 15 feet tall and pretty clumsy, it actually is pretty fitting because she's a big egglayer, not a soldier.
The AVP Queen was ballooned up to 25 feet and made much more threatening.

Various game/comic Queens are even larger and stronger, to the point that entire teams of Predators can fail against them, I am not sure if Chief can kill one of the bigger ones.

Xenomorph acid is 100% going to melt through his armor, titanium (magic titanium-a or not) isn't going to hold up against it.

 

[Agent23]

It depends on the Queen we're talking about.
The Aliens Queen was around 15 feet tall and pretty clumsy, it actually is pretty fitting because she's a big egglayer, not a soldier.
The AVP Queen was ballooned up to 25 feet and made much more threatening.

Various game/comic Queens are even larger and stronger, to the point that entire teams of Predators can fail against them, I am not sure if Chief can kill one of the bigger ones.

Xenomorph acid is 100% going to melt through his armor, titanium (magic titanium-a or not) isn't going to hold up against it.

Didn't his armor survive reentry through Earth's atmosphere?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Didn't his armor survive reentry through Earth's atmosphere?

Heat and acid work differently, something that melts from heat might be basically acid-proof (like...Glass?), while something that might be really resistant to heat might dissolve in sci-fi acid like it was hot butter.
Xenomorph 'acid' works more like an anti-everything enzyme, which is not at all how acid actually works, but it's a fun 80's film franchise.
Canonically only a couple of things resists the acid, 'Apesuit' armor and predator metal.

 

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Heat and acid work differently, something that melts from heat might be basically acid-proof (like...Glass?), while something that might be really resistant to heat might dissolve in sci-fi acid like it was hot butter.
Xenomorph 'acid' works more like an anti-everything enzyme, which is not at all how acid actually works, but it's a fun 80's film franchise.
Canonically only a couple of things resists the acid, 'Apesuit' armor and predator metal.

I was being really mean to Master Chief by throwing in that unarmed round lol

 

[Agent23]

Heat and acid work differently, something that melts from heat might be basically acid-proof (like...Glass?), while something that might be really resistant to heat might dissolve in sci-fi acid like it was hot butter.
Xenomorph 'acid' works more like an anti-everything enzyme, which is not at all how acid actually works, but it's a fun 80's film franchise.
Canonically only a couple of things resists the acid, 'Apesuit' armor and predator metal.

Yeah, unless there is a negative feat saying that his armor is not the product of super duper advwned materials science but somehow can be damaged by acids then I beg to differ.
We have seen it surpass all modern materials in durability and dps reflection/absorption.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Yeah, unless there is a negative feat saying that his armor is not the product of super duper advwned materials science but somehow can be damaged by acids then I beg to differ.
We have seen it surpass all modern materials in durability and dps reflection/absorption.

My dude Titanium-A ranges from absolute styrofoam wizardry to 'basically IRL titanium' depending on the source in question, if a single incision on a facehugger can eat it's way through the Nostromo, a full-blown Queen's blood should be able to melt Chief ten times over.
Chief's armor has never demonstrated acid resistance, and regular titanium is not particularly resistant to acids, let alone fictional magic alien acid.

 

[Agent23]

My dude Titanium-A ranges from absolute styrofoam wizardry to 'basically IRL titanium' depending on the source in question, if a single incision on a facehugger can eat it's way through the Nostromo, a full-blown Queen's blood should be able to melt Chief ten times over.
Chief's armor has never demonstrated acid resistance, and regular titanium is not particularly resistant to acids, let alone fictional magic alien acid.

But it is not regular titanium.

It is some weirdo technobabel material.
Like Wars plasteel and "neutronium"

 

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But it is not regular titanium.

It is some weirdo technobabel material.
Like Wars plasteel and "neutronium"

The variant the UNSC uses is Titanium-A, and that's usually only on starships, and they are mentioned as " fitted with thermal superconducting elements to help strengthen against energy weapon impacts." Not technobabble, Halo has pretty detailed explanations behind much of its lore.

Titanium-A armor

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[ThatZenoGuy]

But it is not regular titanium.

It is some weirdo technobabel material.
Like Wars plasteel and "neutronium"

Its regular titanium put through a magic process to strengthen it on a molecular level.
Seeing as Xenomorph acid is basically not stopped by any terrestrial material, I doubt Mjolnir can stop it either.
My big halo nerd friend also told me it'd dissolve Titanium A and he is the sort of guy who autistically squeals when people mention Chakas.

 

[Spartan303]

I haven't seen anything in Aliens yet that could really threaten Chief. His combat performance vastly outstrips anything in the setting by a HUGE margin. Even the inferior TV show has great showings of this. Is the Chiefs armor immune to molecular acid damage? No. Will it be somewhat resistant? Yes, I believe so. And apparently shields do NOT protect against blood splatter. So...not sure how that's gonna work for the Chief. His weapons are sufficient for the job but if he got ahold of some Colonial Marine Weapons he'd do great.

 

[RenegadeInterrupt]

I haven't seen anything in Aliens yet that could really threaten Chief.

I think if he keeps his distance he'll survive, since tight quarters, claustrophobic spaces and up-close-and-personal are where the xenomorphs thrive. Hopefully he keeps an eye on his motion tracker since the ones in MJOLNIR don't make sounds when nearby hostiles.

Also something to keep in mind, John-117 hasn't fought anything quite like the xenomorph in the Halo universe, the closest we get to fighting something like that is the Guta, and we only face them as Noble Six.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I haven't seen anything in Aliens yet that could really threaten Chief.

Your most regular Xenomorph can punch through armored quartz APC glass visors like it was nothing, and with enough time punch/claw through two inch thick pressure doors.

The Queen is tens of times heavier and is usually depicted as being disproportionally stronger for her size.

If a Brute can punch Chief to death, a Queen can do so easier.

 

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Your most regular Xenomorph can punch through armored quartz APC glass visors like it was nothing, and with enough time punch/claw through two inch thick pressure doors.

The Queen is tens of times heavier and is usually depicted as being disproportionally stronger for her size.

If a Brute can punch Chief to death, a Queen can do so easier.

Not to mention we have a pretty good example of Master Chief's physical limits in the following video where he gets manhandled by Atriox. Atriox being essentially a Brute's version of a SPARTAN, is many times stronger than a typical jiralhanae, so we can get a pretty good idea of how Master Chief would stack up in hand-to-hand combat against a Queen Alien:

It helps me to imagine a Queen using her tail as a whip as opposed to Atriox using his cudgel, and in AVP a Queen sends a 520-pound heavily-armored Predator flying

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

One thing to note as well, is that Queens range all over the place in durability but generally they're depicted as being nigh-invulnerable to handheld weaponry outside of rocket launchers and the like. Predator supertech being needed to put them down for the most part.
That removes a fair amount of Chief's weaponry from the equation, but he has some weapons like the Spartan Laser which should be able to 1 hit KO any Queen.

 

[RenegadeInterrupt]

One thing to note as well, is that Queens range all over the place in durability but generally they're depicted as being nigh-invulnerable to handheld weaponry outside of rocket launchers and the like. Predator supertech being needed to put them down for the most part.
That removes a fair amount of Chief's weaponry from the equation, but he has some weapons like the Spartan Laser which should be able to 1 hit KO any Queen.

Oh yeah the Splasor is insane, it would slice right through her. Also as @Spartan303 mentioned earlier if he gets his hands on an M41A Pulse Rifle, those have been shown to be effective at neutralizing xenomorphs, although it would be a challenge against a queen, I think he can pull it off if he gets a hold of some plasma grenades to go with it. He'd probably be more likely to find a vehicle of some sort or take off and HAVOK nuke the site from orbit though, I feel like he'd come to the exact same conclusion as Ellen Ripley in Aliens. They are very similar people and probably have similar thought processes.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Oh yeah the Splasor is insane, it would slice right through her. Also as @Spartan303 mentioned earlier if he gets his hands on an M41A Pulse Rifle, those have been shown to be effective at neutralizing xenomorphs, although it would be a challenge against a queen, I think he can pull it off if he gets a hold of some plasma grenades to go with it. He'd probably be more likely to find a vehicle of some sort or take off and HAVOK nuke the site from orbit though, I feel like he'd come to the exact same conclusion as Ellen Ripley in Aliens. They are very similar people and probably have similar thought processes.

M41A pulse rifles are generally depicted as making Drones/Soldiers explode violently with bursts, but do minimal to no damage to the Queen.
Aliens has quite a few canon weapons that'd kill a Queen, but we're talking about giant sniper rifles and rocket launchers, of which Chief already has access to.

 

[RenegadeInterrupt]

M41A pulse rifles are generally depicted as making Drones/Soldiers explode violently with bursts, but do minimal to no damage to the Queen.
Aliens has quite a few canon weapons that'd kill a Queen, but we're talking about giant sniper rifles and rocket launchers, of which Chief already has access to.

Also I just remembered that Ripley tried using grenades on the queen in Aliens, and all it did was piss her off and make her detach herself from her egg sack, so grenades might not be the best idea against a queen. Lol